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[DJepic112]

Why would Bioware make the Harrier heavier when it's already so damn heavy as an assault rifle? It also really isn't that strong and holds extremely little ammo. Sad.

[Big Yeti Cane]

So the encumbrance was increased on the harrier and I increase mag capacity to help balance the ammo issue.
So to quote George Lopez, "why you crying?"
It still hits hard as hell and remains a great weapon.

Modifié par Big Yeti Cane, 05 juin 2012 - 10:34 .

[Edalborez]

Hope everyone realizes the Harrier weight increase only matters if you have it a rank II or higher. *whistle*

[OniEdge]

Killmoves37 wrote...

They need to buff the Assault Rifles more
90% of them are pure booty

Probably the smartest thing said so far. BioWare has NO CLUE AT ALL how to make a proper AR. None of them are good enough for anything other than flavor, i.e. just to have something that stings a little. And finally, they make ONE good AR and then they start nerfing it. This is just absolutely ridiculous.

[Pride Demon]

Atheosis wrote...

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

I was hoping for some buffs for some of the underutilized/underpowered classes.

Indeed.  The Female Quarian Engineer is left in the deep dark pit of uselessness for yet another week...

Actually the Fem Quagineer is remarkably good, just don't expect to keep wreaking the house with her...
I did top the scoreboard twice on Silver with it though, and if you knew me (a quaint definition would be "remarkably mediocre"), you'd understand that either speaks volumes in favour of the class or in disfavour of my teamates...
And I can assure you my team was pretty good, we got full extraction and everything...

I also find it the easier class to reach remote teammates in need of revival with...

[PhoenixBlue]

OniEdge wrote...

Killmoves37 wrote...

They need to buff the Assault Rifles more
90% of them are pure booty

Probably the smartest thing said so far. BioWare has NO CLUE AT ALL how to make a proper AR. None of them are good enough for anything other than flavor, i.e. just to have something that stings a little. And finally, they make ONE good AR and then they start nerfing it. This is just absolutely ridiculous.

Sounds about like present-day M-16s, then: good for fire suppression, not so much for actually killing things.

[whalewhisker]

Pride Demon wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

I was hoping for some buffs for some of the underutilized/underpowered classes.

Indeed.  The Female Quarian Engineer is left in the deep dark pit of uselessness for yet another week...

Actually the Fem Quagineer is remarkably good, just don't expect to keep wreaking the house with her...
I did top the scoreboard twice on Silver with it though, and if you knew me (a quaint definition would be "remarkably mediocre"), you'd understand that either speaks volumes in favour of the class or in disfavour of my teamates...
And I can assure you my team was pretty good, we got full extraction and everything...

I also find it the easier class to reach remote teammates in need of revival with...

No, she's awful. She's only good against reapers, but she falls completely short against everything else. It's sad too that her best builds revolve against using Sentry Turret altogether...

[Jade Elf]

OniEdge wrote...

Probably the smartest thing said so far. BioWare has NO CLUE AT ALL how to make a proper AR. None of them are good enough for anything other than flavor, i.e. just to have something that stings a little. And finally, they make ONE good AR and then they start nerfing it. This is just absolutely ridiculous.

Nonsense, the Eagle is a great AR!!1

[Grimy Bunyip]

DJepic112 wrote...

Why would Bioware make the Harrier heavier when it's already so damn heavy as an assault rifle? It also really isn't that strong and holds extremely little ammo. Sad.

the harrier wasn't heavy for an assault rifle.
it still isnt.

it used to be only 10% heavier than a mattock of equal rank.
and lighter than a revenant.
Now it's the same weight as a revenant.

the revenant isn't even a heavy gun, there are heavier assault rifles than the revenant.

[Jade Elf]

Eh, the Harrier only got a "nerf" at level X. I to IX hasn't even been changed,,,

[MoeRayShep]

I might actually try using my Eagle II now-- prolly just for giggles in a Silver match, though.
As for the Harrier weight nerf-- I just don't get it.

I don't have the weapon yet, but from I gather it was a mostly balanced weapon in need of some ammo capacity love. Best guess is that they're trying to force it into the hands of classes with AR weight reduction passives-- Vorcha, Turians, Asari Justicar. No idea why.

Obviously the Krysae and Reegar are going to need nerfing, I think they just want the community to get cocky and attached to these weapons before smashing them to bits.
My rather cynical guess is that some of these balancing moves are done with microtransactions in mind: nerf a weapon that many have yet to max, and you drive down sales.
Might also explain why the Harrier was only nerfed at higher tiers; realistically most people won't have it at a level where this nerf makes a significant difference for quite some time.
Granted, I saw somebody the other day with an N7 of (literally) over 9000 and a Harrier X. Naturally I decided to GTFO; something shady was probably afoot with that guy.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Air Quotes wrote...

Didn't dare to touch Reegar or Krysae since a lot of the people haven't unlocked them yet

But the Harrier, which even less people will have, was fair game?

[Jade Elf]

Eh, the Harrier only got a "nerf" at level X. I to IX hasn't even been changed...

Again. Is it really that big of a deal?

[Pride Demon]

whalewhisker wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

I was hoping for some buffs for some of the underutilized/underpowered classes.

Indeed.  The Female Quarian Engineer is left in the deep dark pit of uselessness for yet another week...

Actually the Fem Quagineer is remarkably good, just don't expect to keep wreaking the house with her...
I did top the scoreboard twice on Silver with it though, and if you knew me (a quaint definition would be "remarkably mediocre"), you'd understand that either speaks volumes in favour of the class or in disfavour of my teamates...
And I can assure you my team was pretty good, we got full extraction and everything...

I also find it the easier class to reach remote teammates in need of revival with...

No, she's awful. She's only good against reapers, but she falls completely short against everything else. It's sad too that her best builds revolve against using Sentry Turret altogether...

Well, the turret is there to be a distraction, nothing more, the big synergy is cryo-incinerate... At least that's how I spec her, but like I said, I'm a mediocre player, so I never venture beyond Silver...
Only once I did a gold match, but I ended up there by mistake (quick match bug), and even though I extracted, I frankly have no idea how that was even possible... :/

But one of those Silver matches I mentioned was against geth... The other was reapers, yes...

[Creighton72]

Grimy Bunyip wrote...

DJepic112 wrote...

Why would Bioware make the Harrier heavier when it's already so damn heavy as an assault rifle? It also really isn't that strong and holds extremely little ammo. Sad.

the harrier wasn't heavy for an assault rifle.
it still isnt.

it used to be only 10% heavier than a mattock of equal rank.
and lighter than a revenant.
Now it's the same weight as a revenant.

the revenant isn't even a heavy gun, there are heavier assault rifles than the revenant.

I saw you talk about the eagle, I was just wondering what the numbers were now because some else posted that and Eagle 10 is only slightly more powerful than a Predator 10. But it's not even possible to have an Eagle X, so there exists no situation in the game in which that is possible. So it does not really matter what an Eagle X can do.

[Rifneno]

Jade Elf wrote...

Eh, the Harrier only got a "nerf" at level X. I to IX hasn't even been changed...

Again. Is it really that big of a deal?

I don't think you understand how a sliding scale works...

[Eric Fagnan]

The Harrier change was supposed to go in last week but it was delayed. The weight scaling at higher levels was too high compared to other weapons, so this wasn't really meant as a nerf.

We are looking at the Krysae balance closely and will probably have some changes for it soon.

[Vespervin]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

The Harrier change was supposed to go in last week but it was delayed. The weight scaling at higher levels was too high compared to other weapons, so this wasn't really meant as a nerf.

We are looking at the Krysae balance closely and will probably have some changes for it soon.

Is giving the Harrier more ammunition on the table?

[mybudgee]

YES. Nerf that Turian bazooka!

[Siran]

Sad about the Harrier "nerf" - really gave my Asari Justicar reason to take rank 6 passive AR-weight reduction. Found the Harrier worked really well with her. Now, the CD hit is - even with my Harrier at level V - too big imho. Considering the already low ammo of the Harrier, it becomes less and less attractive. Which is sad, as it was next to the Saber (far too heavy for a power-class) my favourite AR and the only one I'd consider taking along with a caster.

Modifié par Siran, 05 juin 2012 - 10:58 .

[curly haired boy]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

The Harrier change was supposed to go in last week but it was delayed. The weight scaling at higher levels was too high compared to other weapons, so this wasn't really meant as a nerf.

We are looking at the Krysae balance closely and will probably have some changes for it soon.

excellent.

[MajorBlazkowicz]

OniEdge wrote...

Killmoves37 wrote...

They need to buff the Assault Rifles more
90% of them are pure booty

Probably the smartest thing said so far. BioWare has NO CLUE AT ALL how to make a proper AR. None of them are good enough for anything other than flavor, i.e. just to have something that stings a little. And finally, they make ONE good AR and then they start nerfing it. This is just absolutely ridiculous.

The Saber is probably the only other good AR in the game, but since it is a UR and most people have it at a low level where it's not as good . Leveled up it can do more damage then Viper X with a level 5 barrel mod and if you put the level 5 barrel mod on a high level Saber it will do more damage then a unmodified Mantis X !

The Mattock and Vindicator are good mid level AR, If the Collector Rifle was easy to level up it would be better then half the ARs in this game. The Argus and Valkryie would be better then half the ARs in this game! The Harrier is better then half of the ARs in this game, and competes with the Saber in the UR category! There is not enough high end ARs that do decent damage, unless you use the Grenade Luanchers, which suck at headshots and can't  shoot through cover with AP mod.

[ntrisley]

Hopefully, the balance on the Krysae is removing it altogether.

[WYLDMAXX]

Bioware, what did the Harrier do to you deserve this nerf?

[MoeRayShep]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

The Harrier change was supposed to go in last week but it was delayed. The weight scaling at higher levels was too high compared to other weapons, so this wasn't really meant as a nerf.

Looking at stats for other weapons I can see that this is consistent; most weapons scale between 0.5 and 0.6 weight over all ten tiers. Notable exceptions:
Raptor :1.75-1.0
Indra: 1.25-1.0 (which seems unfortunate given its underwhelming performance and Ultra Rare status)
and perhaps most relevant:
Reegar Carbine: 1.75-1.0
i.e. identical scaling to the Harrier
How exactly does that make sense?

We are looking at the Krysae balance closely and will probably have some changes for it soon.

Personally, though opinion varies wildly on this, I think the Rarity of the three new weapons was backwards.
It would have made a lot more sense had the Harrier been a Rare weapon and the Krysae and Reegar been Ultra Rares. Just my 2 cents.
Balancing those weapons working backwards from the current drop rate and their relative distribution in the community (I have Reegar and Krysae at X but no Harrier, for instance) is a job a do not envy you.
Thanks for keeping us informed, though.

Modifié par MoeRayShep, 05 juin 2012 - 11:03 .