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[radtz]

I got ticked the other day when I got teabagged by the whole team. I was playing as a Phoenix Vanguard and I am terrible at it. It was my third match on bronze with this guy. I died in wave 2 and one of the players came and started attacking my half dead body instead of reviving me. I was the only one with a mic on of course and I asked what the deal was. The next time I died they all came and attacked me in the middle of the match and no one revived me. One of them died...they revived him.

I am proud to say that I still finished the match even though I wanted to rage quit in the worst way.

My other peave was a bronze match and I was one of 2 melee Vorchas. I, being the good wolfman, stayed in the hack zone with the other 2 guys while this vorcha went around the map karate chopping everyone without even once entering the hack zone. I realize it was a bronze map but seriously?

[Drakham]

ellipticwhistle wrote...

I ALWAYS go for the revive. Sometimes even use a missile for it on Gold.

Why? We all make mistakes, plus sometimes the game can serve us up so rather bad bugs, glitches and general failure which causes death.

If they are a BAD player, the only way they will get better is playing, which they can't do if arrogant people never revive them

I also find it hilarious that most of the people who refuse to revive vanguards are usually infiltrators who rely on hiding and not drawing aggro to function at maximum potential. INSTEAD of mocking the vanguard who happens to go down because his charge won't lock on due to a GLITCH that isn't his/her fault, think I am THANKFUL that they are doing their job (soaking damage) so I can do my job (killing targets, reviving under cloak)

Not reviving is childish and rude in a co-op game. By all means try and clear the area around them first, but don't leave them to bleed out over some principle you devised with the sole intention of feeding your inner sadism.

 
i like this point of view but i feel that the animation of drawing the missile launcher is so slow that its usually faster to just go to cover close and revive or to stagger/satsis them or such and then use that small time window to revive.
On the other hand you sometimes just die yourself and feel bad because you revived someone else or you revived but got killed yourself.

Sometimes i think its the gesture that counts. Because if its fun or not is not just decided by succes but also by how we act.
I mean arnt we suposed to be heroes? Do heroes act that way and diss someone? or do they are heroic and revive their camerades?
Personally i prefer the feeling of being heroic even if it means sometimes i go down...

How about you?

[Aeokyn]

My friend and I call it the "Do Not Revive list"
Typically we wait until wave 2 to decide, based on how character is playing.
Lack of common sense pretty much gets you there

[WARMACHINE9]

I don't revive people who run around the map disrupting spawn control and charging head long into death. Its annoying and just because they want to put the team and mission in danger doesn't mean Iwant to make it worse by going down too. This extends to me and my friends as in "sorry guys I over extended don't come get me it's not worth it/theres a banshee/phantom/turret/ravager sitting on my body". I'd rather go down and bleed out than endanger the rest of the squad.  oh and those in the revive them so they can learn and get better camp need to realise that if you get them up your just fostering bad gameplay, not helping them get better.

Modifié par WARMACHINE9, 05 juin 2012 - 06:26 .

[Minic78]

Aeokyn wrote...

My friend and I call it the "Do Not Revive list"
Typically we wait until wave 2 to decide, based on how character is playing.
Lack of common sense pretty much gets you there

I can never judge somebody's skill until the round's over, since a player who seems to have no common sense may, as people have stated, be having some lag issues or any number of accidental problems. I think one full game is about enough for a rough estimate, though.

Modifié par Minic78, 05 juin 2012 - 06:24 .

[ABjerre]

Kataigida wrote...

Has anyone else had a moment like this? Where you are just so annoyed with someone that you basically just said (on or off the mic) "I'm not reviving him."

I have on several ocations experienced the feeling, a few times acutally let him bleed to death, and a couple of times told someone directly: "i'm going to let you die because you are a greater benefit to me on the floor than you are alive"

[arc_gabriel_]

You understand that it's a full fail if your full team doesn't make it? And it cost points if a team member is out? Seriously there are ones I don't understand when it comes to the term 'Team Work' Also when you revive a fallen member you get rewarded for how many times you do it, so as for me if someone falls in my branch of members I would be the 'Heroic' Solider and safe that guy/girl from being out of the battle. It's important to me when playing in the higher difficulties to have a full team.
& yes I know there are ones out there that just do the idiotic play through just for kicks but there are serious players too everyone just needs to learn to get along when playing along with others online.

[MannedTunic58]

I actually put myself in the level 12 vanguard's position on FBWGG yesterday by accident, and was pretty damn pissed when my team mates didn't revive me.

I was testing a level 20 batarian soldier with a carniflex and no grenades, which I realized early on is a really bad combination for FBWGG. I tried to make the most of it by holding down the interior stairway, but everyone thought I was an idiot and ceased to revive me.

It was definitely my bad for choosing that character and not wearing a mic, but it was still annoying as hell. I could have been very useful in later waves when the enemies tend to swarm up closer.

I understand your frustration, but if someone is 5 feet away I feel like you should still revive them if you can do so without dying.

Edit: I should add that I will never revive someone like this who has been zooming across the map and dying consistently. I'll only do so if they are staying with the team, because then at least they are trying.

Kataigida wrote...

Has anyone else had a moment like this? Where you are just so annoyed with someone that you basically just said (on or off the mic) "I'm not reviving him."

Normally I don't get to frustrated with other gamers, but the other day I was having a particularly bad day, and decided to farm on FBWGG so that I could get some credits and buy some jumbo equipment packs to replenish my medi-gel. In the lobby, I was waiting for a little while for people to join (hosting the match) and the third person to join was...

A lvl 12 human male vanguard. With an n7 rating of 60, using a Saber 1. And no equipment.

My immediate(sp?) thought was 'oh hell no' and I quickly hit the 'kick' button, as did the second person in the group. The fourth person on the other hand, an SI, decided not to kick, and instead hit the 'ready' button just like the vanguard. Eventually the second person in the team hit the 'ready' button so I said to f*ck it and started the match.

The first ten seconds of the game everyone ran to the bottom of the map like you should, and jumped behind the counter. However, five seconds after the enemies spawned, the vanguard decided to hop the counter and run forward and around the corner, and try to go up the stairs.

I am being completely serious when I say that he died as soon as he rounded the corner. Got up maybe one or two steps, and not a single enemy had been killed yet.

I was annoyed enough that I actually turned on my mic just to say 'Well I'm not going to revive him.' By that point the vanguard was talkiing on the mic, but he had one of those annoying kid/teen voices and I didn't even bother to listen to what he was saying as I covered our one ally (the SI I think, who was probably his buddy) hop the counter to revive the little idiot.

In the end, after talking for a while longer on the mic (and me still not listening to what he was saying) he eventually said 'good bye' and quit as the second wave started.

We then proceeded to have a good game after that.

Has anyone else had a similiar experience? Because I don't feel any remorse over what I said/not going to revive the guy. 

Modifié par MannedTunic58, 05 juin 2012 - 06:34 .

[WARMACHINE9]

arc_gabriel_ wrote...

You understand that it's a full fail if your full team doesn't make it? And it cost points if a team member is out? Seriously there are ones I don't understand when it comes to the term 'Team Work' Also when you revive a fallen member you get rewarded for how many times you do it, so as for me if someone falls in my branch of members I would be the 'Heroic' Solider and safe that guy/girl from being out of the battle. It's important to me when playing in the higher difficulties to have a full team.
& yes I know there are ones out there that just do the idiotic play through just for kicks but there are serious players too everyone just needs to learn to get along when playing along with others online.

I agree but going out and getting the TEAM into a WORSE situation because someone made a bad decision is just as bad as not rezing someone right next to you. I'd rather have the creds than the points to be honest too. If its a choice between hurting the team to get them or doing something that matters I choose the latter.

[WYLDMAXX]

I play by the golden rule "Do to others as you would have them do unto you." so if the tactical situation warrants a safe revive then I will but if the player got into a sticky situation with the likely hood of me burning through the medigel then I won't risk it.

[Variasaber]

I haven't seen a Novaguard in ages.

I only fail to revive people if there's too many enemies around or if I'm too far away, but usually if I'm close enough and they're not getting swarmed, someone else gets them first anyway. Damn framerate.

It's good to let them know over the mic that you're coming for them, that way they don't give up waiting and use medigel.

In a match last night and another this morning, I wasn't able to safely revive teammates so I ended up soloing the wave. Both were successful, but during one of them one of my dead teammates got bored and left 

Modifié par Variasaber, 05 juin 2012 - 06:52 .

[SlimJim0725]

@arc_gabriel_: If they refuse to be a helpful teammate why should I risk going down myself for them? If a person is clearly giving their best effort I will make the best (yet reasonable) effort I can to revive. However, in the match I mentioned I had to use two missile launchers on wave 3 hack to revive 3 teammates once and 2 the second time. I was down to 1 missile on wave 10 and so was my friend, kill targets comes up and we kill the first 2, neither of them could be bothered to use even 1 of theirs and my friend and I had to take down 2 more Primes on Glacier with Pyros and Hunters chasing us. Never again will I help players like that, would rather fail and find helpful ones.

[toastar]

I did that once, we had a gold game on Hydra versus cerberus with two 4x objectives on 6 and 10 and once particular Asari, who had a mike an spoke english, followed me around despite me screaming and begging and cursing him to stop, always throwing up that stupid bubble and turning each objective into a formidable kill zone.

After I burned through 3 missiles on the first 2 objectives on wave 6 I decided to let the blue bugger bleed out, as it so happens, the other 2 objectives were a breeze.

I spent wave 7,8 and 9 explaining him the concept of spawns and why you should never follow the infiltrator, but he wouldn't listen, he wasn't impolite as such or anything, he just disagreed and argued in the most boneheaded fashion possible.

Come round 10, the dance continues, this time I let the the Asari die first, Atlas & The Phantom Girls be thanked, missile the place afterwards, cap the objective and go on.

He ragequit after that.
On round 10.

[Minic78]

Variasaber wrote...

I haven't seen a Novaguard in ages.

I only fail to revive people if there's too many enemies around or if I'm too far away, but usually if I'm close enough and they're not getting swarmed, someone else gets them first anyway. Damn framerate.

It's good to let them know over the mic that you're coming for them, that way they don't give up waiting and use medigel.

In a match last night and another this morning, I wasn't able to safely revive teammates so I ended up soloing the wave. Both were successful, but during one of them one of my dead teammates got bored and left 

I've seen a decline in vanguards as well. Guess novaguard was just the thing at the time.

And the few vanguards I do see make the mistake of not hosting and charging off the map.

[arc_gabriel_]

WARMACHINE9 wrote...

arc_gabriel_ wrote...

You understand that it's a full fail if your full team doesn't make it? And it cost points if a team member is out? Seriously there are ones I don't understand when it comes to the term 'Team Work' Also when you revive a fallen member you get rewarded for how many times you do it, so as for me if someone falls in my branch of members I would be the 'Heroic' Solider and safe that guy/girl from being out of the battle. It's important to me when playing in the higher difficulties to have a full team.
& yes I know there are ones out there that just do the idiotic play through just for kicks but there are serious players too everyone just needs to learn to get along when playing along with others online.

I agree but going out and getting the TEAM into a WORSE situation because someone made a bad decision is just as bad as not rezing someone right next to you. I'd rather have the creds than the points to be honest too. If its a choice between hurting the team to get them or doing something that matters I choose the latter.

Well I agree if the person keeps falling down in attempts of being idiotic and running into the horde of the enemines then yes let them stay down cause its pointless to run in and get your self killed, but let's say there is no enemies around them at the time you can bring them back for good measures. There are times you can see if it's worth a save or not and I know this in point to what I said before some times it's best to show curtiousy to online friends or even unknown online players you just met. Then just appearing as a non-helpful player. 

[Rifneno]

Kataigida wrote...

Has anyone else had a moment like this? Where you are just so annoyed with someone that you basically just said (on or off the mic) "I'm not reviving him."

Normally I don't get to frustrated with other gamers, but the other day I was having a particularly bad day, and decided to farm on FBWGG so that I could get some credits and buy some jumbo equipment packs to replenish my medi-gel. In the lobby, I was waiting for a little while for people to join (hosting the match) and the third person to join was...

A lvl 12 human male vanguard. With an n7 rating of 60, using a Saber 1. And no equipment.

My immediate(sp?) thought was 'oh hell no' and I quickly hit the 'kick' button, as did the second person in the group. The fourth person on the other hand, an SI, decided not to kick, and instead hit the 'ready' button just like the vanguard. Eventually the second person in the team hit the 'ready' button so I said to f*ck it and started the match.

The first ten seconds of the game everyone ran to the bottom of the map like you should, and jumped behind the counter. However, five seconds after the enemies spawned, the vanguard decided to hop the counter and run forward and around the corner, and try to go up the stairs.

I am being completely serious when I say that he died as soon as he rounded the corner. Got up maybe one or two steps, and not a single enemy had been killed yet.

I was annoyed enough that I actually turned on my mic just to say 'Well I'm not going to revive him.' By that point the vanguard was talkiing on the mic, but he had one of those annoying kid/teen voices and I didn't even bother to listen to what he was saying as I covered our one ally (the SI I think, who was probably his buddy) hop the counter to revive the little idiot.

In the end, after talking for a while longer on the mic (and me still not listening to what he was saying) he eventually said 'good bye' and quit as the second wave started.

We then proceeded to have a good game after that.

Has anyone else had a similiar experience? Because I don't feel any remorse over what I said/not going to revive the guy. 

OMG.  Was this on PC?  This morning?  I think I joined that lobby for a moment.  I took one look at the lowbie vanguard, said to myself "this will not end well..." and left.

As for the original question, people have to be just massive tools for me to not bother reviving them.  The only example I can think of off-hand is the number of krogan I've met lately who melee banshees.  I don't mean they take an occasional desperation shot or a well timed one during a long animation, I mean the ones whose first, last, and only solution to any and all problems is headbutting.  I appreciate the sentiment, my giant mutant turtle friends, really I do.  But there are occasional times when you should back off and fire that big clunky thing you attached a blade to.

[Slojack]

Just like baseball you get 3 strikes. On strike 3 it depends on how close I am, after that youre f-ing out

Edit.  3 Strike rule only applies in early rounds.

Modifié par Slojack, 05 juin 2012 - 07:14 .

[Decoy B]

I generally try to revive anyone I can when it's safe since an annoying person drawing fire is still a person drawing fire. The people that I don't feel I should revive are the one's that normally aren't safe anyway, going across maps on silver or gold before the spawns start or completely avoiding hack zones to try to get more kills. And as far as the standing on corpses to kill enemies and not reviving, that's kind of situational, I'll normally try to kill the enemies that downed the person but will only revive if I think I can pull it off without dying.

The only people I never revive are glitching vanguards since they'll just end up in space anyway. Had this happen to me the other day when I actually believed the patch had fixed anything, managed to take out a prime with a rocket from orbit but lost control completely after that. Has anyone ever re-synced when they died and came back on the next wave?

Modifié par Decoy B, 05 juin 2012 - 07:14 .

[SlimJim0725]

@Minic78: I like to play novaguard every now and then, but will only risk it if I know I have another biotic or 2 with me that will set BEs up. The class just doesn't seem useful unless I can constantly detonate and too many players are so worried about their own score than teamwork.

[SinnSly]

Oh yes..

Earlier today I was working on killing a Brute for 2 minutes with my Asari Adept, was using Biotic Explosions and the Reegar, then this idiot comes in from accross the map, kills the Brute and f*cks off.

I told him "p*ss off Slug" over the mic and refused to revive him for the rest of the match.

After we kicked him he sends me a messgae saying "haha you brats are all the same"

[SanguineRose]

I don't usually mic chat, but this one guy kept shooting and punching me between matches like he had some sort of problem with me. When he finally went down, I shot his corpse. Got the message across, because he immediately ragequit.

[N7-RedFox]

Kataigida wrote...

Has anyone else had a moment like this? Where you are just so annoyed with someone that you basically just said (on or off the mic) "I'm not reviving him."

Has anyone else had a similiar experience? Because I don't feel any remorse over what I said/not going to revive the guy. 

Yup i've done this. I usually give people the benefit of the doubt the first 3 times and revive them. Then when i consistently see some idiot solo artist running up the map miles away from his allies and getting killed i just think "forget it. I'm putting myself and the rest of the team in more danger if i leave the pack."

[SinnSly]

SanguineRose wrote...

I don't usually mic chat, but this one guy kept shooting and punching me between matches like he had some sort of problem with me. When he finally went down, I shot his corpse. Got the message across, because he immediately ragequit.

Do that to peopel who do it to me, I stand there shooting their corpses. >:I

[SanguineRose]

I also refuse to revive people who don't revive me when I go down. And I mean when I'm right there and they're standing over me, like it's so hard to just pick my bleeding ass up.

[SinnSly]

SanguineRose wrote...

I also refuse to revive people who don't revive me when I go down. And I mean when I'm right there and they're standing over me, like it's so hard to just pick my bleeding ass up.

*puts a bandage on your bleeding ass*