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[M Hedonist]

Pottumuusi wrote...

Guys what the hell are you doing? Are you having a discussion?

Well, stop it. This thread deserves nothing but 60's Spiderman.

I know. I feel all terrible.
But for now I'll try to cooperate.

Seival wrote...

Q: Why do you think the scene is not some symbolical "Adam and Eve allegory"?
A: I believe that if BioWare really wanted to make a symbolical scene, they could do something like this:
http://social.biowar...ndex/12575608/1

Saying that they could have does not mean that they would have.
Similarly, I could say that if they really wanted to show us a Mass Relay test jump they could have made it much clearer.

Q: Why Javik can be aboard during the scene?
A: He could change his mind about the suicide.

Again... saying that he could does not mean that he will.
Plus, that would disregard the player's decisions. What if somebody really wanted to have Javik commit suicide for whatever reason?

Q: Why Joker eyes aren't glowing inside the Normandy during the Synthesis ending before the crash?
A: Those eye glows could be visible only in some special conditions (like adept's eye glows when he uses abilities).

Could... does not mean... ah, whatever. With Synthesis being as vague as it is, you may be right here.

Q: How could the jumps be even possible? The relays were destroyed.
A: Relays were clearly not destroyed completely, especially in the Control ending. They could be reconstructible.

More importantly, why would they rebuild the Mass Relays in all of the endings? They could as well develop more efficient FTL drives.
Behold as I break new ground in this thread and use actual evidence: Interview with Patrick Weekes

Galactic civilization will rebuild. The mass relays were not necessary for interstellar flight. Remember, what does it say in the Codex about the speed of ships? That's right, 12 lightyears per (day? hour? minute?). And that's only the cruising speed, not the maximum speed.

People have never needed to research basic FTL improvements before because they have mass relays. With the relays gone, new technology will increase that speed. Additionally, the element zero cores of the dead/controlled Reapers can be used to improve FTL drives. Starflight will continue using conventional FTL.

Patrick Weekes disagrees with you, Seival.

Modifié par Sauruz, 14 juin 2012 - 10:41 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

"One does not simply explain the Normandy crash scene."

[estebanus]

One flaw I find with this theory is the Shepard breath scene. It happens after the Normandy crashes.

Am I simply to assume that a half-dead Shepard was laying in rubble that looks suspiciously much like London for the last 20+ years?

[M Hedonist]

estebanus wrote...

One flaw I find with this theory is the Shepard breath scene. It happens after the Normandy crashes.

Am I simply to assume that a half-dead Shepard was laying in rubble that looks suspiciously much like London for the last 20+ years?

Maybe Shepard was on that test jump, too, and he's lying under Normandy rubble.

This made me realize yet another plot hole. Why isn't Shepard on that test jump? He's the greatest hero of them all, by Seival's logic he would have been a perfect test dummy candidate for this test jump.

Modifié par Sauruz, 14 juin 2012 - 10:49 .

[estebanus]

Sauruz wrote...

estebanus wrote...

One flaw I find with this theory is the Shepard breath scene. It happens after the Normandy crashes.

Am I simply to assume that a half-dead Shepard was laying in rubble that looks suspiciously much like London for the last 20+ years?

Maybe Shepard was on that test jump, too, and he's lying under Normandy rubble.

This made me realize yet another plot hole. Why isn't Shepard on that test jump?

DON'T ARGUE WITH THE OP, MORTAL! YOU JUST DON'T GET HIS ARTISTIC VISION!

Modifié par estebanus, 14 juin 2012 - 10:50 .

[M Hedonist]

estebanus wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

estebanus wrote...

One flaw I find with this theory is the Shepard breath scene. It happens after the Normandy crashes.

Am I simply to assume that a half-dead Shepard was laying in rubble that looks suspiciously much like London for the last 20+ years?

Maybe Shepard was on that test jump, too, and he's lying under Normandy rubble.

This made me realize yet another plot hole. Why isn't Shepard on that test jump?

DON'T ARGUE WITH THE OP, MORTAL! YOU JUST DON'T GET HIS ARTISTIC VISION!

Reading his comments actually makes me think he wrote the endings. Same kind of logic.

[Seival]

Sauruz wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

Guys what the hell are you doing? Are you having a discussion?

Well, stop it. This thread deserves nothing but 60's Spiderman.

I know. I feel all terrible.
But for now I'll try to cooperate.

Seival wrote...

Q: Why do you think the scene is not some symbolical "Adam and Eve allegory"?
A: I believe that if BioWare really wanted to make a symbolical scene, they could do something like this:
http://social.biowar...ndex/12575608/1

Saying that they could have does not mean that they would have.
Similarly, I could say that if they really wanted to show us a Mass Relay test jump they could have made it much clearer.

Q: Why Javik can be aboard during the scene?
A: He could change his mind about the suicide.

Again... saying that he could does not mean that he will.
Plus, that would disregard the player's decisions. What if somebody really wanted to have Javik commit suicide for whatever reason?

Q: Why Joker eyes aren't glowing inside the Normandy during the Synthesis ending before the crash?
A: Those eye glows could be visible only in some special conditions (like adept's eye glows when he uses abilities).

Could... does not mean... ah, whatever. With Synthesis being as vague as it is, you may be right here.

Q: How could the jumps be even possible? The relays were destroyed.
A: Relays were clearly not destroyed completely, especially in the Control ending. They could be reconstructible.

More importantly, why would they rebuild the Mass Relays in all of the endings? They could as well develop more efficient FTL drives.
Behold as I break new ground in this thread and use actual evidence: Interview with Patrick Weekes

Galactic civilization will rebuild. The mass relays were not necessary for interstellar flight. Remember, what does it say in the Codex about the speed of ships? That's right, 12 lightyears per (day? hour? minute?). And that's only the cruising speed, not the maximum speed.

People have never needed to research basic FTL improvements before because they have mass relays. With the relays gone, new technology will increase that speed. Additionally, the element zero cores of the dead/controlled Reapers can be used to improve FTL drives. Starflight will continue using conventional FTL.

Patrick Weekes disagrees with you, Seival.

I didn't finish adding FAQ yet. Please, wait till I finish to avoid fragmented discussion.

[Pottumuusi]

The most prominent reason why this is just so stupid is that it's Joker with the Normandy + some crew members who are simply not needed for flying a ship.

If your hypothesis is accurate, then it would actually make the ending even stupider than it currenly is. Quite an achievement there.

I will now describe the correct way to conduct a test flight.

What you do, is you take a dog. You then put the dog into an M35 Mako.
You then proceed to drop the Mako into your new DIY experimental Mass Relay.

This way you can observe it's effects on organic life and spacecraft, without putting state of the art, ridiculously expensive technology and esteemed war heroes to unneccesary risk.

[estebanus]

Sauruz wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

estebanus wrote...

One flaw I find with this theory is the Shepard breath scene. It happens after the Normandy crashes.

Am I simply to assume that a half-dead Shepard was laying in rubble that looks suspiciously much like London for the last 20+ years?

Maybe Shepard was on that test jump, too, and he's lying under Normandy rubble.

This made me realize yet another plot hole. Why isn't Shepard on that test jump?

DON'T ARGUE WITH THE OP, MORTAL! YOU JUST DON'T GET HIS ARTISTIC VISION!

Reading his comments actually makes me think he wrote the endings. Same kind of logic.

I've got this feeling that Seival might just be another of Oransel's personas...

Modifié par estebanus, 14 juin 2012 - 11:00 .

[Pottumuusi]

estebanus wrote...

I've got this feeling that Seival might just be another of Oransel's personas...

Exactly what I've been thinking.

God help us all.

[estebanus]

Pottumuusi wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I've got this feeling that Seival might just be another of Oransel's personas...

Exactly what I've been thinking.

God help us all.

Oh god, are we all getting trolled here?

That would be an epic twist...

[M Hedonist]

Seival wrote...

Q: Why fully-staffed tests are so important?
A: First of all, fully-staffed ships have different payload and profile, which affects a lot of ship's flight properties. Second, living crew members has specific physiology, which differ them from each other and animals. Some tests just have to be made with real people involved.

Q: But why not use some cheap ship with some unimportant people for the very first flight?
A: There are no unimportant people in post-Crucible age. Normandy is not just a stealth-frigate. It's very survivable and heavily upgraded ship. And the Normandy's usual crew is very skilled and well-trained to act effectively in different extremal situations. Normandy and its crew is a perfect choice for such a dangerous task.

I guess this is supposed to be your answer to why Javik and James are on that ship.
Just to get this straight: you're basically saying that they are living test dummies.
Excuse me, but that is simply stupid. Javik does not provide any help for the flight. He is no more of an expert on the Normandy than Grunt is. He is literally a living test dummy.
And why would they need some extra living test dummies if they could have experienced staff who actually can provide help for the flight? Why would they take Javik with them if they could have a technician who actually knows something about the Normandy? This has nothing to do with a person's importance but rather with their expertise. James and Javik are good at killing stuff. Nothing more than that. Only because they've spent some time on the Normandy does not mean they're experts on the Normandy. Again, Javik's as much an expert of the Normandy as Grunt.
This simply does not answer the core problem that they're taking people on this flight who have no idea of the inner workings of an Alliance ship.
Also, why is that task in any way "dangerous"? Are you saying they expected the Normandy to crash?

Modifié par Sauruz, 14 juin 2012 - 11:05 .

[iHorizons]

This thread is poop.

[Pottumuusi]

Sauruz wrote...
I guess this is supposed to be your answer to why Javik and James are on that ship.
Just to get this straight: you're basically saying that they are living test dummies.
Excuse me, but that is simply stupid. Javik does not provide any help for the flight. He is no more of an expert on the Normandy than Grunt is. He is literally a living test dummy.
And why would they need some extra living test dummies if they could have experienced staff who actually can provide help for the flight? Why would they take Javik with them if they could have a technician who actually knows something about the Normandy? This has nothing to do with a person's importance but rather with their expertise. James and Javik are good at killing stuff. Nothing more than that. Only because they've spent some time on the Normandy does not mean they're experts on the Normandy. Again, Javik's as much an expert of the Normandy as Grunt.
This simply does not answer the core problem that they're taking people on this flight who have no idea of the inner workings of an Alliance ship.

I'd like to add that if you need a team of engineers to keep the ship together during the jump, then clearly something is wrong with the relay and you should fix it.
Hence, having anyone on the ship during the test is, shudder and gasp, entirely pointless.

[estebanus]

iHorizons wrote...

This thread is poop.

Exactly! This thread is the apex of fecal matter evolution! WITNESS POOPTHESIS!!!

[k0xfilter]

iHorizons wrote...

This thread is poop.

Amen.

[Pottumuusi]

estebanus wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

This thread is poop.

Exactly! This thread is the apex of fecal matter evolution! WITNESS POOPTHESIS!!!

What will you choose?

You could wipe out all the poop if you want.

Or do you think you can control us? You will lose everything you have, but all the feces will be yours. Which makes total sense.

There is another solution though, poopthesis. Add your turd to the dung pile. It will be absorbed and then sent out to infuse everything with excrement, creating a new DNA. SNA, if you will, for s***ribonucleic acid. The cycle will end, poopthesis is the final evolution of fecal matter.

Why not? Poop is already an integral part of your life, could you imagine life without it? Even you are partly made of s***.

Choose wisely and decide your fate.

Modifié par Pottumuusi, 14 juin 2012 - 11:23 .

[Seival]

Looks like the FAQ is ready. If I missed some questions, please let me know.

...And please, avoid fragmented discussion.

[SackofCat]

What do you mean when you say fragmented discussion?

[o Ventus]

I think the full-retard FAQ actually made the thread worse.

[Star fury]

Pottumuusi wrote...

The most prominent reason why this is just so stupid is that it's Joker with the Normandy + some crew members who are simply not needed for flying a ship.

If your hypothesis is accurate, then it would actually make the ending even stupider than it currenly is. Quite an achievement there.

I will now describe the correct way to conduct a test flight.

What you do, is you take a dog. You then put the dog into an M35 Mako.
You then proceed to drop the Mako into your new DIY experimental Mass Relay.

This way you can observe it's effects on organic life and spacecraft, without putting state of the art, ridiculously expensive technology and esteemed war heroes to unneccesary risk.

Top reply. And we can close thread now.

[Doofe2012]

I sincerely hope this is a troll topic. There was nothing good about the Normandy crash scene except an excuse to have Buzz Aldrin speak a few lines. The whole thing was completely out-of-nowhere and a total asspull attempt to add even more sadness to the already depressing ending. And I would say this to Casey or Mac in person to their faces.

[D24O]

I'll bet $10 that the Normandy scene is gone in the EC.

[iHorizons]

estebanus wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

This thread is poop.

Exactly! This thread is the apex of fecal matter evolution! WITNESS POOPTHESIS!!!

I know lol.
I can't believe someone actually believes this, even BW has to be laughing at this thread

[iHorizons]

@Pottumuusui

What you said is extremely hilarious and makes more sense than the OP's retarded theory