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[Starch]

So after 3 playthroughs i found myself liking characters that were once hated. Have you experienced such things when playing through the game?
For example,  the quarian admirals, back in ME2 Admiral Han Garell was more likable compared to admiral xen or admiral koris. but it went 180 for Admiral garrel and admiral koris. 

Then there's Zaeed,  never liked the guy in ME2 but he was one cool dude in me3. Same for Din korlack, which became sympathetic character in ME3.

So any other characters that you felt made a complete turn around for you ?

[MegaBadExample]

Liara? Lol...

[GenericEnemy]

Ashley. Did a turn for the worse.

She felt like an imposter.

Modifié par GenericEnemy, 06 juin 2012 - 06:54 .

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Starch wrote...

For example,  the quarian admirals, back in ME2 Admiral Han Garell was more likable compared to admiral xen or admiral koris. but it went 180 for Admiral garrel and admiral koris. 

Xen was always the most likable for me. Dat voice.♥

Modifié par Mr. Big Pimpin, 06 juin 2012 - 06:55 .

[DevilBeast]

OneWomanArmy wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Liara? Lol...

Me too but only because she got more attention than Ashley/Kaidan or basically more than everyone.

Well, Liara = happy me so more Liara = more of happy me:D

Now, I just need to figure out how to stop her form friendzoning my Shepard all the time:?

[CptData]

Liara did a lot of turns, character twists etc ... well. I liked her in ME1, disliked her in ME2 and was okay with her in ME3. She's still too cold for my taste. I'm not even sure if she really loves Shepard or does it 'cause it comes with perks. No offense @ Liara fans

Miranda also did a 180° turn. Where's that strong, competent woman in ME3?

Jacob? Well, he has his own story. Even non-romanced it feels a bit offending what he tells Shepard about love and the Normandy.

Well and Ashley's character got twisted thanks to cut content. With that content, Ash were still the same.

[Tiberis]

Starch wrote...
For example,  the quarian admirals, back in ME2 Admiral Han Garell was more likable compared to admiral xen or admiral koris. but it went 180 for Admiral garrel and admiral koris. 

So any other characters that you felt made a complete turn around for you ?

I have to disagree on the first part. I liked Koris from the very beginning. I guess I never truly hated the geth and when Legion came around and I first heard what he had to say it did confirm my suspiscions. Gerrel and Xen were warloving lunatics who wanted to destroy or control the geth. Koris kept to his ways in ME3; he openly detested the war with the geth but despite this he still fought and actually sacrificed his ship for his people. I love Koris, and he does not get the love he deserves. I don't think any of the quarian admirals changed much. However, Raan did seem to be more, uh, admiral like? I don't know how to explain it.

Jack changed quite a bit in ME3. I think of her change as a good thing despite how sharp of a change it was. Jacob was, well, yeah. . . EDI I think did a 180. In ME2 she had this calculating, cold undertone to her that seems to have disappeared in ME3. This might be due to how things turned out in the Joker-EDI arc, but I think it was rather fast even for an AI.

[Starch]

@cptdata

agree with MIranda.

also as addition to topic,

Jack, was IMHO the most bad ass in me2 but in me3 still a bad ass but a teacher? It just doesn't feel right knowing jack wants to go pirate queen.

Ash, more feminine less marine ?

[Barquiel]

Not a complete turn (I never hated her), but I like Jack more in ME3. I like her new look and direction they took with her character.

Ashley became one of my least favorite characters in ME3.
Cerberus-Cerberus-Cerberus-she's drunk-the end

[Asch Lavigne]

I'd have to put Jack at the top of the list. Though I found her change to be unbelievable. I mean I was glad she had something to care about, don't get me wrong, but a teacher, really? I just didn't buy it.

Liara should be mentioned for obvious reasons.

Mordin, especially of the player backed his genophage modification.

I also feel that Garrus and Tali should be mentioned. They grew so much from the first game. It was a pleasure to watch them grow and change and be right there along for the ride.

Also Wrex. He went from a mercenary who when Shep asked if he would help his people he said (more or less) "what the hell do you want me to do about it?" to uniting the Krogan, getting a cure and working to make sure the Krogan don't screw up their new chance.

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 06 juin 2012 - 09:44 .

[mnomaha]

Thane--if he was romanced. At the end of ME2, he wanted to live. In ME3, he was back to his RM attitude.

[AxStapleton]

I really don't think Gerrel did a complete 180. He always wanted to charge head first into the Geth. He was more palatable in ME2 because you killed a lot of Geth in ME1 and you had no real context where you could actually like them, He also was the one Admiral who was defending Tali in her trial. He still wanted to throw the Migrant Fleet at the Geth in ME2. Admiral Koris was always against a war with the Geth. Koris is less likeable in ME2 because he's the one pressing charges against Tali so that leaves us more inclined to not like him. Of course that is if you liked Tali.

[Aurora313]

I felt incredibly unsatisfied with Ashley's development, although she's my favourite character. Her romance arc is entirely too short. Her misconceptions about Cerberus are acceptable the first time when she asks for a 'straight answer' after entiring the Mars Outpost. Her concern after seeing the Centurion Husk hybrid is understandable, but hypothesising about whether or not Shepard is in control of his own actions - I have to ask, if TIM was controling him? Why in HELL send him back to the Alliance when it would have been far easier in his long-term plans to have Shepard stay with Cerberus? I don't but any answer that has to do with spying on the Alliance, TIM already has people on the inside.

[Apathy1989]

Quarian Admirals - I liked this role reversal.

Miranda - All she does is act emotionally drained, then cries about wanting to put a chip in your head. Not very 'strong woman' of her.

Jacob - Well he was always boring, but he took a turn for the worse. Every conversation came over as very disrespectful toward shepard and the crew. Its worse if you romanced him.

Udina - He took a few turns. I didn't like him pre-ME3. Then ME3 he is very easy to empathise with, and appears to be helping. Then he does the coup attempt.

Jack - Becoming a teacher is odd, but I liked the character development.

TIM - He went from 'ends justify the means' and 'avoid encountering the alliance', to 'constantly undermine the fight against the reapers' and 'make bats*** crazy science experiments on humans'.



Some people have mentioned Ash, and I think her problem was she didn't make any character reversal during ME3. She kept banging on and on. Then she got drunk, and moaned about her sister. She didn't seem to do anything with her life, unlike Kaiden.

Modifié par Apathy1989, 06 juin 2012 - 09:52 .

[Starch]

AxStapleton wrote...

I really don't think Gerrel did a complete 180. He always wanted to charge head first into the Geth. He was more palatable in ME2 because you killed a lot of Geth in ME1 and you had no real context where you could actually like them, He also was the one Admiral who was defending Tali in her trial. He still wanted to throw the Migrant Fleet at the Geth in ME2. Admiral Koris was always against a war with the Geth. Koris is less likeable in ME2 because he's the one pressing charges against Tali so that leaves us more inclined to not like him. Of course that is if you liked Tali.

Yeah I guess so, garrel was more likable because he supports tali/shep during the trial and koris was the one trying to shoot down tali. Then ME3 garrel ordered the heavy fleet  to literally shoot down the geth dreadnought.

[CptData]

@ Barquiel & Apathy
Funny part is: without the cut content for Ash, she would feel the same like in ME1. I read all of those lines and ... well, it appears as if a third of her lines (dialogue / non-dialogue) got cut.

Since those cuts are character-damaging, you're both right. Ashley got reduced to Cerberus & drunken if not romanced. And if romanced, it's Cerberus & drunken & sex ^^

[Apathy1989]

CptData wrote...

@ Barquiel & Apathy
Funny part is: without the cut content for Ash, she would feel the same like in ME1. I read all of those lines and ... well, it appears as if a third of her lines (dialogue / non-dialogue) got cut.

Since those cuts are character-damaging, you're both right. Ashley got reduced to Cerberus & drunken if not romanced. And if romanced, it's Cerberus & drunken & sex ^^

I found the drunken seen particularly disapointing when I romanced her. I would have expected her to bring her problems to Shepard, but nope the bottle is for that.

[Grimwick]

Liara ME1-2, though at least they tried to explain why and it is (sorta) justified. She still retains a large portion of her ME1 personality but it is well hidden - other than it being so sudden and her friend-zoning I'd argue that this change well done in fact.

Han Gerrel was alright when you talked to him in ME2 but in ME3 I just wanted to punch him very time he spoke.
Koris on the other hand didn't change too much, he was actually pretty balanced if you talked to him between/after the trial in ME2.

Ashley's character was slaughtered after the first game. Miranda turned into a bit of wuss all of a sudden. Udina had a bit of a turn and TIM turned outright psycho imo.

[l7986]

Hated Zal'Korris in ME2 but he is actually not that bad in ME3 and only like Adm Xen even more. Always got the feeling when the war ends Adm Xen would open up a small bdsm shop or club on Rannoch.Only ever played Me2 because PS3 but after Horizon I was like ok I can deal with it you will be able to talk to Ashley in the third game. Little did I know that Zaeed likes to dress up as a woman with long black hair.

Modifié par l7986, 06 juin 2012 - 10:41 .

[CptData]

Apathy1989 wrote...

CptData wrote...

@ Barquiel & Apathy
Funny part is: without the cut content for Ash, she would feel the same like in ME1. I read all of those lines and ... well, it appears as if a third of her lines (dialogue / non-dialogue) got cut.

Since those cuts are character-damaging, you're both right. Ashley got reduced to Cerberus & drunken if not romanced. And if romanced, it's Cerberus & drunken & sex ^^

I found the drunken seen particularly disapointing when I romanced her. I would have expected her to bring her problems to Shepard, but nope the bottle is for that.

It was disappointing because she did it with Vega. With Vega? Her subordinate? After all, she's the second highest ranking officer on board (technically, she holds the same rank as Shepard) and could be the XO ...
And: why does she drink with him? Why not with Shepard? O.o

One of the cut dialogues (a full dialogue!) was dealing with Shepard's "death time". There's a "slideshow" showing that dialogue in the Ashley thread, maybe I look for it later.

[MegaBadExample]

Starch wrote...

@cptdata

agree with MIranda.

also as addition to topic,

Jack, was IMHO the most bad ass in me2 but in me3 still a bad ass but a teacher? It just doesn't feel right knowing jack wants to go pirate queen.

Ash, more feminine less marine ?

If you get to know Ashley personally, yes. Out in the field? She's very much a marine. Professional and tough.

Miranda turned into a teary mess.

Yeah, I somewhat agree with you on Jack.

[MegaBadExample]

Apathy1989 wrote...

CptData wrote...

@ Barquiel & Apathy
Funny part is: without the cut content for Ash, she would feel the same like in ME1. I read all of those lines and ... well, it appears as if a third of her lines (dialogue / non-dialogue) got cut.

Since those cuts are character-damaging, you're both right. Ashley got reduced to Cerberus & drunken if not romanced. And if romanced, it's Cerberus & drunken & sex ^^

I found the drunken seen particularly disapointing when I romanced her. I would have expected her to bring her problems to Shepard, but nope the bottle is for that.

But she did tell her problems to Shepard. She says so in the hospital. Ashley told you about what's bothering her - her sister, and losing her brother in law. She even invites Shepard  to the memorial, gets emotional, looks for his support and opens up a lot. Ash gets drunk after that scene. She had a rough day, and I guess to her 'drinking' is a way of getting it off her mind, and letting go.

Ash needed another conversation on the Normandy pretty badly, though.

[Stalker]

In a good way:
- Jack. Came down to a normal human being and started a life after the torture. Only problem: Also Renegade Sheps get her teacher side.

In a bad way:
- Miranda. Her family and sensitive side overwhelmed what the ruthless Cerberus officer once was. Always appreciated that side, but the exclusion from the Cerberus arc was disturbing.
- Liara. Really poor executed. She kinda tries to be that ruthless Shadow Broker (a role she has been forced in to maintain her importance through the plot) and a few moments later she is this sensitive Asari again.

Who I don't think changed:
- Ashley. She is still that loyal, tough and racist marine with a very strong affection to the Alliance. I don't see any change throughout the trilogy.

[jahaa]

Kaidan, but in a good way. He's a good boy. I'm glad i saved him in my canon savegame.