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[nightcobra]

i don't mind bi-characters but i'd like to see a few things done differently, let's say like...i'd like to see love interests that are at first straight or gay and throughout the story, slowly but surely, they would warm up to the idea of a hetero/homosexual relationship, harder to get than if the PC was of their preferred gender but still possible.

[LolaLei]

wsandista wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

wsandista wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Cultist wrote...

We'll get all-bi all-approving companions once again.
BioWare have no courage to cut LGBT completely out of the game.

and here we have the heart...I hope every dragon age entry has all romances available to all genders.I shouldn't have to get a mod to romance characters like morrigan because of hatred and prejudices like the above quoted.

Makes no sense does it when you had Zevren and Leliana in the same game. You can't romance Morrigan because she does not swing that way. That's who Morrigan is.

Of course the herat of the "all-bi is great" is that those players want to have the game world conform to their PCs so that no one dislikes their PC. The idea that having someone dislike their PCs is just too much for them to bear, so the world must be changed so everyone loves their PC. DA shoiuld include actual homosexual LIs who simply aren't interested in PCs of the opposite sex because that is just who the LI is. BTW, DA still hasn't had a homosexual LI, so I can assume that the all-bi LI camp doesn't want homosexuals to be LIs.<_<

Well not long after this thread started someone was saying how they wanted to romance Alistair as a guy. And I asked "does Alistair not get a say in it" to which he replied "nope".

If I'm anti anything, it's anti the NPC characters becoming fantasy playmates just because players want it.

Absolutely, the characters and the world should not change to accomodate the desires of the player. I don't know why this has suddenly become controversial, in fact getting rejected by a homosexual(or heterosexual) companion could lead to some great dialogue. 

Or you could have all the bisexual companions turn you down if they don't like your personality or agree with the way you do things. That way everyone is potentially romanceable but may not be interested in your character if they don't like the way you behave.

[Ryzaki]

BobSmith101 wrote...
Well not long after this thread started someone was saying how they wanted to romance Alistair as a guy. And I asked "does Alistair not get a say in it" to which he replied "nope".

If I'm anti anything, it's anti the NPC characters becoming fantasy playmates just because players want it.

Oh yes so Alistair instead romancing my bloodmage who gleefully sold Connor's soul to a demon and sold elves into slaver to a Tevinter magister is clearly him not being a fantasy playmate and UBER TRUE TO THE CHARACTER! Leliana romancing that same gal? True to her character. Morrigan falling in love with a magic hating uptight templar that blatantly says she should be culled with the rest of the mages? Welp she's not a fantasy playmate clearly!

Come on now. Let's not pretend DAO was some pinncale of companions being who they were without being shaped by the PC. It wasn't.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 juin 2012 - 03:49 .

[Ryzaki]

wsandista wrote...
Absolutely, the characters and the world should not change to accomodate the desires of the player. I don't know why this has suddenly become controversial, in fact getting rejected by a homosexual(or heterosexual) companion could lead to some great dialogue. 

Oh you should hate DAO then since you can "soften" Morrigan and "harden" both Leliana and Alistair! That's changing to accomdate the PCs to the desire of the player. Or does that only matter when it comes to sexuality? 

Not really. It leads to a one sentence "I don't swing that way." before the PC is relegated to friend mode. How interesting! *yawns*

[Emzamination]

wsandista wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Cultist wrote...

We'll get all-bi all-approving companions once again.
BioWare have no courage to cut LGBT completely out of the game.

and here we have the heart...I hope every dragon age entry has all romances available to all genders.I shouldn't have to get a mod to romance characters like morrigan because of hatred and prejudices like the above quoted.

Makes no sense does it when you had Zevren and Leliana in the same game. You can't romance Morrigan because she does not swing that way. That's who Morrigan is.

Of course the herat of the "all-bi is great" is that those players want to have the game world conform to their PCs so that no one dislikes their PC. The idea that having someone dislike their PCs is just too much for them to bear, so the world must be changed so everyone loves their PC. DA shoiuld include actual homosexual LIs who simply aren't interested in PCs of the opposite sex because that is just who the LI is. BTW, DA still hasn't had a homosexual LI, so I can assume that the all-bi LI camp doesn't want homosexuals to be LIs.<_<

Or maybe the heart of "all bi" is not having the prejudices lgbt face in reality pushed on them in a fantasy setting they pay for equally the same as you.Everyone should be able to romance who they want and shape their worlds how they want in their games without restriction equally.

[wsandista]

Ryzaki wrote...

wsandista wrote...
Absolutely, the characters and the world should not change to accomodate the desires of the player. I don't know why this has suddenly become controversial, in fact getting rejected by a homosexual(or heterosexual) companion could lead to some great dialogue. 

Oh you should hate DAO then since you can "soften" Morrigan and "harden" both Leliana and Alistair! That's changing to accomdate the PCs to the desire of the player. Or does that only matter when it comes to sexuality?

You are comparing apples to oranges. One is determined by a PC's actions, the other is determined by the PC's gender at creation.

[wsandista]

Emzamination wrote...

wsandista wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Cultist wrote...

We'll get all-bi all-approving companions once again.
BioWare have no courage to cut LGBT completely out of the game.

and here we have the heart...I hope every dragon age entry has all romances available to all genders.I shouldn't have to get a mod to romance characters like morrigan because of hatred and prejudices like the above quoted.

Makes no sense does it when you had Zevren and Leliana in the same game. You can't romance Morrigan because she does not swing that way. That's who Morrigan is.

Of course the herat of the "all-bi is great" is that those players want to have the game world conform to their PCs so that no one dislikes their PC. The idea that having someone dislike their PCs is just too much for them to bear, so the world must be changed so everyone loves their PC. DA shoiuld include actual homosexual LIs who simply aren't interested in PCs of the opposite sex because that is just who the LI is. BTW, DA still hasn't had a homosexual LI, so I can assume that the all-bi LI camp doesn't want homosexuals to be LIs.<_<

Or maybe the heart of "all bi" is not having the prejudices lgbt face in reality pushed on them in a fantasy setting they pay for equally the same as you.Everyone should be able to romance who they want and shape their worlds how they want in their games without restriction equally.

Do the LI's get a say in this? Why don't you want to have gay LI's?

[LolaLei]

wsandista wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

wsandista wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Cultist wrote...

We'll get all-bi all-approving companions once again.
BioWare have no courage to cut LGBT completely out of the game.

and here we have the heart...I hope every dragon age entry has all romances available to all genders.I shouldn't have to get a mod to romance characters like morrigan because of hatred and prejudices like the above quoted.

Makes no sense does it when you had Zevren and Leliana in the same game. You can't romance Morrigan because she does not swing that way. That's who Morrigan is.

Of course the herat of the "all-bi is great" is that those players want to have the game world conform to their PCs so that no one dislikes their PC. The idea that having someone dislike their PCs is just too much for them to bear, so the world must be changed so everyone loves their PC. DA shoiuld include actual homosexual LIs who simply aren't interested in PCs of the opposite sex because that is just who the LI is. BTW, DA still hasn't had a homosexual LI, so I can assume that the all-bi LI camp doesn't want homosexuals to be LIs.<_<

Or maybe the heart of "all bi" is not having the prejudices lgbt face in reality pushed on them in a fantasy setting they pay for equally the same as you.Everyone should be able to romance who they want and shape their worlds how they want in their games without restriction equally.

Do the LI's get a say in this? Why don't you want to have gay LI's?

You're forgetting one important thing: These aren't real people, the LI's "say" is all down to what DG 'n' co want them to believe/feel/etc. So you might wanna take that one up with them.

Modifié par LolaLei, 09 juin 2012 - 04:01 .

[MissOuJ]

Emzamination wrote...

Or maybe the heart of "all bi" is not having the prejudices lgbt face in reality pushed on them in a fantasy setting they pay for equally the same as you. Everyone should be able to romance who they want and shape their worlds how they want in their games without restriction equally.

Amen and hallelujah. Wanting to partake in a universe where you can be who you want, do what you want, and romance who you want is at the heart of role playing games.

[wsandista]

LolaLei wrote...

wsandista wrote...


Do the LI's get a say in this? Why don't you want to have gay LI's?

You're forgetting one important thing: These aren't real people, the LI's "say" is all down to what DG 'n' co want them to believe/feel/etc. So you might wanna take that one up with them.

Should Fenris love mages if Hawke is a mage?

[Emzamination]

wsandista wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

wsandista wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Cultist wrote...

We'll get all-bi all-approving companions once again.
BioWare have no courage to cut LGBT completely out of the game.

and here we have the heart...I hope every dragon age entry has all romances available to all genders.I shouldn't have to get a mod to romance characters like morrigan because of hatred and prejudices like the above quoted.

Makes no sense does it when you had Zevren and Leliana in the same game. You can't romance Morrigan because she does not swing that way. That's who Morrigan is.

Of course the herat of the "all-bi is great" is that those players want to have the game world conform to their PCs so that no one dislikes their PC. The idea that having someone dislike their PCs is just too much for them to bear, so the world must be changed so everyone loves their PC. DA shoiuld include actual homosexual LIs who simply aren't interested in PCs of the opposite sex because that is just who the LI is. BTW, DA still hasn't had a homosexual LI, so I can assume that the all-bi LI camp doesn't want homosexuals to be LIs.<_<

Or maybe the heart of "all bi" is not having the prejudices lgbt face in reality pushed on them in a fantasy setting they pay for equally the same as you.Everyone should be able to romance who they want and shape their worlds how they want in their games without restriction equally.

Do the LI's get a say in this? Why don't you want to have gay LI's?

Of course LI should have defined preferences and that's all it should be.If isabella or merill prefers men that's fine but that doesn't mean she should be immune to being seduced by a female hawke who has been there with them through thick and thin.What you're saying is not only should they like the opposite gender but they should have a constant aversion to the same gender no matter what therefore reforming their way of thinking to 'your' beliefs and way of thinking.How do the LI get a say when you do that?

[AkiKishi]

MissOuJ wrote...
Amen and hallelujah. Wanting to partake in a universe where you can be who you want, do what you want, and romance who you want is at the heart of role playing games.

No it's not. A roleplaying game is it's own reality. You are one person in that reality not a god.

[LolaLei]

wsandista wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

wsandista wrote...


Do the LI's get a say in this? Why don't you want to have gay LI's?

You're forgetting one important thing: These aren't real people, the LI's "say" is all down to what DG 'n' co want them to believe/feel/etc. So you might wanna take that one up with them.

Should Fenris love mages if Hawke is a mage?

Well he clearly had no problems in shagging one. Plus he makes it clear all the way through that he still hates them, but he loves his mage lover, for who he/she is, not what he/she is. Something that DG 'n' co wanted him to believe/feel/etc.

[AkiKishi]

Ryzaki wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...
Well not long after this thread started someone was saying how they wanted to romance Alistair as a guy. And I asked "does Alistair not get a say in it" to which he replied "nope".

If I'm anti anything, it's anti the NPC characters becoming fantasy playmates just because players want it.

Oh yes so Alistair instead romancing my bloodmage who gleefully sold Connor's soul to a demon and sold elves into slaver to a Tevinter magister is clearly him not being a fantasy playmate and UBER TRUE TO THE CHARACTER! Leliana romancing that same gal? True to her character. Morrigan falling in love with a magic hating uptight templar that blatantly says she should be culled with the rest of the mages? Welp she's not a fantasy playmate clearly!

Come on now. Let's not pretend DAO was some pinncale of companions being who they were without being shaped by the PC. It wasn't.

That's something you need to take up with the writers.

[LolaLei]

Emzamination wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

wsandista wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Cultist wrote...

We'll get all-bi all-approving companions once again.
BioWare have no courage to cut LGBT completely out of the game.

and here we have the heart...I hope every dragon age entry has all romances available to all genders.I shouldn't have to get a mod to romance characters like morrigan because of hatred and prejudices like the above quoted.

Makes no sense does it when you had Zevren and Leliana in the same game. You can't romance Morrigan because she does not swing that way. That's who Morrigan is.

Of course the herat of the "all-bi is great" is that those players want to have the game world conform to their PCs so that no one dislikes their PC. The idea that having someone dislike their PCs is just too much for them to bear, so the world must be changed so everyone loves their PC. DA shoiuld include actual homosexual LIs who simply aren't interested in PCs of the opposite sex because that is just who the LI is. BTW, DA still hasn't had a homosexual LI, so I can assume that the all-bi LI camp doesn't want homosexuals to be LIs.<_<

Or maybe the heart of "all bi" is not having the prejudices lgbt face in reality pushed on them in a fantasy setting they pay for equally the same as you.Everyone should be able to romance who they want and shape their worlds how they want in their games without restriction equally.

Do the LI's get a say in this? Why don't you want to have gay LI's?

Of course LI should have defined preferences and that's all it should be.If isabella or merill prefers men that's fine but that doesn't mean she should be immune to being seduced by a female hawke who has been there with them through thick and thin.What you're saying is not only should they like the opposite gender but they should have a constant aversion to the same gender no matter what therefore reforming their way of thinking to 'your' beliefs and way of thinking.How do the LI get a say when you do that?

Exactly. I mean, a lot of people who have considered themselves straight in the past have ended up falling for someone of the same sex completely unexpectedly without ever having had any feelings for the same sex before.

Sometimes it's simply the case that you can't help who you fall for, and I think the same can be said for some of the companions who people would presume would be straight.

Modifié par LolaLei, 09 juin 2012 - 04:14 .

[wsandista]

Emzamination wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Do the LI's get a say in this? Why don't you want to have gay LI's?

Of course LI should have defined preferences and that's all it should be.If isabella or merill prefers men that's fine but that doesn't mean she should be immune to being seduced by a female hawke who has been there with them through thick and thin.

She should be immune to seductipn if she isn't intrested, whether that is with a male or a female. The PC should not determine the sexuality of the LI.

What you're saying is not only should they like the opposite gender but they should have a constant aversion to the same gender no matter what therefore reforming their way of thinking to 'your' beliefs and way of thinking.How do the LI get a say when you do that?

No that isn't what I've been saying. If you actually have been paying attention to my posts instead of building up a straw-man, you would see that I have advocated for homosexual LIs.

Again, Why do you not want a homosexual LI?

[wsandista]

LolaLei wrote...

wsandista wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

wsandista wrote...


Do the LI's get a say in this? Why don't you want to have gay LI's?

You're forgetting one important thing: These aren't real people, the LI's "say" is all down to what DG 'n' co want them to believe/feel/etc. So you might wanna take that one up with them.

Should Fenris love mages if Hawke is a mage?

Well he clearly had no problems in shagging one. Plus he makes it clear all the way through that he still hates them, but he loves his mage lover, for who he/she is, not what he/she is. Something that DG 'n' co wanted him to believe/feel/etc.

That doesn't answer the question. 

[Ryzaki]

BobSmith101 wrote...

That's something you need to take up with the writers.

Not when you're claiming that all bi LIs cause this when it's always been pretty much how BW writes their companions. It's even in ME1 with 2 LIs that are only for an o/s Shepard.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 juin 2012 - 04:19 .

[Ryzaki]

wsandista wrote...

No that isn't what I've been saying. If you actually have been paying attention to my posts instead of building up a straw-man, you would see that I have advocated for homosexual LIs.

Again, Why do you not want a homosexual LI?

Did you not just read this thread? One of the devs just flat out said they wouldn't do one gay, one straight LIs because homosexual LIs are too much resources to take up 50% of the LIs. So no it's highly unlikely that a companion (and not some side character) would be a gay only LI (no matter how much I'd love it). 

That and some people actually aren't bothered by the thought that they might have to "share" their LIs with PCs of the other gender as long as they can romance people they prefer. Odd concept I know.

[Emzamination]

wsandista wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Do the LI's get a say in this? Why don't you want to have gay LI's?

Of course LI should have defined preferences and that's all it should be.If isabella or merill prefers men that's fine but that doesn't mean she should be immune to being seduced by a female hawke who has been there with them through thick and thin.

She should be immune to seductipn if she isn't intrested, whether that is with a male or a female. The PC should not determine the sexuality of the LI.

What you're saying is not only should they like the opposite gender but they should have a constant aversion to the same gender no matter what therefore reforming their way of thinking to 'your' beliefs and way of thinking.How do the LI get a say when you do that?

No that isn't what I've been saying. If you actually have been paying attention to my posts instead of building up a straw-man, you would see that I have advocated for homosexual LIs.

Again, Why do you not want a homosexual LI?

So what you're saying is she should be written and programmed to just not be interested in your gender no matter what your deeds, yes?

No, you advocated for bias and segregation in love, I advocate for equality.

[Ryzaki]

wsandista wrote...
That doesn't answer the question. 

He doesn't. He has his own character and personality despite being a bi LI that doesn't flaunt his bisexuality! That is possible you realize?

[LolaLei]

wsandista wrote...

Again, Why do you not want a homosexual LI?

I wouldn't mind if they added a few homosexual LI's to the mix too, if I fancied romancing him/her then I'd just role a different gendered character.

Anyway the point is, the DA team can and will do what they want with the love interests. IF they want to make an all-bi companion cast then that's cool. If they want to throw in a couple of homosexual LI's that's also cool. If they want to throw in a few straight LI's then that's fine by me too. I'm easy like Sunday morning with the whole thing. I like roleplaying different characters/genders/races so it's not a problem for me in the slightest.

BUT having all the romanceable characters bisexual is the easiest way to please the vocal majority regardless of their sexual preference. It's the ideal problem solver for the DA team.

Modifié par LolaLei, 09 juin 2012 - 04:29 .

[wsandista]

Ryzaki wrote...

wsandista wrote...

No that isn't what I've been saying. If you actually have been paying attention to my posts instead of building up a straw-man, you would see that I have advocated for homosexual LIs.

Again, Why do you not want a homosexual LI?

Did you not just read this thread? One of the devs just flat out said they wouldn't do one gay, one straight LIs because homosexual LIs are too much resources to take up 50% of the LIs. So no it's highly unlikely that a companion (and not some side character) would be a gay only LI (no matter how much I'd love it). 

That and some people actually aren't bothered by the thought that they might have to "share" their LIs with PCs of the other gender as long as they can romance people they prefer. Odd concept I know.

That isn't an answer.

I guess that it would be a little too much trouble for you to read my other posts to see why I object to all-bi, but I guess building up your straw man takes a little too much effort to make an informed reply.

[Emzamination]

LolaLei wrote...

Exactly. I mean, a lot of people who have considered themselves straight in the past have ended up falling for someone of the same sex completely unexpectedly without ever having had any feelings for the same sex before.

Sometimes it's simply the case that you can't help who you fall for, and I think the same can be said for some of the companions who people would presume would be straight.

Indeed, love doesn't form from sexual bias or restrictions, it comes from whoever  makes you happy and you enjoy being with.It's sad that with some people no matter how fine your point, you can't pierce the mental wall of prejudice people put up. 

Modifié par Emzamination, 09 juin 2012 - 04:30 .

[Ryzaki]

wsandista wrote...
That isn't an answer.

I guess that it would be a little too much trouble for you to read my other posts to see why I object to all-bi, but I guess building up your straw man takes a little too much effort to make an informed reply.

How is that not an answer? Since you like you using that.

Oh yes I'm building a strawman by pointing out that homosexual Lis aren't liable to get as much content as straight or bi LIs therefore I'd be far more inclined to like all bi LIs. Of course. Clearly.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 juin 2012 - 04:28 .