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[M Hedonist]

SackofCat wrote...

With all of this in mind, why would the series end with the reconstruction of the means by which the reapers dominated the species of the galaxy? Also, why end the series with a failed test?

Do you really expect to get logical answers for that?

[Seival]

SackofCat wrote...

While it may be a bit contrived, nobody knows or have studied the relays in much detail and no one proposes attempting to building relays in the whole series other than Matriarch Aethyta.

Several important characters (and there were only a few that knew about the reapers) talked about the importance of species developing technology naturally. Legion also implies that accepting technology that was not developed by you blinds you to alternative technological advancement. The the Vigil and the reapers confirmed that the mass relays were a trap, a form of control that the reapers exerted on the galaxy to reinforce their cycle (I can only assume FTL drives are simple enough that following a discovery of element zero, any race would be able to figure out how to build them).

It can even be argued that the consequence of accepting and using the mass relays has been a minor theme.

With all of this in mind, why would the series end with the reconstruction of the means by which the reapers dominated the species of the galaxy? Also, why end the series with a failed test?

Yes, the Relays were a part of a giant trap. But I believe that it doesn't mean there are other ways for travel between clusters that fast. I think that in ME universe even natural way of tech development will just lead to inventing the Mass Relays. With still no other way to travel between clasters that fast.

If there were other ways, then the Reapers could just turn all Relays off in each harvest: lesser races left splitted, while Reapers use all advantages of free and almost instant travel... Well, and Mass Relays Network is one of the things that make ME Universe so special

Modifié par Seival, 12 juin 2012 - 09:30 .

[Archontor]

Hang on even if the test works the Normandy crew will be stuck far from Earth/Thessia/Palaven etc unless someone went through and placed/ reconstructed a mass relay on the other side, but if that's the case why not just have that ship try to get back to earth via mass relay which would be much more efficient and risk less lives.

So suck on that.

[Seival]

Archontor wrote...

Hang on even if the test works the Normandy crew will be stuck far from Earth/Thessia/Palaven etc unless someone went through and placed/ reconstructed a mass relay on the other side, but if that's the case why not just have that ship try to get back to earth via mass relay which would be much more efficient and risk less lives.

So suck on that.

As I already said: the jump is possible only between two working relays. Which means relay on the other side was also reconstructed. Which means there are enough men, ships and resources on the other side to resque the Normandy and its crew.

[JamieCOTC]

While I don't completely buy the indoctrination theory, I do firmly believe the Normandy crash is a dream or hallucination. No matter how possible it may be to actually happen, Joker would not leave Shepard without a good reason which is exactly what happens in the game, i. e. it isn't real. Either that or BW f**cked up hard.

[Memnon]

Why would Javik take part in a test flight years later? With Shepard gone and the Reapers ... uh whatever they are, he would probably want to die alone somewhere. And why in the world would the explosion be the same color as the Synthesis/Control/Destroy option?

[Seival]

Stornskar wrote...

Why would Javik take part in a test flight years later? With Shepard gone and the Reapers ... uh whatever they are, he would probably want to die alone somewhere. And why in the world would the explosion be the same color as the Synthesis/Control/Destroy option?

Those questions were already answered:

 - Javik could change his mind about the suicide.
 - Shockwave color could be some long-term post-effect of Crucuble's explosion.

Modifié par Seival, 13 juin 2012 - 08:31 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

Stornskar wrote...

Why would Javik take part in a test flight years later? With Shepard gone and the Reapers ... uh whatever they are, he would probably want to die alone somewhere. And why in the world would the explosion be the same color as the Synthesis/Control/Destroy option?

Those questions were already answered:

 - Javik could change his mind about the suicide.
 - Shockwave color could be some long-term post-effect of Crucuble's explosion.

Remember everyone, both are just assumptions with literally no basis in fact. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 13 juin 2012 - 08:34 .

[Erield]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

Stornskar wrote...

Why would Javik take part in a test flight years later? With Shepard gone and the Reapers ... uh whatever they are, he would probably want to die alone somewhere. And why in the world would the explosion be the same color as the Synthesis/Control/Destroy option?

Those questions were already answered:

 - Javik could change his mind about the suicide.
 - Shockwave color could be some long-term post-effect of Crucuble's explosion.

Remember everyone, both are just assumptions with literally no basis in fact. 

I prefer to assume that the long-term post-effect of the Crucible's explosion is that trillions of millimeter-long Reapers are responsible for pulling ships through the reconstructed Mass Relays.  They're also responsible for the color, because they like pretty things.

Also, it's obviously not Javik, but Javik's clone.  The Asari on the Citadel touched him when he visited, and stored his DNA in her brain; she then used that later to create a clone.  There's now thousands of Javik clones, always volunteering for the hardest, most dangerous missions.

[Leafs43]

This theory has been debunked yet this thread keeps going.


brb, ignore all logic and this thread makes sense!

[Seival]

Leafs43 wrote...

This theory has been debunked yet this thread keeps going.


brb, ignore all logic and this thread makes sense!

The theory was not debunked. And I suppose only EC will tell if I was right or not. There were no strong counter-arguments in this thread yet.

[M Hedonist]

Seival wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

This theory has been debunked yet this thread keeps going.


brb, ignore all logic and this thread makes sense!

The theory was not debunked. And I suppose only EC will tell if I was right or not. There were no strong counter-arguments in this thread yet.

No counter-arguments? Lol! You failed to answer any of these with an argument that uses a) evidence of any kind or a logical deduction!
People say "Why does nobody from the ME2 join the test flight?", you say "Because they don't!"

Modifié par Sauruz, 13 juin 2012 - 09:51 .

[Seival]

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

This theory has been debunked yet this thread keeps going.


brb, ignore all logic and this thread makes sense!

The theory was not debunked. And I suppose only EC will tell if I was right or not. There were no strong counter-arguments in this thread yet.

No counter-arguments? Lol!

I said "no strong counter-arguments". I already counter-argumented all those counter-arguments several times in this thread.

[D24O]

Wow, 36 pages, without going spiderman? Impressive.

[estebanus]

Seival wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

This theory has been debunked yet this thread keeps going.


brb, ignore all logic and this thread makes sense!

The theory was not debunked. And I suppose only EC will tell if I was right or not. There were no strong counter-arguments in this thread yet.

No counter-arguments? Lol!

I said "no strong counter-arguments". I already counter-argumented all those counter-arguments several times in this thread.

Still haven't answered any of his comments.

[sweet-d]

trash

[Muhkida]

D24O wrote...

Wow, 36 pages, without going spiderman? Impressive.

Give it some time....

[M Hedonist]

Let's try something different.
I challenge you to disprove any of the following arguments using either a) ingame evidence or a logical deduction:
1. Why do Mass Relays change color?
2. Why do Javik and James join the test flight? "They're part of the team" is not a solid argument. Unless they can actually provide any help during the flight, they're completely pointless.
3. Why does nobody of the ME2 crew join the test flight? Using your own argument, you're treating them like "kings".

[estebanus]

sweet-d wrote...

trash

[estebanus]

Muhkida wrote...

D24O wrote...

Wow, 36 pages, without going spiderman? Impressive.

Give it some time....

Sauruz will probably do it any minute now

[M Hedonist]

Muhkida wrote...

D24O wrote...

Wow, 36 pages, without going spiderman? Impressive.

Give it some time....

I tried spamming Spiderman, nobody joined in.
But I'm willing to try again.

[estebanus]

EDIT: spam erased.

Modifié par estebanus, 14 juin 2012 - 08:09 .

[M Hedonist]

[Seival]

estebanus wrote...

Seival wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

This theory has been debunked yet this thread keeps going.


brb, ignore all logic and this thread makes sense!

The theory was not debunked. And I suppose only EC will tell if I was right or not. There were no strong counter-arguments in this thread yet.

No counter-arguments? Lol!

I said "no strong counter-arguments". I already counter-argumented all those counter-arguments several times in this thread.

Still haven't answered any of his comments.

I answered all similar/same comments many times. He could just read them instead of asking to answer once more.

Modifié par Seival, 13 juin 2012 - 10:06 .

[estebanus]

Seival wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Seival wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

This theory has been debunked yet this thread keeps going.


brb, ignore all logic and this thread makes sense!

The theory was not debunked. And I suppose only EC will tell if I was right or not. There were no strong counter-arguments in this thread yet.

No counter-arguments? Lol!

I said "no strong counter-arguments". I already counter-argumented all those counter-arguments several times in this thread.

Still haven't answered any of his comments.

I answered all similar/same comments many times. He could just read them instead of asking to answer them once more.

No you didn't.