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[ShadyKat]

I'd like to see it happen, simply because it hasn't been done before. I can't think of a single game, book or movie that had a dwarf LI in it. It would show that Bioware is at least thinking outside of the box. Human/Human and Human/Elf is done all the time, how about something different? I would have thought that Mass Effect showed that people don't mind romances with other species (Tali and Garrus), so why not have dwarves, which are just short humans?

[Sylvius the Mad]

I'm curious at to why David doesn't want to write a dwarven love interest.  I would love to see a female dwarf LI.

As mentioned earlier, DAO dwarves were sometimes really cute.

[Persephone]

David Gaider wrote...

If someone needs a dwarf to soothe their jaded romantic sensibilities-- "I desire someone short for a change. Patron! Bring me a dwarf!" -- then I'm afraid I can't help them.

Because I hate dwarves. It has been spoken.

Is that why Varric was made of awesome, yet not a LI? You are a cruel, cruel sadist, sir. Not that I do not luff some DA LIs....(Alistair, Anders, Fenris & Izzy) but you always seem to make sure that the guys I want to romance are either antagonists (Loghain) and thus not available, die (Duncan), more into murderous elves (Nathaniel), prefer a crossbow to my poor Lady Hawke (Varric) or......ARGH. You take delight in this, I am sure.

[happy_daiz]

I would never, ever romance a dwarf. I won't even play as one. I'm a terrible person, I know.

However...if Sigrun had been an LI option in Awakening, I would have considered it.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 07 juin 2012 - 06:53 .

[David Gaider]

I'm curious at to why David doesn't want to write a dwarven love interest.

I'm just not yet at the point where I feel the need to appeal to niche interests, or write romances geared specifically for those who have played so many romances that they need something different just to shake things up. I'm not specifically against it, to be honest, and had I known Varric would end up like he did I might even have planned it differently (hindsight is great that way). Regardless, I'm not seeking out dwarves to make into love interests and have no interest in starting.

It's not that complicated, is it? The question isn't "why not do it?" ...it's not as if game romances automatically manifest if there aren't enough reasons not to write them. Or maybe some people think that's how it should work. I can't really tell any more.

[Persephone]

David Gaider wrote...

I'm curious at to why David doesn't want to write a dwarven love interest.

I'm just not yet at the point where I feel the need to appeal to niche interests, or write romances geared specifically for those who have played so many romances that they need something different just to shake things up. I'm not specifically against it, to be honest, and had I known Varric would end up like he did I might even have planned it differently (hindsight is great that way). Regardless, I'm not seeking out dwarves to make into love interests and have no interest in starting.

*Stares*

Aw, c'moooooon, you knew that the chest hair and that silver tongue would be irresistible. All part of your evil master plan, sir.

[brushyourteeth]

David Gaider wrote...

I'm curious at to why David doesn't want to write a dwarven love interest.

I'm just not yet at the point where I feel the need to appeal to niche interests, or write romances geared specifically for those who have played so many romances that they need something different just to shake things up. I'm not specifically against it, to be honest, and had I known Varric would end up like he did I might even have planned it differently (hindsight is great that way). Regardless, I'm not seeking out dwarves to make into love interests and have no interest in starting.

It's not that complicated, is it? The question isn't "why not do it?" ...it's not as if game romances automatically manifest if there aren't enough reasons not to write them. Or maybe some people think that's how it should work. I can't really tell any more.

So if the muse struck, you'd totally write a dwarf character we could romance?

... and it just hasn't struck?

[nightcobra]

David Gaider wrote...

I'm curious at to why David doesn't want to write a dwarven love interest.

I'm just not yet at the point where I feel the need to appeal to niche interests, or write romances geared specifically for those who have played so many romances that they need something different just to shake things up. I'm not specifically against it, to be honest, and had I known Varric would end up like he did I might even have planned it differently (hindsight is great that way). Regardless, I'm not seeking out dwarves to make into love interests and have no interest in starting.

It's not that complicated, is it? The question isn't "why not do it?" ...it's not as if game romances automatically manifest if there aren't enough reasons not to write them. Or maybe some people think that's how it should work. I can't really tell any more.

doesn't specifically have to be you writing it does it? correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't it be possible another member of the writing team be willing to do it? now i'm curious as to who in the team would like to do one:innocent: 

[AndrahilAdrian]

David Gaider wrote...

I'm curious at to why David doesn't want to write a dwarven love interest.

I'm just not yet at the point where I feel the need to appeal to niche interests, or write romances geared specifically for those who have played so many romances that they need something different just to shake things up. I'm not specifically against it, to be honest, and had I known Varric would end up like he did I might even have planned it differently (hindsight is great that way). Regardless, I'm not seeking out dwarves to make into love interests and have no interest in starting.

It's not that complicated, is it? The question isn't "why not do it?" ...it's not as if game romances automatically manifest if there aren't enough reasons not to write them. Or maybe some people think that's how it should work. I can't really tell any more.

Let's redefine the discussion. Instead of asking for dwarven love interests in the future, I ask why there hasn't been one already, when we've had 3 elves and 5 humans? There have been 2 dwarven companions and 3 elven companions in the main 2 games. Why have 100% of the elves been romancible, but 0% of the dwarves?

Modifié par AndrahilAdrian, 07 juin 2012 - 07:39 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

David Gaider wrote...

I'm curious at to why David doesn't want to write a dwarven love interest.

I'm just not yet at the point where I feel the need to appeal to niche interests, or write romances geared specifically for those who have played so many romances that they need something different just to shake things up. I'm not specifically against it, to be honest, and had I known Varric would end up like he did I might even have planned it differently (hindsight is great that way). Regardless, I'm not seeking out dwarves to make into love interests and have no interest in starting.

It's not that complicated, is it? The question isn't "why not do it?" ...it's not as if game romances automatically manifest if there aren't enough reasons not to write them. Or maybe some people think that's how it should work. I can't really tell any more.

I wasn't really looking at dwarves as a niche interest.  They're just more characters you might want to use, and I was wondering why you were specifically avoiding them.

But apparently you're not.  You're just not specifcally selecting them, either.  That leaves you designing romances based on the specific merits of individual characters, which is exactly the sort of thing I would hope you would do.

[Vormaerin]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

Let's redefine the discussion. Instead of asking for dwarven love interests in the future, I ask why there hasn't been one already, when we've had 3 elves and 5 humans? There have been 2 dwarven companions and 3 elven companions in the main 2 games. Why have 100% of the elves been romancible, but 0% of the dwarves?

Because the genre conventions include the idea that elves and humans get along in that fashion.  There's no such convention about dwarves.

It used to be that your dwarf PCs couldn't romance anyone at all.  In DA:O, the dwarf PC has options with various characters, so that's an improvement.  Having an NPC dwarf to romance is yet another stretch.

Frankly, I'm just happy we finally got an interesting dwarf companion (Varric) instead of the usual drunkard thugs we generally get.

[brushyourteeth]

I think dwarves look snuggly. And I have a thing for beards.

If DAIII does, in fact, include the awesome beards we've been promised for humans, I'd be willing to accept the oversight of dwarf lovin'.

[FaWa]

Vormaerin wrote...

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

Let's redefine the discussion. Instead of asking for dwarven love interests in the future, I ask why there hasn't been one already, when we've had 3 elves and 5 humans? There have been 2 dwarven companions and 3 elven companions in the main 2 games. Why have 100% of the elves been romancible, but 0% of the dwarves?

Frankly, I'm just happy we finally got an interesting dwarf companion (Varric) instead of the usual drunkard thugs we generally get.

Give this man a medal. 
And first of all, I think in terms of resources, it would just be better to make a male dwarf romance because I really dont see the average guy going after a dwarf gal. -I could be wrong- I just know nothing about how straight guys choose their girls other than boobs. 
Lets start with Female Dwarves existing. 

[hussey 92]

FaWa wrote...
 
I really dont see the average guy going after a dwarf gal. -I could be wrong. 

Show me one guy that doesn't want to jump Sigrun and I will show you a liar

Modifié par hussey 92, 09 juin 2012 - 01:34 .

[FaWa]

Speaking of Sigrun,

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

There have been 2 dwarven companions 

Modifié par FaWa, 09 juin 2012 - 01:56 .

[brushyourteeth]

hussey 92 wrote...

FaWa wrote...
 
I really dont see the average guy going after a dwarf gal. -I could be wrong. 

Show me one guy that doesn't want to jump Sigrun and I will show you a liar

Look at this concept art for DAII dwarves - isn't she adorable? I just want to snuggle her and I'm straight as straight gets.
I'm 5' tall and built like this and I get hit on about as much as the next girl.


https://encrypted-tb...k-zcV_xBRpTxihg

Though I totally LOL'd at your thing about not knowing what straight men like - hilarious!

**edit** okay, not quite like that. Those hips are just... wow.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 09 juin 2012 - 06:07 .

[t003]

David Gaider wrote...

I'm curious at to why David doesn't want to write a dwarven love interest.

I'm just not yet at the point where I feel the need to appeal to niche interests, or write romances geared specifically for those who have played so many romances that they need something different just to shake things up. I'm not specifically against it, to be honest, and had I known Varric would end up like he did I might even have planned it differently (hindsight is great that way). Regardless, I'm not seeking out dwarves to make into love interests and have no interest in starting.

It's not that complicated, is it? The question isn't "why not do it?" ...it's not as if game romances automatically manifest if there aren't enough reasons not to write them. Or maybe some people think that's how it should work. I can't really tell any more.

Yet you and Hepler do feel the need to turn every character bisexual to pander to other niche audiences, weather it negatively affects the writing or not.

[celestial_emperor]

I thought the Leliana and Dwarf Warden romance scenes from Origins were really adorable...

SlyviustheMad's dwarf Warden is very very cute! Actually reminds me of a friend of mind.

[celestial_emperor]

t003 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

I'm curious at to why David doesn't want to write a dwarven love interest.

I'm just not yet at the point where I feel the need to appeal to niche interests, or write romances geared specifically for those who have played so many romances that they need something different just to shake things up. I'm not specifically against it, to be honest, and had I known Varric would end up like he did I might even have planned it differently (hindsight is great that way). Regardless, I'm not seeking out dwarves to make into love interests and have no interest in starting.

It's not that complicated, is it? The question isn't "why not do it?" ...it's not as if game romances automatically manifest if there aren't enough reasons not to write them. Or maybe some people think that's how it should work. I can't really tell any more.

Yet you and Hepler do feel the need to turn every character bisexual to pander to other niche audiences, whether it negatively affects the writing or not.

That can come off as pretty insulting, t003. Wanting LGB romances is not a "niche," there are plenty of LGBT gamers out here and we're pretty happy that Bioware's writers so far have been really cool about developing characters that reflect ourselves.

Considering that the original Mass Effect caused so much controversy internationally because there were a lot of homophobic people who were just not down with a "lesbian sex scene" with an alien.  It would have been a lot easier for them to cookie cut everyone, but they didn't.

[Angrywolves]

I had an Aeducan female warden involved with Leliana.
The kissing was ridiculous as Leliana had to bend way down to kiss her.
I think Gaider's real fear is someone will mistake dwarves for children.
Some right wing news outfit lol.

[Secretlyapotato]

eww no, humans, elves and qunari only

dwarves deserve no love

[musicalfrog7]

I would love a dwarven love interest. Male or female. Don't care. I'm a total dwarf fangirl.
It's not that race is a deciding factor for romances. But it's more that, well, we have multiple races in game. So why only make romances about humans and elves?

But I admit, I don't really like humans and elves and any chance I get to not play one in any game I will happily take. I'm clamoring for more dwarf content in general.

[Secretlyapotato]

I changed my mind.

Since female dwarves are now going to be playable, I would like a Varric romance. =)

[Regan Cousland]

Jarvia (Berrat's right-hand woman) and Varric are very attractive dwarves.

It's all about their confidence and their voice actors.

I'm all for a dwarven LI. OK, most people will still romance someone their own height, but aren't BioWare games supposed to be all about options?

Leaving something out because most people won't do it is stupid. Why not just write a totally scripted adventure game if you're only going to leave the most stereotypical paths available to players.

Oh ... and in DA:I, Varric should tell the story of how Bianca got her name to whoever romances him, and no-one else.

Modifié par Regan Cousland, 25 août 2013 - 12:54 .

[Regan Cousland]

Secretlyapotato wrote...

eww no, humans, elves and qunari only

dwarves deserve no love

So the really tall people with strange faces, zero sense of humour and giant horns deserve love, but the perfecty normal-looking dwarves deserve no love because they're short? I say booo to that.

Everyone deserves love.  

Edit: Oh, I see you changed your mind, Secretlyapotato. But I still want more than dwarf only romances. Humans/elven PCs who like dwarves should get to romance them, the same way a dwarven PC will be able to romance other races, I'm sure. 

Modifié par Regan Cousland, 25 août 2013 - 01:43 .