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[Awpknivez]

 I have a much bigger problem with infiltrators recently.

I was a Vanguard. We were on FBW versus Cerberus. We had a retarded Quarian (female) infiltrator on our team who only has the Geth Pulse Rifle. So she died and I revived her. We were at that area with the L-shaped turn where there's a ramp to a balcony, another ramp that leads to the jet, and a ladded parallel to the ramp that leads to the jet, and the corner had like a wall that faced the bottom balcony.

So I was firing down upon the troopers near the jet. One guy was excecuted by a phantom (I killed her later). And the Infiltrator died and I revived her. As soon as I was finished, I died. And instead of reviving me, the QI GOES UP THE LADDER AND BEGINS SPRAYING HIS RIFLE LIKE A NOOB INSTEAD OF CLOAK > REVIVING ME!

So I die, then another teammate dies and the infiltrator refuses to revive the other teammate. But instead, the Infiltrator misses like a moron. So he tries to go invisible, but dies before the he could fully cloak.

This was wave 10.

I raged.

Ending score I was first and had around 30,000. 3rd place had 23,000. The infiltrator (who was 4th) had around 12,000.

Modifié par Awpknivez, 06 juin 2012 - 12:58 .

[drmoose00]

Slimjim0725 wrote...

@Lemon00: That was a reference to Finnegone's post above the one you are referring to. I can' quote on this tablet sadly, so it was a bit unclear. They said "always revive and set an example." I can agree up until about wave 3 or 6 when you see what kind of player they really are. Anyone unwilling to use a medi-gel or missile to help on a credit wave deserves to sit and watch on non-objective waves as well.

ahh. well, I agree, there is some point at which I say - no sorry you are on your own. I mean, if they are right next to me  I will revive, but I won't run into trouble, even as an infilthy, if they keep doing stupid stuff...

[Finnegone]

Aiyie wrote...

Finnegone wrote...

Aiyie wrote...

3rd death in as many waves? yea... "sorry dude, i'm all outta give a ****... you're on your own from now on."

after that i just use him as bait... he goes this way, i go the other way and shoot, in the back, every bad guy he has attracted like flies to a pile of crap.

if he can't kill anyone on his own without being killed... he can at least make a decent decoy.

That's a poor attitude, frankly. I don't mean any personal offence, but people have bad waves. Just because someone dies a few times does not, by any means, indicate that they're either a bad player or have little of value to add.

I played with a soldier on gold sporting a striker and a reegar. Very high risk style, lots of death. Sill contributed significantly to the kill count at the end of the day, which is all that really matters. Some people want to be turrets; if they're good at it, let them have at it - just be prepared to do some minimal maintenance. So long as they end up contributing to achieving your objectives by wave 10, they're ok in my book

oh, i get bad waves.  i don't get multiple bad waves in a row.

the kid who eats too many marbles shouldn't get to grow up and have kids of his own.  and im not talking about the high-risk/high-reward type players... im talking about the players whose playstyle should allow them to live and still contribute... you know, the ones who are just plain bad.  i.e. the turret type players who still keep eating rockets to the grill even while taking cover.

its one thing to have a bad wave... its another thing entirely to continually repeat the same mistakes over and over again.

once you do that... you're no longer useful to helping the team reach extraction except as a decoy to get the bad guys to turn their backs on the people who can actually kill them without dying every single wave.

I don't know about this. To use your metaphor, I think we were all once kids who ate too many marbles. Someone, at some point, had to take the marbles away. You argue that the kids should choke; I believe that more experienced players should be mature enough to prop up newer players, because someone, at some point, did that for you. But whatever.

[SnakeEyes]

Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

Firebase Glacier. Batarian teammate. Thought he was badass. He was. Mostly. Tearing **** up. But he never once revived anyone. I was playing a Krogan Soldier, and was unfortunate enough to be caught off guard by a husk. It grabbed me and I got downed by a ravager. He walked right past my corpse, even though he could have revived at no risk to himself. This happened several times throughout the match, where everyone else went out of their way to revive him.

So finally on wave 8, I let him bleed out, and started killing things while standing on his corpse. :3

Revenge'd! 

[Digitalis32]

BoomDynamite wrote...

YOU.. YOU BAD TEAMMATE!
I only do that when they run into five turrets and a Phantom, but not something like that.

no, that's fair.

Vanguards are more likely to get into that situation especially with Biotic charge. Even with my Krogan battlemaster I can get myself into a difficult situation that if I have chosen a different character I would not have. the real advantage of Biotic charge is that you are invulnerable when you are using it, so it is a great way to get the hell out of dodge.

[Sinapus]

"WHY HAVEN'T YOU COME SAVE ME?!" "BECAUSE THERE'S AN *ATLAS* RIGHT NEXT TO YOU!!!"

[SlimJim0725]

@Finnegone: How is it "wasting" missiles or medi-gel when your TEAM is getting backed into a corner by your play? A couple bad waves is no big deal, but when we have 25 revives between 2 players by wave 5 that are also the only ones willing to use equipement and killing 3/4's the enemies because you are constantly down, then yes I can say the ones going down are bad players. I am more than willing to go out of my way to help a player giving a legit effort, but I am not going to baby a person that clearly does not belong there in a pick up game where you should have a general knowledge of the game.

Trying to stasis bubble primes on gold? Not just once, but at least 2 seperate primes with 4+ attempts. Give me a break, that player clearly belongs in silver at best (being very generous) and watching someone move around and picking up some good habits on surviving is much better for them than standing in the open maybe getting off 2 or 3 shots before going down again and always expecting someone to navigate crowds of enemies to get them. It would have been another thing had they used their mics asking for advice, but they did not speak once.

[SlimJim0725]

I should also clear something up, this is all based in gold. Bronze or silver I have no issue with it because I believe thse to be the learning grounds. I will always attempt a revive even in tight spots and I will rarely use medi-gel (lack of going down) or missiles (not much need in anything under gold). If you come into gold though, you should be prepared and know your powers (these were both over n7 200).

[vonSlash]

I'll revive anyone who isn't surrounded by enemies, isn't a Novaguard, isn't a pure melee character, and isn't suicidally aggressive.

[reioni]

Yeah was doing a FBWGG today with a buddy and a N7R40 level 19 Vanguard joins. No equipment. I said I'm not sure (whatever his name was) if you've done this beforre but you might not want to do this on a vanguard. He and his buddy rage quit the party....My buddy and I were relieved....

However, yes there have been times where i've said I'm not reviving that guy.
For example: I was on a Bronze on my Krogan Vanguard...knew it would be an interesting game cus wave 1 everyone else died at least once. (It was bronze...I was a Vanguard...I wasnt babysitting them...i know i'm a bad person lol).

By wave 3 we had a Kill Target Objective. I have no idea what the rest of the team was doing. I spent my time running back and forth between killing the targets and reviving the rest of the team which was on the other side of the map from the objectives. By the last target the whole darn team (except myself) in 3 different corners of the map were down and we had 20 seconds left to finish. I picked the obvious choice and killed the target (which was right next to me) and then started to run to pick up team mates. Well i get to the last guy who was completely across the map. It was some dude that had spent pretty much the majority of the map dieing and screaming though his mic at everyone. I hit the revive button, I take cover...of course..i hit it again ...his timer runs out...he dies and rages like you would not believe...

Next round starts...he dies first few seconds cus he runs head first in to a group of pyros, rages, and I said to myself "I'm not getting him". One of the other guys goes and tries to revive him and dies. I feel bad and i go get to get both of them. The other team mate joins us at the spot where I revived the other 2. I decide to be nice and baby sit so I carnage, make close range biotic jumps, and pew pew with everyone.

WELL he decided he was pro (or so he told us) and wondered off. To no ones great suprise he dies on the other side of the map. i think to myself "Ok for real i'm not getting him this time"...but thankfully before it became obvious i was gonna just let him die, he screams some interesting allegations about our mothers and rage quits....

So the moral of the story? I Dont think saying "I'm not gonna revive that guy" is always unreasonable.

Modifié par reioni, 06 juin 2012 - 02:09 .

[Sinapus]

Reviving bad players has one advantage: It gives the enemy another target to shoot at.

Otherwise, if they're way far away and tons of enemies are around him, it's best to not try. (My previous posting was from a silver match I was in a few weeks ago. Yeah, charge up into the middle of a bunch of enemies and wonder why no one revives you when you die.)

[Star fury]

During random games I revive only people who showed their worth for the team. I can make dangerous runs tying to save them. But if somebody dies a lot and is not contributing in any meaningful way, so they bleed out, or I revive when it's completely safe for me.
Private games are completely different.

Modifié par Star fury, 06 juin 2012 - 02:19 .

[TeamLexana]

I refused to revive one of my freinds the other day, lol. He was using the new vangaurd and kept charging freaking ravangers. Everytime he was down, he was in another pile of the green goo because he just HAD to charge that ravanger. I told him if he did it again, I'm not reviving him, sure enough, he did it again and was then forced to sit and watch us play, lol.

[LULZferBAKON]

Iezza wrote...

Vanguards.

We rush through the most hellish conditions to revive everyone else, and this is the thanks we get?

[Nolixe]

LULZferBAKON wrote...
We rush through the most hellish conditions to revive everyone else, and this is the thanks we get?

^ This.
As a vanguard I do revive people surounded by multiple Pyros, Primes and Hunters. If you play Vanguard right, there is no such thing as a suicidal charge, it's a matter of staying alive