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[Selej]

Be able to save Iona for the male Human PC or your bride to be as a City Elf

[Fishy]

The chick you kill at the end and get her 2 hand sword..That my Type

She's hot.

[Squiggles1334]

It may be a cliche, but whatever. I like a man that's tall, dark, and handsome with a streak of cynicism and an inner demon he valiantly wrestles with.

So yeah, I guess another Gannayev or Valen Shadowbreath. Done to death already?

[F3ralCr]

nuculerman wrote...

We get it Bioware, women are weak and need to be coddled by a strong male character.

You do realize that this is an RPG for more hardcore gamer types, yes? imagine the types of people who must be making it!

Just kidding, bioware, I love everything you've done.. From Baldur's Gate to Fallout, NWN, and Mass Effect...... Of course, NO ONE liked that annoying "winged elf" from BG2

[Archonsg]

F3ralCr wrote...

nuculerman wrote...

We get it Bioware, women are weak and need to be coddled by a strong male character.

You do realize that this is an RPG for more hardcore gamer types, yes? imagine the types of people who must be making it!

Just kidding, bioware, I love everything you've done.. From Baldur's Gate to Fallout, NWN, and Mass Effect...... Of course, NO ONE liked that annoying "winged elf" from BG2

Aerie? Why not? Sure she's clingy, sure get hysterical and sure she's a little touched in the head...but she really mellows out and actually becomes quite confident after she has your baby.

The main thing is, back then, Baldur's gate(1 and 2 +TOB) was the only CRPG to have companions who grew and in some ways change their outlook entirely based on your actions. Viconia's romance comes to mind. It had a bitter sweet epilogue and I'll never forgive Bioware for killing her off, but in game, when she at the end had her alignment change from evil to true neutral, it was perhaps one of the most touching moments in that game.

That's sometihng that Bioware gets. When we play a CRPG, its not enough to be the hero and win big, we want to see what the effects of the PC's action has over those he touched and most of all, those closest to him, his companions. Just one look at these forums and the numerous threads about each companion (even Sandal) and its funny why no other developer gets it. Well Rockstar with their Grand Theft Auto and their upcoming western based game looks good, but to date, even they don't really have a "good" romance done.

I remember reading a posting, can't remember if it was a blog or forum posting, but one of the dev mentioned that he really hated doing romances because its one of the hardest thing to write. No one has the same idea what a "good" romance is just like no one has the same idea what the perfect spouse would be. Like the "elf maid" example. Mention having an elf maid for a possible romance in DA and some will say very loudly no. Why? Because it has been the  norm for the past games to have elves as the "exotic" choice for a romance?

Here in DA however, I don't see elves or heck dwarf as "exotic", rather I see romance possibilities with these races as having a romance option that carries with that race's believes, personality and of course prejudice. In the same vein, you could say make the new romance option human, they'd bed anything.
I'd prefer to have a new romanceable if any, be as flawed as they come, considering her or his background, and we'd get to have a longer process of learning and discovery with each other. Isn't that what really makes a good romance good? That it takes a while to become intimate and I do not mean just so you can have a tumble in the sack.

Modifié par Archonsg, 13 décembre 2009 - 05:37 .

[Archonsg]

double post

Modifié par Archonsg, 13 décembre 2009 - 07:13 .

[Vicious]

I want a future romance to be a tough ****y woman like Ser Cauthrien. Not sociopathic or overtly religious. Also a demon in the sack. And don't make her a psycho evil warrior either, I'd like her to be pragmatic and not just like darker choices for the sake of them bieng darker [like Morrigan]





Also for the ladies: Tough guy plz. No girly feelings. But not a complete weirdo like Sten.

[Suron]

F3ralCr wrote...

nuculerman wrote...

We get it Bioware, women are weak and need to be coddled by a strong male character.

You do realize that this is an RPG for more hardcore gamer types, yes? imagine the types of people who must be making it!

Just kidding, bioware, I love everything you've done.. From Baldur's Gate to Fallout, NWN, and Mass Effect...... Of course, NO ONE liked that annoying "winged elf" from BG2

wow...stupid much.  I did as my first romance through it..however I do prefer Jaheira

[F3ralCr]

Well put, Archonsg.



Also, Viconia was teh shaz.

[BroBear Berbil]

nuculerman wrote...

What is so wrong with an intelligent, kind AND strong willed female character?

You mean Wynne?

[andybuiadh]

Regarding a romancable male option, I'd like to see a strong masculine type. Not whiny like Alistair and not someone who would likely try to dry hump you as soon as look at you (Zev).



As for the female.. Leli is all I need. But it would be nice to get an Elf or a Dwarf option. Or both!

[Rainen89]

Interparty romance options would've been an interesting change. The PC having is fine and all but no one else in the party wanted to jump each others' bones? Come on...Also if possible can we have less humans? One dwarf and one elf out of 8-9 companions is kinda weak.

Modifié par Rainen89, 13 décembre 2009 - 09:10 .

[Sabriana]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

I am of an opposite mind in the romances.

Uh, I like the romances from a female perspective just fine. I do not see strength as "taking control" and "Dominant" males...well...not my thing. Assertive, stable, and self reliant, yes. Strong unto themselves, yeah. But since you are playing a "lead", having a male compete to run things rather sours the romance. A weak lead would not be able to perform her function as lead.

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I do not like the "tall dark and handsome" stereotype for males, I prefer something more real. Personal flaws, personal strengths, a realistic character. The fact that both males, Alistair and Zev, were very quirky, goofy blondes was actually quite nice.

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Agreed. Dominant males? No thank you. My PC does not have the time to constantly wrestle control away from a guy who thinks he should be in charge because he beds her. As Skadi says, assertive, stable and self reliant is a good thing, but not taking charge of my PC's party, or trying to dominate my PC in any way, shape or form. She's the leader, and if she lets someone snag control of the party and decisions, she might as well forget the lead. End of game as female PC.

I like the appearances of Allistair and Zevran just fine. Zevran seems older than Alistair, he certainly doesn't sport the flawless teint the younger elves do. I was far too disappointed by Alistair, so now Zevran is the man. I don't quite picture Zevran being helpless in the hay, he's tough in a fight, funny, and in the end, loyal (if you pursue the romance /friendship track).

It was so very surprising and noteworthy. In the end, Alistair, who promised "neverending love" dumps my human mage, but there's Zevran ready to pick up the pieces. I thought that was very well done by the writers. Neither Alistair nor Zevran are boring and one dimensional. Both have unexpected traits that the PC finds out about, all the way till the end.

Lelianna, I have yet to try out. I'm heterosexual myself, and have no feelings in that area for women. I love my women friends to pieces, but not in the sexual way. I'm just not interested, so I wonder if I can role-play a gay or bi female PC.

I do agree, the males should get a strong, assertive, good, and self-reliant romance option as well. Safiya was good, but I think the males didn't like her (non)-hairstyle. But she could definitely be a template.

[gotthammer]

Hmm. Easy answer for me: More Morrigan Please!
(this is assuming that the sequel will allow you to continue w/ your character and, thus, reap the benefits/suffer the consequences of your choices)

[Maria Caliban]

1. A romance doesn't have to be with someone in the party.

2. I don't need my PC to be the leader in every game I play.

[gotthammer]

Maria Caliban wrote...

1. A romance doesn't have to be with someone in the party.
2. I don't need my PC to be the leader in every game I play.

I agree with both points.
It would be nice to have a game w/ that kind of flexibility as far as options are concerned.
Point #2 would also make a lot of sense, esp. from an RP perspective, if there's an NPC that's presented as highly competent/efficient. Having the option to follow someone would be nice.
On the other hand, having the option to work to be 'supreme leader' would be nice, too (which isn't the case in DA:O).

[Cybercat999]

Cullen plx. I totally want romance with Cullen *sigh*

And Teagan too, if nothing else to ****** Isolde off.

[DarkSpiral]

I liked Aerie. I could not keep track of Viconia's mood swings, and Jaheira was preachy.



I also like Leliana. Notice a pattern? It's okay, I did, so you can say it.



This one was a surprise to me: I vastly preferred Ashely over Liara, in Mass Effect. I suppose she's the female version of tall, dark, and handsome. And yes, of course she had issues. Romance options that are without flaws are...well, they aren't romance options because who wants to try and compare to Miss/Mr Perfect? I forgave her for her specism in the end. Partially because she had a pretty good reason to carry a grudge, partially because she's kinda right about how humans are treated, and partially because I inspired her to change her mind.



Which, I suppose, is similar to something an earlier poster said; we liek to see the characters change in response to our actions.



A bit more on topic. Future romances? Well. I'd like one of my romanceable women to the one in the heavy armor. That would be a sharp change of pace in a fanatsy game, for the love interest to be the group's tank.

I think I'd also like to see a romance system where the other party occasionally takes the initiative to speak. DA had a couple of conversations that were initiated by party members, but they were all tied into the personal quests. I have no clue how hard that would be to implement, but it would certainly be entertaining to be romanced in return, rather than being the only driving force in the relationship.

[wycked]

Vicious wrote...

Also for the ladies: Tough guy plz. No girly feelings. But not a complete weirdo like Sten.

Second that. I didn't care much for Sten and have never used him.

I think the whole friendship/romance bit in DA:O was very nicely done, -far better than in NWN2 where I always felt I had to act out of character just to be able to keep the companions I needed and wanted. In DA if someone dissaproves on some action you do you can always butter them up later by sweettalking them and giving them gifts, lol.
I'm going to replay this game a few times so I really wish there were a couple of more romance options for both males and females. I would have loved another male elf romance option besides Zev. He's a charmer, sure, but has so many issues. A strong elf with a balanced mind would've been nice for my female elven characters. <3 And a ditto female elf for my male elven characters. I agree that the game needs strong human romance options too, both male and females. Morrigan and Leilana are both rather weird. We'll probably not see more romance options until a full expansion pack is out though, -if ever.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Maria Caliban wrote...

1. A romance doesn't have to be with someone in the party.
2. I don't need my PC to be the leader in every game I play.

1. Maybe, maybe not, but it's pretty damned hard to develop a relationship with someone you are not around much. Which is why party NPC romances make the most sense. As far as actual relationships go, rather than simple one nighter's or flings for fun. To have a real relationship, you actually need to spend alot of time with such a person. Not only getting to know them, but functioning, sharing experiences and learning likes/dislikes, hopes, aspirations, personality strengths and flaws, ect.

2. Then it's pretty pointless to play a game. An RPG is about playing through the player's eyes, from their own perspective, background, ect. Your own unique way, which a writer/developer cannot do because they do not exist in your mind. An NPC is already written, they are already set to be a certain way. Thus, to have them lead is not only limiting, but rather pointless.

Being in a leadership position does not mean total control/unswerving loyalty. In fact, a romance would be quite useless if the person mindlessly followed and said "yes dear" all the time. Disagreements, opinions, advice, and persuassion are necessary for any decent relationship. Hence, why I think the best romance option would be a male who is assertive enough to stand up for his own, yet open minded enough to see things in a different light and try different options, provided they do not conflict severely with his own personal ethics and morals. Someone not opposed at all to following, provided the leader in question if seeking an acceptable goal, and works to achieve that goal through means that he can accept as well.

And, as such a male, he will not only give advice, but step up and assist or use his own skills when the situation calls for it, and oppose you directly when he thinks you are really off the mark. Thus, it ends up being a relationship of equals, with both opinions essential for not only the success of your enveadors, but the survival of said relationship.

As for poor Alistair, what else is he to do? You forced his hand. Throught the game, it is clear that he loathes the concept of being a king, not only because he does not like leading, but he knows if made king, it means bad things for your relationship, since he has to cast aside his own personal desires for duty (though if you harden him, I hear, you can be his mistress). As king, he has to put the country first, and this means he also has to produce legit heirs. Which he can't do with an elf, mage, or dwarf, especially another Warden. If you want to keep an unhardened Alistair as a love interest, then let him have a choice in his own destiny for a change. In other words, let her royal ****ieness have the damned throne, and let him be what he truly loves: a Grey Warden "nobody" who is free to live his life without everyone living it for him. It's both the selfish and selfless choice.

Because of the complexities, extremes, and difficult descisions made, I actually find Alistair to be the most satisfying romancable in a game yet, because it's not easy and pretty, and he uses his spine in the most inopportune moments. Which makes it all the more fascinating and real.

Though I love the Zev romance as well, and my only complaint is that somehow, you can't, through hard work and a silver tongue, convince both of them to run off with you and live out your days in a nice menage' a trois somewhere. That would be epic

[Sabriana]

Maria Caliban wrote...

1. A romance doesn't have to be with someone in the party.
2. I don't need my PC to be the leader in every game I play.

I completely agree with number one.

I don't agree with number two. That's why I, personally, play games. To make the tough choices, the strategies, tactics, etc. I want to become emotionally involved, regret or rejoice in my choices. I can't do that as a follower.

I'm ok with an NPC taking a more leading role once in a while (My rogue volunteered Morrigan for the Fade bit in Redcliffe), but not constantly. It's my game, and I call the shots. That's entirely a personally preferred style of play. I feel if I just wish to follow around, I might as well just go watch a movie. LotR perhaps?

[FlintlockJazz]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...


For female romancables, I'd like to see tougher ones that are interesting and original. For starters, classes such as fighter/warrior and rogue/thug (not bard) would be really original and refreshing, as opposed to the stereotypical female=mage/priestess/bard not-getting too-dirty-girly-classes. And of course, one who is not particularly weak or needy, but actually wants to be with said character because they LIKE them. A mind blowing concept there.

I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.  ALL the mage npcs are female and ALL the warrior npcs are male, enough with the female enchanters and gruff warriors already!

[NatOreN]

I have to admit, I like women to be similar to Leliana, although maybe less religious and overly kind. To be perfectly precise, I'd like a romancable female who is loving, caring and looking for a kind man who can make her feel safe, but she could still kick your manly butt so badly, you'd need to spend the next week locating the scattered pieces.

Modifié par Saivar, 13 décembre 2009 - 01:18 .