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[TJX2045]

jlb524 wrote...

iakus wrote...
But the player is denied nothing.  the characters, depending on how they're played, might be.  But that's why RPGs are often touted for "replayability" Start a new game and see how differently things can play out.

Not true.

Lots of people only play once or twice.

There are some people who only like playing one gender/sexuality/species/morality and cannot relate to playing the game otherwise.

RPGs are also touted as being able to roleplay the type of PC you wish and customize them.

<3 this post.  I am one of the people who has no desire to play the opposite sex like I mentioned earlier in the forum.  I dont' identify with a Female Warden/Hawke like I do with a Male Warden/Hawke.  It's not that I hate women, it's just I am not one and can't get into the mind set to roleplay one.

And to be honest most straight guys I've seen when talking about playing the opposite sex in video games, excluding the scant few who don't feel this way, only play the female PC to stare at her ass.

Modifié par TJX2045, 09 juin 2012 - 09:34 .

[Ryzaki]

jlb524 wrote...

iakus wrote...

My response was:  As long as you are wiling to create a character that the LI would respond favorably to, nobody is denied anything.

I like this.

Boss:  No paycheck for you today!

Employee:  You can't deny me mah money.

Boss:   As long as you are willing to put aside material wants, you are not denied anything.

Or even better s/he can get his paycheck once s/he dresses in typical emo clothes and makeup while singing something by My Chemical Romance.


I can not play a female voiced character in a RPG. I end up HATING ALL THE THINGS. So while I can play femWarden without batting an eye there's no way I can play FemShep or FemHawke. I just can't. It annoys me and sours my experience of the whole game. I am female but I just can't stand the voice acting. Nothing's worse than being forced to listen to what I feel is atrocious voice acting EVERY SINGLE CONVERSATION. I get nitpicky and then I pick on pretty much everything and it completely ruins my game experience. Nothing's worse than playing a PC I don't want to play as to get half an hour of content I'm interested in. And then by the time I get to it I'm in such a pissed off mood that I tear *it* apart and wonder WTF I wasted my time for! I'm sluding my way through a ME2 to ME3 game for the Garrus romance...and I really don't think I'll finish it. Finishing Freedom's Progress alone was a test in patience. And I have 15+ playthroughs of dude Shep and when I decided "well I could stand to do one more..." during my FemShep run...I got a lot further and I wasn't agitated.

As for Viconia. I already said I couldn't stand the BG2 Lis. In addition to the majority of them being self absorbed dicks I just found them uninteresting. They also suffered from the "well since you're not romancing me...well I don't want to talk to you as much." syndrome. Screw that. I'd be glad never to see another BG2 like LI again. I killed all of them with glee. Jerkwads. Viconia didn't even have a dang on friendship path until I modded her to have one. WTF. That and all those bastards suffered from "we're together until you say we're not." syndrome. WTF would the game start with insisting character X and my PC were in a romance just because s/he decided to be nice? At least unlike ME1 it was easy enough to get yourself out with a jerkoff dialogue choice but I shouldn't have had to do that. The romances should've started when the player said something flirty. Not when the player recruited them and decided not to be a douche.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 juin 2012 - 09:49 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

OP: I don't get the optional "LGBT companions and/or interaction". Why do you want to have these limitations imposed on LGBT characters only? Are you afraid that one of them asks you to have sex with you in the middle of the final boss fight?

[Iakus]

jlb524 wrote...

iakus wrote...

My response was:  As long as you are wiling to create a character that the LI would respond favorably to, nobody is denied anything.

I like this.

Boss:  No paycheck for you today!

Employee:  You can't deny me mah money.

Boss:   As long as you are willing to put aside material wants, you are not denied anything.

More like:

Boss:  No paycheck fro you today!

Employee:  You can't deny me mah money!

Boss:  You didn't do your job

Employee:   I don't want this job, I want that job!

Boss:  then why didn't you apply for that one in the first place?

Employee:  No fair!

Modifié par iakus, 09 juin 2012 - 09:53 .

[Alessa]

Ryzaki wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

iakus wrote...

My response was:  As long as you are wiling to create a character that the LI would respond favorably to, nobody is denied anything.

I like this.

Boss:  No paycheck for you today!

Employee:  You can't deny me mah money.

Boss:   As long as you are willing to put aside material wants, you are not denied anything.

Or even better he can get his paycheck once he dresses in typical emo clothes and makeup while singing something by My Chemical Romance.


I can not play a female voiced character in a RPG. I end up HATING ALL THE THINGS. So while I can play femWarden without batting an eye there's no way I can play FemShep or FemHawke. I just can't. It annoys me and sours my experience of the whole game. I am female but I just can't stand the voice acting. Nothing's worse than being forced to listen to what I feel is atrocious voice acting EVERY SINGLE CONVERSATION. I get nitpicky and then I pick on pretty much everything and it completely ruins my game experience. Nothing's worse than playing a PC I don't want to play as to get half an hour of content I'm interested in. And then by the time I get to it I'm in such a pissed off mood that I tear *it* apart and wonder WTF I wasted my time for!

As for Viconia. I already said I couldn't stand the BG2 Lis. In addition to the majority of them being self absorbed dicks I just found them uninteresting. They also suffered from the "well since you're not romancing me...well I don't want to talk to you as much." syndrome. Screw that. I'd be glad never to see another BG2 like LI again. I killed all of them with glee. Jerkwads.

Sorry, but that sounds like claiming for the possibility to experience the mage origin without being a mage.

And if the female voice is the thing that bothers you as a female Hawke then maybe you should try to turn off your speakers.

[Alessa]

iakus wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

iakus wrote...

My response was:  As long as you are wiling to create a character that the LI would respond favorably to, nobody is denied anything.

I like this.

Boss:  No paycheck for you today!

Employee:  You can't deny me mah money.

Boss:   As long as you are willing to put aside material wants, you are not denied anything.

More like:

Boss:  No paycheck fro you today!

Employee:  You can't deny me mah money!

Boss:  You didn't do your job

Employee:   I don't want this job, I want that job!

Boss:  then why didn't you apply for that one in the first place?

Employee:  No fair!

This! ... GREAT!

[TJX2045]

Alessa-00 wrote...

Sorry, but that sounds like claiming for the possibility to experience the mage origin without being a mage.

Except it's not.

Mage vs. Non-mage =/= All-Bi vs. Non-Bi.

People who dislike playing mage will, for the most part, never play mage.  If they do, it'll feel forced and they won't enjoy it.  It will not affect their love interests.

So why should people who dislike playing the opposite sex who will very likely abhor playing the opposite sex have their love interests affected as well?

Honestly Sebastian could've worked as Bi as well.  He has a chaste relationship.  There's no sex.  it's just the idea that religion = straight people only which is not the case.

Modifié par TJX2045, 09 juin 2012 - 10:00 .

[Ryzaki]

Alessa-00 wrote...
Sorry, but that sounds like claiming for the possibility to experience the mage origin without being a mage.

And if the female voice is the thing that bothers you as a female Hawke then maybe you should try to turn off your speakers.

Wrong. I want to romance Fenris...without having to hear Femhawke's VA while being able to hear Fenris' I can do that...with a Male Hawke. So no...it has nothing to do with the mage origin without being a mage. Being able to romance a character doesn't automatically mean I have to play an o/s character.

Except that brilliant piece of logic means I can't hear every other character in the game.

[jlb524]

BobSmith101 wrote...

HanErlik wrote...
QFT.

I want LIs like Viconia, not some  "the-sole-reason-for-my-existence-is-to-bed-with-you" dolls.

I posted a couple of pages back that we have gone from Viconia who was a challenge. To LI's that are little more than fanservice.

Viconia was a challenge?

hahaa

iakus wrote...
More like:

Boss:  No paycheck fro you today!

Employee:  You can't deny me mah money!

Boss:  You didn't do your job

Employee:   I don't want this job, I want that job!

Boss:  then why didn't you apply for that one in the first place?

Employee:  No fair!

That really makes no sense. 

Modifié par jlb524, 09 juin 2012 - 10:07 .

[Abispa]

BobSmith101 wrote...

HanErlik wrote...
QFT.

I want LIs like Viconia, not some  "the-sole-reason-for-my-existence-is-to-bed-with-you" dolls.

I posted a couple of pages back that we have gone from Viconia who was a challenge. To LI's that are little more than fanservice.

Oh, what a CHALLENGE she was. Just play a male (except the short races) and she tears into any female in your party to mark her territory. Pretty much the same as any of the worthless female elves in that stupid "romance" mini-game in BGII. True, you had to "work" to get them to sleep with you, but if you're a straight male your menu was in full display for all to see. As for straight females, BGII has to rival ME3 for the WTF factor.

Modifié par Abispa, 09 juin 2012 - 10:04 .

[Ryzaki]

iakus wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

iakus wrote...

My response was:  As long as you are wiling to create a character that the LI would respond favorably to, nobody is denied anything.

I like this.

Boss:  No paycheck for you today!

Employee:  You can't deny me mah money.

Boss:   As long as you are willing to put aside material wants, you are not denied anything.

More like:

Boss:  No paycheck fro you today!

Employee:  You can't deny me mah money!

Boss:  You didn't do your job

Employee:   I don't want this job, I want that job!

Boss:  then why didn't you apply for that one in the first place?

Employee:  No fair!

Bad analogy is bad. We're never given the chance to apply for a Alistair romance with a male PC in the first place. Romancing Alistair with a female PC isn't the same thing. Try again.

[Iakus]

Fandango9641 wrote...
 
I had a quick question for everyone if I may be so bold. Would you buy the next Dragon Age game if romance were removed altogether? Genuinely curious. Yes or no?

Romances or their lack aren't a dealbreaker for me.  Not like other game aspects are.

I imagine the game would be considerably less fun without them though.

[Ryzaki]

Abispa wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

HanErlik wrote...
QFT.

I want LIs like Viconia, not some  "the-sole-reason-for-my-existence-is-to-bed-with-you" dolls.

I posted a couple of pages back that we have gone from Viconia who was a challenge. To LI's that are little more than fanservice.

Oh, what a CHALLENGE she was. Just play a male (except the short races) and she tears into any female in your party to mark her territory. Pretty much the same as any of the worthless female elves in that stupid "romance" mini-game in BGII. True, you had to "work" to get them to sleep with you, but if you're a straight male your menu was in full display for all to see. As for straight females, BGII has to rival ME3 for the WTF factor.

That's another reason I hated BG2's romances. What was with that? Was he wearing pheremones or something? My poor male human/half-elf. Just...why? WHY?!? And the only way to reject them ended up with the getting pissy. WTF.

[Iakus]

Ryzaki wrote...

Bad analogy is bad. We're never given the chance to apply for a Alistair romance with a male PC in the first place. Romancing Alistair with a female PC isn't the same thing. Try again.

You can.

At character creation.

Male or female

[Ryzaki]

Fandango9641 wrote...
I had a quick question for everyone if I may be so bold. Would you buy the next Dragon Age game if romance were removed altogether? Genuinely curious. Yes or no?

Yup. As long as they give choices and geniune consequences and RP (and there's no autodialogue. I don't want autodialogue.) Heck yeah.

iakus wrote...

You can.

At character creation.

Male or female

So...romancing a character with a male is the same thing as romancing them with a female?

The desire isn't "to romance Alistair"

It's "to romance Alistair with a male PC".

There's a difference there Iakus.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 juin 2012 - 10:09 .

[TJX2045]

iakus wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Bad analogy is bad. We're never given the chance to apply for a Alistair romance with a male PC in the first place. Romancing Alistair with a female PC isn't the same thing. Try again.

You can.

At character creation.

Male or female

Did you really read his post?  I'm guessing not.

[Abispa]

And where there epic developed friendships you can have with the cast in past Bioware games? I seem to remember a lot of "shut off points" with the party unless you were romancing them (ESPECIALLY ME2). DA2 allowed you to develop friendships with characters even if you weren't bedding them. Wow. But they're "bi" and thus lack the "depth" and "realism" of past Bioware cast members.

[jlb524]

iakus wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Bad analogy is bad. We're never given the chance to apply for a Alistair romance with a male PC in the first place. Romancing Alistair with a female PC isn't the same thing. Try again.

You can.

At character creation.

Male or female

You can't "apply for the Alistair romance with a male PC" by selecting a female PC.

[Iakus]

TJX2045 wrote...


Except it's not.

Mage vs. Non-mage =/= All-Bi vs. Non-Bi.

People who dislike playing mage will, for the most part, never play mage.  If they do, it'll feel forced and they won't enjoy it.  It will not affect their love interests.

So why should people who dislike playing the opposite sex who will very likely abhor playing the opposite sex have their love interests affected as well?

What about those who love the mage origin story but hate playing a mage?  Is it fair that they'd prefer to play as a  dwarf warrior but can't have a mage origin?

[Ryzaki]

Abispa wrote...

And where there epic developed friendships you can have with the cast in past Bioware games? I seem to remember a lot of "shut off points" with the party unless you were romancing them (ESPECIALLY ME2). DA2 allowed you to develop friendships with characters even if you weren't bedding them. Wow. But they're "bi" and thus lack the "depth" and "realism" of past Bioware cast members.

DAO had it too to be fair. But yeah I'd take DA2's all bi over ME2's "SHUT UP IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BONE ME!" anyday. ME3 made it better at least. I could talk to Garrus without getting "calibrations" every 5 seconds but even in ME3 you got a lot of canned autodialogue and only 2 options.

I'd take DA2 over that anyday.

[Ryzaki]

iakus wrote...
What about those who love the mage origin story but hate playing a mage?  Is it fair that they'd prefer to play as a  dwarf warrior but can't have a mage origin?

Who actually does that? Seeing as the mage origin story is all about the trials you face as a mage I'd have to wonder how they could enjoy that story while not...enjoy playing a mage. It doesn't work without the PC being a mage.

And no before you say it Alistair's romance wasn't all about how he and the FemWarden were the opposite gender and in love and focused intentally on her femaleness. His romance could've worked with a male. With reasonable tweaks of course.

(Not sure about Morrigan since I can't stand her).

(And honestly if they're that annoyed by it the AW exists).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 juin 2012 - 10:13 .

[Alessa]

TJX2045 wrote...

Alessa-00 wrote...

Sorry, but that sounds like claiming for the possibility to experience the mage origin without being a mage.

Except it's not.

Mage vs. Non-mage =/= All-Bi vs. Non-Bi.

People who dislike playing mage will, for the most part, never play mage.  If they do, it'll feel forced and they won't enjoy it.  It will not affect their love interests.

So why should people who dislike playing the opposite sex who will very likely abhor playing the opposite sex have their love interests affected as well?

Honestly Sebastian could've worked as Bi as well.  He has a chaste
relationship.  There's no sex.  it's just the idea that religion =
straight people only which is not the case.

Well, ... you totally missed me.

You refuse to play the opposite sex, but you claim for having the experience anyhow. If people here keep claiming for having more and more options it will end up with total abandonment of romances.

[TJX2045]

Abispa wrote...

And where there epic developed friendships you can have with the cast in past Bioware games? I seem to remember a lot of "shut off points" with the party unless you were romancing them (ESPECIALLY ME2). DA2 allowed you to develop friendships with characters even if you weren't bedding them. Wow. But they're "bi" and thus lack the "depth" and "realism" of past Bioware cast members.

That "logic" and basically the people who are not affected by the romances as they are without them being all bi do not understand why people want to be able to romance the same people they have.

It's kind of like a little child saying "Hey look who I can play with and not you!" type of thing.  If you think about it, a straight player could play a female because he may find her attractive and also because he can hook her up with a straight male character.  He can also play a female to hook up with a lesbian character.  In that same respect his canon character could be a male with a female romance.  With a gay or lesbian player, they only desire a romance with their same gender and may find their PC attractive.

But to give the S/S player equal opportunity in the LI spectrum and it's lacking depth to their character, to which sexuality does not determine either.  Not all lesbians are butch or like Leliana and not all gay men are cross dressers, effeminate or like Serendipity.