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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

I imagine DG isn't interested in a dwarf romance because he (rightly) sees it as open to ridicule. It doesn't matter if it's the most heart-felt, moving love story ever written — a lot of people aren't going to see beyond a tall human and a short dwarf going at it without laughing.

It's one thing for you to play a dwarf and romance a non-dwarf. That's a choice you made. But imagine, if you will, Hawke bending over, picking up Varric and carrying him over her shoulder for a roll in the sack. It's just silly.


Somehow I doubt that any Dwarven Male would be unable to lift a human or elven woman. Or man. They're stocky and very fit -- much of their society has them actually doing things that would make them healthy -- and can probably easily lift a human or Elf.

Now a Kossith.... well that's another matter entirely. But it'd be one interesting romance, to say the least. The tallest non-Darkspawn race on Thedas in a romance with the shortest non-Darkspawn race, known to man.

I mean... they're basically the George Costanzas of Dragon Age. Only... not as neurotic.


A Dawrf and a Kossith hmmm brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "getting the horn":D

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A Dawrf and a Kossith hmmm brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "getting the horn"Image IPB


Ha! It also gives a new meaning to "aim for the horn", from Pokemon.

We need a DA version with that phrase.

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jbrand2002uk wrote...

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I'm only interested in Varric as a dwarf LI. There just isn't anyone else like him.


Which appeals to you more ? his silver tongue or the chest hair ?, or are you really only after him for his crossbow,she's one of a kind :D


*swoons* oh everything. The open shirt and no beard. His goofy but compassionate personality. His strawberry blonde hair. His unique back ground.....I actually made a Bianca Hawke so when he talked about the crossbow I could pretend he was talking about her lol.

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jbrand2002uk wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

I imagine DG isn't interested in a dwarf romance because he (rightly) sees it as open to ridicule. It doesn't matter if it's the most heart-felt, moving love story ever written — a lot of people aren't going to see beyond a tall human and a short dwarf going at it without laughing.

It's one thing for you to play a dwarf and romance a non-dwarf. That's a choice you made. But imagine, if you will, Hawke bending over, picking up Varric and carrying him over her shoulder for a roll in the sack. It's just silly.


Somehow I doubt that any Dwarven Male would be unable to lift a human or elven woman. Or man. They're stocky and very fit -- much of their society has them actually doing things that would make them healthy -- and can probably easily lift a human or Elf.

Now a Kossith.... well that's another matter entirely. But it'd be one interesting romance, to say the least. The tallest non-Darkspawn race on Thedas in a romance with the shortest non-Darkspawn race, known to man.

I mean... they're basically the George Costanzas of Dragon Age. Only... not as neurotic.


A Dawrf and a Kossith hmmm brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "getting the horn":D


BOOM!

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I remember the vitriol and hatred the hypothetical situation of Varric being a romance received pre-DA2 launch, some people were absolutely disgusted with the idea and compared dwarves to their husbands in real life and how they play games to escape real life and want a prince charming.

More reason to do it.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 05 juin 2012 - 11:23 .


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Dave of Canada wrote...

I remember the vitriol and hatred the hypothetical situation of Varric being a romance received pre-DA2 launch, some people were absolutely disgusted with the idea and compared dwarves to their husbands in real life and how they play games to escape real life and want a prince charming.

More reason to do it.


I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry after now discovering that actually happened.

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David Gaider wrote...

Ria wrote...
Oh, you're right! I somehow completely forgot multiple origins. So Bioware already knows how to do it. Animations have become increasingly complicated but that also means designers can do more challenging things with character models. That can't be the problem. It's an issue of values.

In DAO we were allowed to identify with dwarves but not fall in love with them (or at the very least express our emotions like with Aveline). I think it's time to break this pattern and share the love with all races of Thedas.


I really have enough to contend with regarding giving real-world genders and sexualities equal opportunity in romances without having people imply they've some right to romance all in-game races as well. I mean, come on. If you're keen to romance a dwarf, just say so. It's hardly an issue of fairness.

As for difficulty, it's not much of an issue if we know the relative heights of the models involved. A DA2 romance with Varric would have been simple enough because we know that we have one human and one dwarf involved. We didn't do it because we didn't want to-- or, rather, because we wanted to do the other romances more. End of story.


I'd like to say I think having limits on romance options is perfectly reasonable and fine. I've been playing swtor the past few months, and every class I've played so far, as a female, has only had one character available for me to romance. And I've been fine with it. Makes me realize just how spoiled we are over here in  Dragon Age Land.

Just because some people want to romance a dwarf doesn't mean a dwarf wants to romance them. Maybe a good solution would just be to give people the option to flirt with every companion (dwarves included), only to get shot down every time they do by non-romaceable characters. It'd be somewhat like real life, where you can express interest in people who are free to express their non-interest back.

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I remember the vitriol and hatred the hypothetical situation of Varric being a romance received pre-DA2 launch, some people were absolutely disgusted with the idea and compared dwarves to their husbands in real life and how they play games to escape real life and want a prince charming.

More reason to do it.


I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry after now discovering that actually happened.


LOL I wish I'd seen that! I wonder if any of them are eating their words?

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry after now discovering that actually happened.


Both. When we had Fenris revealed, some complained saying they didn't want only one "handsome" romance, they wanted two for different playthroughs.

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BubbleDncr wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Ria wrote...
Oh, you're right! I somehow completely forgot multiple origins. So Bioware already knows how to do it. Animations have become increasingly complicated but that also means designers can do more challenging things with character models. That can't be the problem. It's an issue of values.

In DAO we were allowed to identify with dwarves but not fall in love with them (or at the very least express our emotions like with Aveline). I think it's time to break this pattern and share the love with all races of Thedas.


I really have enough to contend with regarding giving real-world genders and sexualities equal opportunity in romances without having people imply they've some right to romance all in-game races as well. I mean, come on. If you're keen to romance a dwarf, just say so. It's hardly an issue of fairness.

As for difficulty, it's not much of an issue if we know the relative heights of the models involved. A DA2 romance with Varric would have been simple enough because we know that we have one human and one dwarf involved. We didn't do it because we didn't want to-- or, rather, because we wanted to do the other romances more. End of story.


I'd like to say I think having limits on romance options is perfectly reasonable and fine. I've been playing swtor the past few months, and every class I've played so far, as a female, has only had one character available for me to romance. And I've been fine with it. Makes me realize just how spoiled we are over here in  Dragon Age Land.

Just because some people want to romance a dwarf doesn't mean a dwarf wants to romance them. Maybe a good solution would just be to give people the option to flirt with every companion (dwarves included), only to get shot down every time they do by non-romaceable characters. It'd be somewhat like real life, where you can express interest in people who are free to express their non-interest back.

Well, lets just put it this way: some people play fantasy role-playing games and ... they dont want it to be like real life. They prefer to have a fantasy life, in the fantasy world, with a fantasy dwarf, regardless on the dwarf's opinion about it...Image IPB 

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Taliarus01 wrote...

Well, lets just put it this way: some people play fantasy role-playing games and ... they dont want it to be like real life. They prefer to have a fantasy life, in the fantasy world, with a fantasy dwarf, regardless on the dwarf's opinion about it...Image IPB 


That poor dwarf...

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BubbleDncr wrote...

Taliarus01 wrote...

Well, lets just put it this way: some people play fantasy role-playing games and ... they dont want it to be like real life. They prefer to have a fantasy life, in the fantasy world, with a fantasy dwarf, regardless on the dwarf's opinion about it...Image IPB 


That poor dwarf...

He will get over it Image IPB

#113
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Adding a Varric romance in DA2 would have been a better use of development time then adding that brooding anime fanservice romance (otherwise known as Fenris).

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I wouldn't mind romancing a male dwarf.As long as he's not completely intolerable or disgusting.

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David Gaider wrote...

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Why hate Dwarves?


Well, I don't actually hate dwarves. People say I do, however, so it must be true.

Still not interested in making a romance for them, however, though Varric was tempting.

... Really? Well can't Jennifer write one? You can just pretend it's not there >.>.

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BubbleDncr wrote...
Just because some people want to romance a dwarf doesn't mean a dwarf wants to romance them. Maybe a good solution would just be to give people the option to flirt with every companion (dwarves included), only to get shot down every time they do by non-romaceable characters. It'd be somewhat like real life, where you can express interest in people who are free to express their non-interest back.

That's definitely true. The title of this thread is, after all "Dwarven love interest?", not "Romanceable Dwarven Companion" Image IPB

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Still not interested in making a romance for them [Dwarves], however, though Varric was tempting.


David Gaider Doesn't care about short people!

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David Gaider wrote...

If someone needs a dwarf to soothe their jaded romantic sensibilities-- "I desire someone short for a change. Patron! Bring me a dwarf!" -- then I'm afraid I can't help them.

Because I hate dwarves. It has been spoken. B)

I got a dwarf romance anyway by rocking a female dwarf noble in origins and then romancing Alistair.

Checkmate, Mr. Gaider :ph34r:

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Direwolf0294 wrote...

Adding a Varric romance in DA2 would have been a better use of development time then adding that brooding anime fanservice romance (otherwise known as Fenris).


Haters gon' hate

I would like a dwarven love interest preferrably femalebut as long as it's not Varric. I dislike him a great deal. 

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 As far as I'm confused, the dwarves are...incredible. The men are strong, square, with their MANRY FACIAL HAIR ;{|>...and the woman are curvaceous with gorgeous deep, husky voices. (I HATED SO HARD the so-called 'sultry' voiceset on DAO's human and elven PCs - only dwarven women pulled it off!)

I was very upset to see I was playing the bland, boring, humans in DAII (I can already play a human in pretty much EVERY OTHER GAME EVER, or just by STEPPING AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER, playing a dwarf is comparitively rare)... and since all evidence is pointing towards being a human AGAIN ('we're not done with Hawke') there had BETTER be some fine dwarven craft in DA3! :wub:

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David Gaider wrote...

Ria wrote...
Oh, you're right! I somehow completely forgot multiple origins. So Bioware already knows how to do it. Animations have become increasingly complicated but that also means designers can do more challenging things with character models. That can't be the problem. It's an issue of values.

In DAO we were allowed to identify with dwarves but not fall in love with them (or at the very least express our emotions like with Aveline). I think it's time to break this pattern and share the love with all races of Thedas.


I really have enough to contend with regarding giving real-world genders and sexualities equal opportunity in romances without having people imply they've some right to romance all in-game races as well. I mean, come on. If you're keen to romance a dwarf, just say so. It's hardly an issue of fairness.

As for difficulty, it's not much of an issue if we know the relative heights of the models involved. A DA2 romance with Varric would have been simple enough because we know that we have one human and one dwarf involved. We didn't do it because we didn't want to-- or, rather, because we wanted to do the other romances more. End of story.


Thanks for answering! I suppose you're mainly referring to the sentence I bolded. It was written mostly in good humour, I'm just allergic to extensive use of emoticons.

I'm not saying you should write a romance repertory of every race, age, gender and sexual orientation for every game (though I'm definitely grateful for the inclusion of wider range of sexuality). I get that there are many reasons why relationships between different races, species, members of organizations etc. might not fit the story.

That being said, a dwarven romance just doesn't strike me as especially outlandish in the setting of Dragon Age even if the PC is an elf or a human. The races in DA appear to be fairly similar in terms of biology. Surface dwarves, city elves and humans within the realm of Chantry influence even share similar culture. There just really isn't any lore related reason I know of why dwarves should be off-limits for us in every DA game (what you imply, I presume).

There's also the issue of beauty standards, which I referred to in my previous post. You cannot deny that in DAO and DA2 different races represent (among other things) different body types. There's just almost zero variation within a specific race. This leaves us with a row of beauty pagent like romance options. I like characters for their personalities (that is, the writing) so it's not a big deal, but still, it would be nice to have some variation.

I know Bioware has been breaking ground by creating a sense of inclusion for all sorts of players. It may feel unfair that we're always demanding more. But we do that because we know most game developers are still stuck in the stone age when it comes to storytelling. 

You just got to deal with the burden of being a trailblazer. (a mandatory whimsical emoticon  ;))

Modifié par Ria, 06 juin 2012 - 11:03 .


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So far in the series:
5 human romances
3 elven romances
0 dwarf romances
I can understand why human is in the lead, but there isn't any good reason to have a multitude of elf romances and not a single dwarf one (I suspect bioware doesn't think short squat people are attractive). It would be nice, just for variety.

Modifié par AndrahilAdrian, 06 juin 2012 - 11:10 .


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Oh please, why so much griping about the fact that they're short? I like the dwarves, they're very interesting and cool... at least many of the surface dwarfies certainly are. I didn't find the notion of them having sexual relations with humans and elves comical in the least, at least not because of their height. Their many man-ness and womanly woman-ness is what makes them attractive. They're just so badass.

It wouldn't even matter so much if DA3 lets us choose races again.

P.S, I totally would trade the Fenris romance for a Varric romance.

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In DA:O we find out that the fighting tactics used by the Ash Warriors came down from a dwarven woman who fell in love with and married a human and taught him all about dwarven berserker combat. So it's not totally unheard of.
Especially in my game import, where the Warden escapes Orzammar and falls in love with Alistair Theirin. Image IPB

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 07 juin 2012 - 12:06 .


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I just want to include my support Mr. Gaider, Dwarves are my favorite race in Dragon Age. I just hope they will be playable again in the next game or having one as a romance option Let's see if we can learn more about Kal Sharok as well. =) I understand there are certain limitations when it comes to making games but I just wanted to share some of my support.
Thank you!

Modifié par BlackoutBasement, 07 juin 2012 - 12:53 .