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[IonSilverbolt]

sUiCiDeKiNgS13 wrote...

Geth SMG has180 shots. Took 150 on a centurion to kill him. WEAK!!!

Aim for the head.

[Oni Changas]

Tempest, Geth SMG, and Hornet are perfectly fine. Stop whining.

[Atheosis]

IonSilverbolt wrote...

Most SMG's are good considering their weight. Except for the Locust.

Some of the standard assault rifles stink by comparison. I can do more damage with a tempest than I can with a Mattock. And it weighs less and has a ton more ammo.

That totally depends on how fast you pull the trigger with the Mattock.  And the Mattock is much better for getting headshots.  Really of all the weak AR's you could've chosen, you picked the worst possible example. 

[Mozts]

Is this "buff troll" thread just like "nerf troll" ?

If so, you should mention that balance goes in the airlock and we can have mini-nukes because its a co-op.

[Transairion]

Automatic AR's < Automatic SMG's right now

I think you need to get buffing priorities straight, since Assault Rifles are MEANT to do more damage than SMG's. Unless you never played ME2 or something?

[B.Shep]

Atheosis wrote...

B.Shep wrote...

It's amazing how many people come here to ask to "buff" or "nerf" some weapon just because they don't like the damage the weapon can do....

Why would anyone like the damage a gun can do when it does virtually no damage?

The size of the clip compensate for the low damage on the M-9 Tempest.
Geth Plasma SMG has a very fast rate of fire and synergy with Geth.
M-25 Hornet do a lot of damage in controlled bursts.
Also take in account all SMG don't lower your cooldown bonus thanks to the ultralight materials.

So yes, people really need to stop whining about this every time.

[cronshaw]

B.Shep wrote...

Also take in account all SMG don't lower your cooldown bonus thanks to the ultralight materials.

ULM is still broken

[IonSilverbolt]

Atheosis wrote...

IonSilverbolt wrote...

Most SMG's are good considering their weight. Except for the Locust.

Some of the standard assault rifles stink by comparison. I can do more damage with a tempest than I can with a Mattock. And it weighs less and has a ton more ammo.

That totally depends on how fast you pull the trigger with the Mattock.  And the Mattock is much better for getting headshots.  Really of all the weak AR's you could've chosen, you picked the worst possible example. 

I can score a lot more headshots with a tempest than with a mattock when fired from cover. It doesn't take much practice to master the recoil of the tempest either. Even if you manage to do more damage by using some kind of auto fire macro, have fun going to the ammo crate all the time.


Realistically, the mattocks only advantage is the AP mod whenever you need it. Still, I'd rather carry tempest/carnifex than a mattock. And both of those still weigh less than carrying just a mattock.

[Lord Rosario]

B.Shep wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

B.Shep wrote...

It's amazing how many people come here to ask to "buff" or "nerf" some weapon just because they don't like the damage the weapon can do....

Why would anyone like the damage a gun can do when it does virtually no damage?

The size of the clip compensate for the low damage on the M-9 Tempest.
Geth Plasma SMG has a very fast rate of fire and synergy with Geth.
M-25 Hornet do a lot of damage in controlled bursts.
Also take in account all SMG don't lower your cooldown bonus thanks to the ultralight materials.

So yes, people really need to stop whining about this every time.

Problem is, to empty an entire clip from the tempest or geth plasma smg with both lvl 5 ammo boosts, the entire clip might bring down a hunter, rocket trooper, pyro, centurian, nemesis, murauder, etc... but on gold, sticking your head out of cover for 15-20 seconds is not even viable.

[B.Shep]

Use a power, then shoot for a few seconds, go to cover and repeat the process. If someone get to close use a melee or change places.

Guess you are using engineer or maybe a infiltrator. Some powers like overload and energy drain help a lot when fighting on gold.

Modifié par B.Shep, 05 juin 2012 - 03:37 .

[Grimy Bunyip]

Lord Rosario wrote...

Problem is, to empty an entire clip from the tempest or geth plasma smg with both lvl 5 ammo boosts, the entire clip might bring down a hunter, rocket trooper, pyro, centurian, nemesis, murauder, etc... but on gold, sticking your head out of cover for 15-20 seconds is not even viable.

a tempest can down a cannibal in under 3 seconds on a level 1 account.
under 1.5 seconds with an infiltrator.
and potentially under 1 second if you manage to land a few headshots with a geth infiltrator and some consumables.
the whole 15-20 second thing is kinda a giant exaggeration.

[Whimper]

People are praising the Hornet in here, but is that gun even usable? The recoil and lack of continuous fire make it a total pain to wield...

[Grimy Bunyip]

the hornet has harder to control recoil than the tempest, but it makes up for it by having tighter bullet spread.
its a tradeoff, tempest and hornet are very on par with each other.

[Drummernate]

Whimper wrote...

People are praising the Hornet in here, but is that gun even usable? The recoil and lack of continuous fire make it a total pain to wield...

Hip fire or use it in cover.

It is great on my Vanguard.

Charge, Nova, Shoot, Charge, Repeat.

[B.Shep]

Whimper wrote...

People are praising the Hornet in here, but is that gun even usable? The recoil and lack of continuous fire make it a total pain to wield...

The bursts make it easy to spare ammo and hit targets.

[Lord Rosario]

Grimy Bunyip wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

Problem is, to empty an entire clip from the tempest or geth plasma smg with both lvl 5 ammo boosts, the entire clip might bring down a hunter, rocket trooper, pyro, centurian, nemesis, murauder, etc... but on gold, sticking your head out of cover for 15-20 seconds is not even viable.

a tempest can down a cannibal in under 3 seconds on a level 1 account.
under 1.5 seconds with an infiltrator.
and potentially under 1 second if you manage to land a few headshots with a geth infiltrator and some consumables.
the whole 15-20 second thing is kinda a giant exaggeration.

Cannibal also has the least health of any enemy besides a swarmer... >.> your point is invalid.

Edit: Most people complaining are also probably farming Geth.. those guys with a crap ton of armor. <--supporting your points with better arguements :]

Modifié par Lord Rosario, 05 juin 2012 - 03:47 .

[IonSilverbolt]

The tempest outclasses the hornet except at point blank range, or when hip firing. Once you start aiming, the tempest is actually very accurate, and you can nail EVERY shot to the head if you learn to compensate for its recoil.

The hornet can also nail some headshots, but forget about nailing all three shots to the head unless you're a Turian soldier, or have a level 3 stability mod on.

[Drummernate]

Lord Rosario wrote...

Grimy Bunyip wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

Problem is, to empty an entire clip from the tempest or geth plasma smg with both lvl 5 ammo boosts, the entire clip might bring down a hunter, rocket trooper, pyro, centurian, nemesis, murauder, etc... but on gold, sticking your head out of cover for 15-20 seconds is not even viable.

a tempest can down a cannibal in under 3 seconds on a level 1 account.
under 1.5 seconds with an infiltrator.
and potentially under 1 second if you manage to land a few headshots with a geth infiltrator and some consumables.
the whole 15-20 second thing is kinda a giant exaggeration.

Cannibal also has the least health of any enemy besides a swarmer... >.> your point is invalid.

Husk?....

Your point is invalid.

[Lord Rosario]

Drummernate wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

Grimy Bunyip wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

Problem is, to empty an entire clip from the tempest or geth plasma smg with both lvl 5 ammo boosts, the entire clip might bring down a hunter, rocket trooper, pyro, centurian, nemesis, murauder, etc... but on gold, sticking your head out of cover for 15-20 seconds is not even viable.

a tempest can down a cannibal in under 3 seconds on a level 1 account.
under 1.5 seconds with an infiltrator.
and potentially under 1 second if you manage to land a few headshots with a geth infiltrator and some consumables.
the whole 15-20 second thing is kinda a giant exaggeration.

Cannibal also has the least health of any enemy besides a swarmer... >.> your point is invalid.

Husk?....

Your point is invalid.

My point is not invalidated due to the fact that canibals still have less health than any enemy that will cause a problem. That was the point. Tempest vs anything that will really cause damage = crap.

[Atheosis]

B.Shep wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

B.Shep wrote...

It's amazing how many people come here to ask to "buff" or "nerf" some weapon just because they don't like the damage the weapon can do....

Why would anyone like the damage a gun can do when it does virtually no damage?

The size of the clip compensate for the low damage on the M-9 Tempest.
Geth Plasma SMG has a very fast rate of fire and synergy with Geth.
M-25 Hornet do a lot of damage in controlled bursts.
Also take in account all SMG don't lower your cooldown bonus thanks to the ultralight materials.

So yes, people really need to stop whining about this every time.

Good job listing the best SMG's while ignoring the likes of the Locust and Tempest.

Oh and ULM still don't work.  I guess you hadn't gotten the news yet.

[Grimy Bunyip]

cannibal has 2025 health on gold.
it is tied for highest unshielded health in the game.
cerberus troopers have 1687.5
geth troopers have 1856
geth hunters have 2025

honestly, obviously you are incapable of backing up any of your claims without making up false info.

[Drummernate]

Lord Rosario wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

Grimy Bunyip wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

Problem is, to empty an entire clip from the tempest or geth plasma smg with both lvl 5 ammo boosts, the entire clip might bring down a hunter, rocket trooper, pyro, centurian, nemesis, murauder, etc... but on gold, sticking your head out of cover for 15-20 seconds is not even viable.

a tempest can down a cannibal in under 3 seconds on a level 1 account.
under 1.5 seconds with an infiltrator.
and potentially under 1 second if you manage to land a few headshots with a geth infiltrator and some consumables.
the whole 15-20 second thing is kinda a giant exaggeration.

Cannibal also has the least health of any enemy besides a swarmer... >.> your point is invalid.

Husk?....

Your point is invalid.

My point is not invalidated due to the fact that canibals still have less health than any enemy that will cause a problem. That was the point. Tempest vs anything that will really cause damage = crap.

That is like saying that a Geth Trooper or Geth Turret  are too easy to kill to cause a problem....

They both down you in less than a second.

The small enemies actually have the highest potential to down you on Gold.

[IonSilverbolt]

Lord Rosario wrote...

Problem is, to empty an entire clip from the tempest or geth plasma smg with both lvl 5 ammo boosts, the entire clip might bring down a hunter, rocket trooper, pyro, centurian, nemesis, murauder, etc... but on gold, sticking your head out of cover for 15-20 seconds is not even viable.

It takes less than 4 seconds to drop a Marauder on gold with a tempest. It doesn't have the one shot power of say, a carnifex, but it's much easier to setup cryo explosions and tech bursts with. 

[Lord Rosario]

Grimy Bunyip wrote...

cannibal has 2025 health on gold.
it is tied for highest unshielded health in the game.
cerberus troopers have 1687.5
geth troopers have 1856
geth hunters have 2025

honestly, obviously you are incapable of backing up any of your claims without making up false info.

And yet you keep harping on these instead of the point. Any of these enemies, if thy start shooting you at the same time you start shooting them will down you before you can kill them. On top of that, there are generally more than one of them running around, and youre also likely to be hammered by a geth prime or some other larger long range, super damaging enemy while you are trying to shoot with a dinky tempest that may or may not be abl to kill a cannibal in a few seconds.

[PoetryAvenger]

Seriously how are you claiming the Tempest is terrible when you claimed just an hour ago that the Eagle was "one of the best" in it's category?