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[The Angry One]

shteuyn wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Yes...the first relay that blows up is supposed to be sol but not in the next scene, its arrival's relay which is already destroyed.

Aaargh...cant...wrap my head around this...
What the balls is Bioware trying to say with this?

That they screwed up?

[KevShep]

The Angry One wrote...

shteuyn wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Yes...the first relay that blows up is supposed to be sol but not in the next scene, its arrival's relay which is already destroyed.

Aaargh...cant...wrap my head around this...
What the balls is Bioware trying to say with this?

That they screwed up?

No they did not screw up....

I would just like to say that everyting that is played in that last bits of cut scenes is things that Shepard HAS already experienced.

-Liara says to Shepard (before the fight for earth) that "A ship can get lost out there could it?"(she says this as they look to space).

- Relays blowing up...nuf said!

-Normandy out runing an explostion.

-Normandy blowing up and crashing.

-The world that they land on has the same moons as the quairan home world...a world by the way that symbolizes HOPE( the whole last bit is about hope after all).

-The relays first start to explode in the same system as arrival( IT WAS NOT SOL THAT IT SHOWS)...hint hint hint!

[The Angry One]

Yeah BioWare aren't known for their visual screw ups.



*cough*

[BatmanTurian]

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah BioWare aren't known for their visual screw ups.



*cough*

Fair enough, but it's fallacious to say everything wierd could be a bug. Sometimes a bug isn't a bug. Of course, you'll say sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. and technically we'd both be right.

[KevShep]

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah BioWare aren't known for their visual screw ups.



*cough*

Everyone screws up a little...but what your getting at is a screw of of galatic proportions. There is a difference.

[The Angry One]

Writer: "Hey, cinematic department. We need a shot of the mass relays exploding on the galaxy map. Starting from the Sol system."

Cinematic Deparment: "You got it."

Writer: "Okay, bye."

CD: "Wait... where is Sol again? ... oh nevermind I'll just start it anywhere."

[KevShep]

The Angry One wrote...

Writer: "Hey, cinematic department. We need a shot of the mass relays exploding on the galaxy map. Starting from the Sol system."

Cinematic Deparment: "You got it."

Writer: "Okay, bye."

CD: "Wait... where is Sol again? ... oh nevermind I'll just start it anywhere."

Are you being sarcastic? If not then how can you see your own comment as truth when the devs would clearly never make that mistake. Remember that many people look at each scene as its being made. Also everything intentional or not is pointing right at indoc. So going with the likely choice ( which is always the obvious one) it would have to be the one with the most pointing to there anwser...indoc

[Erield]

KevShep wrote...

Everyone screws up a little...but what your getting at is a screw of of galatic proportions. There is a difference.

So, you found DA2 to be superawesome with no problems, right?  And you thought Kai Leng was very well done, a great villain?  And you enjoyed TIM's change from being the "Sword of Humanity" to "Kill All Humans...and Control All Reapers!" ?  Oh, I bet you also enjoyed the forced emotional outburst of Shepard's after Thessia, too.

You thought that auto-Dialogue was a great idea, Day 1 DLC was a great addition, and the very concept of the Crucible is the best thing ever.

Yeah.  They totally got all kinds of stuff right that don't involve anything that could possibly be considered a bug or IT-related.

[The Angry One]

KevShep wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Writer: "Hey, cinematic department. We need a shot of the mass relays exploding on the galaxy map. Starting from the Sol system."

Cinematic Deparment: "You got it."

Writer: "Okay, bye."

CD: "Wait... where is Sol again? ... oh nevermind I'll just start it anywhere."

Are you being sarcastic? If not then how can you see your own comment as truth when the devs would clearly never make that mistake. Remember that many people look at each scene as its being made. Also everything intentional or not is pointing right at indoc. So going with the likely choice ( which is always the obvious one) it would have to be the one with the most pointing to there anwser...indoc

Oh you mean like how they admitted there was a miscommunication between the writers and cinematic department in the original Mass Effect, resulting in Alliance cruisers firing ridiculously slow fireballs from their main guns instead of their heavy mass accelerators?

[KevShep]

The Angry One wrote...

KevShep wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Writer: "Hey, cinematic department. We need a shot of the mass relays exploding on the galaxy map. Starting from the Sol system."

Cinematic Deparment: "You got it."

Writer: "Okay, bye."

CD: "Wait... where is Sol again? ... oh nevermind I'll just start it anywhere."

Are you being sarcastic? If not then how can you see your own comment as truth when the devs would clearly never make that mistake. Remember that many people look at each scene as its being made. Also everything intentional or not is pointing right at indoc. So going with the likely choice ( which is always the obvious one) it would have to be the one with the most pointing to there anwser...indoc

Oh you mean like how they admitted there was a miscommunication between the writers and cinematic department in the original Mass Effect, resulting in Alliance cruisers firing ridiculously slow fireballs from their main guns instead of their heavy mass accelerators?

Like I said...that is a small mistake. We are talking about a HUGE one. This is the end and the most important part of the whole series there is no way that they would send it to hell in 10 minutes remember...speculations.

That means that somthing is hidden or unclear.

[KevShep]

Erield wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Everyone screws up a little...but what your getting at is a screw of of galatic proportions. There is a difference.

So, you found DA2 to be superawesome with no problems, right?  And you thought Kai Leng was very well done, a great villain?  And you enjoyed TIM's change from being the "Sword of Humanity" to "Kill All Humans...and Control All Reapers!" ?  Oh, I bet you also enjoyed the forced emotional outburst of Shepard's after Thessia, too.

You thought that auto-Dialogue was a great idea, Day 1 DLC was a great addition, and the very concept of the Crucible is the best thing ever.

Yeah.  They totally got all kinds of stuff right that don't involve anything that could possibly be considered a bug or IT-related.

That was not done by the same team at Bioware. This team on ME is by far better then they were.

[iHorizons]

My theory is that Seivals theory is garbage along with the so called "evidence" and the FAQ is a bad joke

[BatmanTurian]

iHorizons wrote...

My theory is that Seivals theory is garbage along with the so called "evidence" and the FAQ is a bad joke

the more you post, the more I like you.

[Muhkida]

estebanus wrote...

D24O wrote...

I have a question. Where was Kai leng?

In Shepard's cabin. Eating her/his cereal.

Probably stole my space hamster too.  That **** was expensive.

[iHorizons]

BatmanTurian wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

My theory is that Seivals theory is garbage along with the so called "evidence" and the FAQ is a bad joke

the more you post, the more I like you.

Haha thanks. What do you think of Seivals theory? 

[SackofCat]

Seival,
Sauruz has made many valid criticisms that I think you either failed to understand or chose not to.

It is not enough to say something could be true. If you want your theory to be valid and for people to take your theory seriously, you have to explain why your interpretation is more likely than other explanations that require fewer assumptions. As Sauruz has stated, just because it could be true doesn't mean it is true or even likely.

We do not see anyone rebuilding a relay or even the Normandy entering a mass relay. If the authors did want to portray a relay-test, these would most likely be in the sequence of scenes this thread is meant to interpret. What follows is a description of what does happen in this sequence.

After the crucible fires we see:

-A relay transmitting a red, blue, or green colored beam (depending on Shepard's choice)

-Then (same scene) the relay breaks apart and explodes as a sphere of R/B/G colored energy begins to expand outward from this same relay

-The next scene is a galaxy-map-like view of the Milky Way. In this scene, we see a dot transmit a beam of R/B/G (in a straight line) to another dot before a R/B/G circle begins to expand from the first, transmitting dot. The similarities (RBG colored beam, then RBG circle expanding) between the first and second scene listed here make the possibility that we are seeing the same thing from a different perspective most likely. Anything else could only serve to mislead the audience.

-In the same scene as scene described above, we see that the receiving dot, where the first beam stopped, do the same thing that the first dot did (shoot RBG beam in straight line to a different dot before RBG circle expands from transmitting dot). This most likely is meant to demonstrate that what we are seeing is a galaxy-map-like view of a chain reaction and these dots represent the mass relays. The beam that is being sent out by a transmitting relay causes each receiving mass relay to act in the same manner as the transmitting relay (transmitting relay sends beam to another relay before breaking apart and exploding and sending a RBG sphere expanding outward from itself). The implication is that all relays will ultimately be destroyed.

-The next scene shows Joker frantically piloting in a damaged cockpit. He looks back...

-Then the next scene shows a wave of energy with the same color and texture as the wave of energy we saw traveling 3 scenes (or about 20 seconds) ago. Another moving wave with the same color and texture as the crucible-originating wave without anything to indicate that the waves are different, of different origin, or occurring at a different time indicates that, most likely, they are the same wave. [Also, the wave is moving faster than the Normandy but has not caught up yet.]

-In this same scene, we see the a blackish, hole-ish thing begin to develop within the RBG energy wave right where the wave is closest to the Normandy. This hole continues to expand.

-Next scene a close up of Joker behaving more frantic and with a worried/frightened expression on his face. Next we see a profile view of the Normandy from a distance and, what is now a ring of RBG energy around a blackish hole-ish thing is quickly catching up to the Normandy. Next an even closer close up of Joker, whose face is appearing increasingly worried/frightened, who is also jumping and shaking in his seat as if the ride was becoming bumpy. There are flashes behind Joker that look like fire.

-Next we see a closer profile view of the Normandy as the wave of blackish hole-ish thing within a ring of RBG energy catches up to the ship. The Normandy begins to progressively waver more drastically as the wave gets progressively closer, giving the impression that the wave is causing the waver and disrupting the proper functioning of the Normandy. When the wave finally reaches the Normandy, the thruster/wings on the side facing us break off violently. There appear to be RBG lightning-like current ejecting from the wave and connecting with the Normandy, which may have caused the thruster/wing explosion/malfunction. This scene ends when a white flash appears all around the Normandy and beyond it.

Some scenes don't occur depending on what color you chose.

I think it is most likely that the crash scene is occurring during FTL travel. Relay-to-relay travel is instantaneous as specifically mentioned numerous times in the games (and, prominently, Mass Effect: Revelation) and is never contradicted (Omega-4 relay is anomalous for a variety of reason). This scene has 3 different shots of Joker doing slightly different things each one which does not occur simultaneously/instantaneously.

There is no indication that the crash occurs decades in the future despite several obvious opportunities to do so (give Joker some wrinkles/different facial hair, change the song or at least change the music).

Seival, or anybody else, if you read through this unintentionally long post, and can show me why my description and interpretation is not the most likely intention of Bioware, I would love to hear it.

Oh, and there is also a loading screen video (can't remember when it plays) that depicts the Normandy in FTL and looks remarkably similar to how the Normandy looks in the ending. If anybody would like to see it I can find and link it.

[BatmanTurian]

iHorizons wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

My theory is that Seivals theory is garbage along with the so called "evidence" and the FAQ is a bad joke

the more you post, the more I like you.

Haha thanks. What do you think of Seivals theory? 

pretty much ilike everyone else.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 16 juin 2012 - 04:55 .

[iHorizons]

Anytime I point of the several holes in Seivals theory he just ignores them

[o Ventus]

iHorizons wrote...

Anytime anyone points out the several holes in Seivals theory he just ignores them

Fixed

[iHorizons]

^True

[iHorizons]

Lol this thread still makes me laugh

[Seival]

iHorizons wrote...

My theory is that Seivals theory is garbage along with the so called "evidence" and the FAQ is a bad joke

Please, prove your theory

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

My theory is that Seivals theory is garbage along with the so called "evidence" and the FAQ is a bad joke

Please, prove your theory

Just take at your original post. 

There's your evidence. A list of ever more improbable assumptions with no actual evidence, just your imagination. So this isn't a theory, it's just nonsense. 

And you haven't managed to 'explain' the sixty fifth point to disprove your nonsense I posted further up the page. I'm looking forward to you putting the final nail the coffin for this idiocy. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 16 juin 2012 - 06:16 .

[M Hedonist]

Seival wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

My theory is that Seivals theory is garbage along with the so called "evidence" and the FAQ is a bad joke

Please, prove your theory

Better idea: Try disproving it.

[D24O]

I think making any theory on the ending and trying to convince others is pointless. We have so little information to go on, that massive amounts of headcannon are neccecary just to fill the gaps, and because its so subjective, interpretations will be varied. Also, we knot the EC is coming out, and that it should have new info, so arguing facts is pointless because the facts are going to change.