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[mauro2222]

Seival wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

And even if you are correct, they still die of radiation... not even EDI survives, you can't take out of travel a ship like that.

What radiation? There was a critical engine overload because of incorrect relays calibration. And Joker is skilled enough to control the flight of the Normandy even with damaged engines for a while. Remember ME2 beginning?

"If the field collapses while the ship is moving at faster-than-light
speeds, the effects are catastrophic. The ship is snapped back to
sublight velocity, the enormous excess energy shed in the form of lethal
Cherenkov radiation."

Codex and... well, real life.

Modifié par mauro2222, 04 juin 2012 - 10:55 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

And you clearly didn't read my answer: these glowing eyes could be visible only in special conditions. Liara's eyes are also not always black, but she always has her "mental mating ability".

You literally can't answer it without resulting to complete imagination.

Your theory has been disproved.

Anyone have a deal with it picture applicable to the amount this insane troll logiceer needs to deal with it?

[Reptilian Rob]

mauro2222 wrote...

Seival wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

And even if you are correct, they still die of radiation... not even EDI survives, you can't take out of travel a ship like that.

What radiation? There was a critical engine overload because of incorrect relays calibration. And Joker is skilled enough to control the flight of the Normandy even with damaged engines for a while. Remember ME2 beginning?

"If the field collapses while the ship is moving at faster-than-light
speeds, the effects are catastrophic. The ship is snapped back to
sublight velocity, the enormous excess energy shed in the form of lethal
Cherenkov radiation."

Codex.

Oh good, so they broke canon and released a crap ton of radiation onto the Normandy.

I smell EA milking us into another Metro Last Light type FPS!

[fr33stylez]

Seival wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

The color of the beam following the Normandy changes depending on Shepard's choice.

It is not some test jump.

Color may represent some Crucible explosion's long-term post-effect. So I don't think the color means anything in this scene. 

Unfortunately validity your entire argument rests on disregarding one of the major plot points in the ending. But I can't hate you for trying.

[jstme]

Clearly - top of the line warship with non-aliance crew on boad is the bestest derpest way to test a new mass relay. Hackett-level strategy,again.
OP - Ocaam razor. Use it. Unless of course you want to write edning to ME4 - they apparently like this kind of nonsense at Bioware nowdays so you can join the team with this level of explanations and speculations.

[fr33stylez]

Pottumuusi wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

You're working on a theory I proposed months ago.



If you notice, the Normandy was already damaged while Joker was trying to run. He was dealing with systems failures and had fires on the deck before the beam even made contact. Which makes sense because the Normandy rejoined the battle in space after dropping Shepard off on Earth. I wouldn't expect it to be spotless after that.

There was also an inexplicable gap in the beam behind the Normandy. It never actually made contact with the beam.

Not to mention, look at the crash site for the SR1 and look at the SR2. Other than a few burns to the hull and the thrusters being destroyed, the thing is in remarkably good shape for a frigate that crashed at 1000x FTL speed during a relay jump. And there's no sign of impact on the area around it. Not so much as a crater, as if the ship was just set down.

Plus, if you have an EMS below 1700 and choose destroy, everything the beam touches is instantly incinerated. You even get an extra scene showing Earth being burned clean. Yet even with this circumstance, the Normandy is largely intact, although they don't show the crew getting out.

The theory, there is more going on than what we're paying attention to. One possibility is that the Normandy being the fastest frigate in the galaxy and was being pushed to its limit during a relay jump tore open a wormhole which it got sucked into and was transported to that planet. Which might be in the Milky Way, might be in another galaxy, or might even be in another universe.

And going by the calm and somewhat happy attitude of the crew, they might have been there awhile by the time that scene showed.

I'm almost in tears. Bravo sir.

Modifié par fr33stylez, 04 juin 2012 - 10:56 .

[Pottumuusi]

fr33stylez wrote...

Seival wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

The color of the beam following the Normandy changes depending on Shepard's choice.

It is not some test jump.

Color may represent some Crucible explosion's long-term post-effect. So I don't think the color means anything in this scene. 

Unfortunately validity your entire argument rests on disregarding one of the major plot points in the ending. But I can't hate you for trying.

Yeah, and it totally isn't an ad hoc asspull either now is it?

[Leafs43]

Leafs43 wrote...

 OP isn't getting it.


Here is a nice allegory to debunk this theory for good.


Synthesis beam following the Normandy:





Concurrently inside the Normandy being very human:




Joker stepping out of the Normandy after crashing:








All screen caps taken from:  
 



/theory debunked

Formatting got screwed up.  

Fix't and bump't.

[Jenonax]

Am I really thick, OP, if I admit I have no idea what your theory was or what it was trying to prove? Seriously, I read it three or four times and still don't know what you were trying to say.

[agu123]

Seival wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

Seival wrote...

 Because people have to make sure that reconstructed/reactivated relays will not kill anyone inside a ship due to incorrect calibrations.

Which is why you take the most technologically advanced ship you have available, fill it with esteemed war heroes and send it through.

Yes. The ship and its crew are well known for completing very dangerous tasks.

Which is why using them to test a new Mass Relay would be completely pointless.

[Seival]

mauro2222 wrote...

Seival wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

And even if you are correct, they still die of radiation... not even EDI survives, you can't take out of travel a ship like that.

What radiation? There was a critical engine overload because of incorrect relays calibration. And Joker is skilled enough to control the flight of the Normandy even with damaged engines for a while. Remember ME2 beginning?

"If the field collapses while the ship is moving at faster-than-light
speeds, the effects are catastrophic. The ship is snapped back to
sublight velocity, the enormous excess energy shed in the form of lethal
Cherenkov radiation."

Codex and... well, real life.

They used to fight in vacuum, geared with just an oxigen-masks... There are some mistakes in ME Trilogy which should be fixed. But they don't really disprove the theory.

[Seival]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

And you clearly didn't read my answer: these glowing eyes could be visible only in special conditions. Liara's eyes are also not always black, but she always has her "mental mating ability".

You literally can't answer it without resulting to complete imagination.

Your theory has been disproved.

Anyone have a deal with it picture applicable to the amount this insane troll logiceer needs to deal with it?

Answer:

Seival wrote...

They used to fight in vacuum, geared with just an oxigen-masks... There are some mistakes in ME Trilogy which should be fixed. But they don't really disprove the theory.

[Pottumuusi]

Seival wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Seival wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

And even if you are correct, they still die of radiation... not even EDI survives, you can't take out of travel a ship like that.

What radiation? There was a critical engine overload because of incorrect relays calibration. And Joker is skilled enough to control the flight of the Normandy even with damaged engines for a while. Remember ME2 beginning?

"If the field collapses while the ship is moving at faster-than-light
speeds, the effects are catastrophic. The ship is snapped back to
sublight velocity, the enormous excess energy shed in the form of lethal
Cherenkov radiation."

Codex and... well, real life.

They used to fight in vacuum, geared with just an oxigen-masks... There are some mistakes in ME Trilogy which should be fixed. But they don't really disprove the theory.

This isn't a theory, it isn't really even a hypothesis.

[Seival]

agu123 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

Seival wrote...

 Because people have to make sure that reconstructed/reactivated relays will not kill anyone inside a ship due to incorrect calibrations.

Which is why you take the most technologically advanced ship you have available, fill it with esteemed war heroes and send it through.

Yes. The ship and its crew are well known for completing very dangerous tasks.

Which is why using them to test a new Mass Relay would be completely pointless.

Which is why using them to test a new Mass Relay would provide the best results.

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

And you clearly didn't read my answer: these glowing eyes could be visible only in special conditions. Liara's eyes are also not always black, but she always has her "mental mating ability".

You literally can't answer it without resulting to complete imagination.

Your theory has been disproved.

Anyone have a deal with it picture applicable to the amount this insane troll logiceer needs to deal with it?

Answer:

Seival wrote...

They used to fight in vacuum, geared with just an oxigen-masks... There are some mistakes in ME Trilogy which should be fixed. But they don't really disprove the theory.

You reject reality and substitute your own, right? 

Nah, it's been disproven. There are holes and flaws you literally cannot fix without massive amounts of imagination. 

Like I said - 

[Grimwick]

[quote]Seival wrote...

They used to fight in vacuum, geared with just an oxigen-masks... There are some mistakes in ME Trilogy which should be fixed. But they don't really disprove the theory.[/quote]

[/quote]
The problem is that your entire theory is based from tiny bits of information like this.

Selecting the ones which support your ideas (such as the rather stretched ideas about the damage to the normandy) whilst ignoring those which disprove yours is an example of double-standards.

What if all of your ideas are also mistakes which need to be fixed?

Modifié par Grimwick, 04 juin 2012 - 11:07 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

Which is why using them to test a new Mass Relay would provide the best results.

Watch out, that sentence is bolded, things are getting serious now. 

They can't do anything to affect the results. 

Having them on the ship makes no sense. 

Your 'theory' has been disproven. 

Deal. With. It. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 04 juin 2012 - 11:09 .

[Tealjaker94]

So what are you actually trying to prove? That instead of being stranded during the ending the Normandy and crew are instead stranded later? Disregarding the absurdity of the idea, why would you want this to be true?

[Seival]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

And you clearly didn't read my answer: these glowing eyes could be visible only in special conditions. Liara's eyes are also not always black, but she always has her "mental mating ability".

You literally can't answer it without resulting to complete imagination.

Your theory has been disproved.

Anyone have a deal with it picture applicable to the amount this insane troll logiceer needs to deal with it?

Answer:

Seival wrote...

They used to fight in vacuum, geared with just an oxigen-masks... There are some mistakes in ME Trilogy which should be fixed. But they don't really disprove the theory.

You reject reality and substitute your own, right? 

Nah, it's been disproven. There are holes and flaws you literally cannot fix without massive amounts of imagination. 

Like I said - 

The theory can't be really disproven till the EC

...I'm sure they will not remove the scene. So there must be some meaning in it. If you have more logical theory - I'm all ears.

[Pottumuusi]

Seival wrote...

agu123 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

Seival wrote...

 Because people have to make sure that reconstructed/reactivated relays will not kill anyone inside a ship due to incorrect calibrations.

Which is why you take the most technologically advanced ship you have available, fill it with esteemed war heroes and send it through.

Yes. The ship and its crew are well known for completing very dangerous tasks.

Which is why using them to test a new Mass Relay would be completely pointless.

Which is why using them to test a new Mass Relay would provide the best results.

WHY WOULD USING THEM YIELD BETTER RESULTS THAN SAY A DOG IF ALL YOU ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT IS IF SOMETHING CAN SURVIVE THE TRIP!?


You are making less sense than the Mass Effect 3 ending and the Terminator franchise combined....

I need to go and cry now.

Modifié par Pottumuusi, 04 juin 2012 - 11:11 .

[mauro2222]

Seival wrote...

The theory can't be really disproven till the EC

Sadly guys, he/she is right.

Anything is canon thanks to this horrible writing.

[dirtdiver32318]

I dunno I feel like people are just trying to find answers for the ending.

[Leafs43]

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

And you clearly didn't read my answer: these glowing eyes could be visible only in special conditions. Liara's eyes are also not always black, but she always has her "mental mating ability".

You literally can't answer it without resulting to complete imagination.

Your theory has been disproved.

Anyone have a deal with it picture applicable to the amount this insane troll logiceer needs to deal with it?

Answer:

Seival wrote...

They used to fight in vacuum, geared with just an oxigen-masks... There are some mistakes in ME Trilogy which should be fixed. But they don't really disprove the theory.

You reject reality and substitute your own, right? 

Nah, it's been disproven. There are holes and flaws you literally cannot fix without massive amounts of imagination. 

Like I said - 

The theory can't be really disproven till the EC

...I'm sure they will not remove the scene. So there must be some meaning in it. If you have more logical theory - I'm all ears.

This theory of yours has been disproven already.


You are just choosing to ignore the logical pitfalls.

[Seival]

[quote]Grimwick wrote...

[quote]Seival wrote...

They used to fight in vacuum, geared with just an oxigen-masks... There are some mistakes in ME Trilogy which should be fixed. But they don't really disprove the theory.[/quote]

[/quote]
" The problem is that your entire theory is based from tiny bits of information like this.

Selecting the ones which support your ideas (such as the rather stretched ideas about the damage to the normandy) whilst ignoring those which disprove yours is an example of double-standards.

What if all of your ideas are also mistakes which need to be fixed? "
[/quote]

Yes, we have too little details right now. And I may be wrong. But right now this theory about the crash scene is the most logical. And I doubt they will remove it in EC.

Modifié par Seival, 04 juin 2012 - 11:16 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

The theory can't be really disproven till the EC

It can. 

And has been, evidently, sorry to burst your bubble. 

...I'm sure they will not remove the scene. So there must be some meaning in it. If you have more logical theory - I'm all ears.

I do actually. 

BioWare aren't infallible. 

They attempted to add a meaningful and symbolic scene to the ending, to make it 'deeper', and failed. It's just a bad scene, there's nothing profound or ineresting about it. It has no hidden purpose.