I kinda saw it coming for Mordin while doing his Loyalty mission.
Then as for EDI, I kinda consider EDI to be a new character in ME3 Thanks to the new body. Then again after releasing the AI Shackles was the turning point for me.
Characters that you felt made a 180 turn
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 05:57
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(WARNING! Megapost INCOMING!)
-Liara :
Honestly I think Liara has come a long way since ME1. When you first recruit her she's this intelligent and analytical yet innocent and at times naive asari that feels rather out of place & uncomfortable among other people. As the friendship/ relationship starts to built up I have the feeling that Liara matures a little bit along the way. When Shepard dies in ME2 and meets up with her later on Ilium she seems suprisingly cold and distant - pretty much out of character. She becomes an information broker and a rather fierce one , kinda stepping into Benezia's footsteps. In the LotSB though, everything makes sense. She's lost a great friend (or loved one) that she cared deeply for and respected. She's been hurt for a long time , trying to get back up on her feet and move on. She's distant cause she's cautious that Shepard might not be the same person anymore & maybe even feeling a lil bit of guilt for giving him/her to Cerberus ,even if the end justified the means.
To me , it seems like part of Liara died along with Shepard -regardless if there was any romance involved. She had always been a loner, someone who used to spend more time dealing with computers and datas rather than actual people (quoting Liara here
) and Shepard was the one who managed to see through her in some way. Now regarding ME3 , all I have to say is that Liara doesn't seem to have changed in a bad direction , she's just a bit more emotional which is totally natural at the time. I believe Shepard brings the best out of her in ME3 keeping her sane and vice versa. It was good to see her lighten up a little! The writers really did a great job with Liara through out the games , developing her steadily into a complete badass -but with a soft side.
All these coming from a gamer who never romanced Liara btw.
-Jacob, Jacob...Jacob:
Well guess what fellas, Jacob is still ... Jacob, no arguments here. If you romanced him ,then damn, I feel sorry for you cause he acts like a complete tool. So yeah, I think Jacob should have been treated a bit differently as a LI but overall he hasn't changed at all, except for the above of course.
-Jack:
I always liked Jack, she was a real badass in ME2 though reckless. She certainly has changed a lot in ME3, she seems to have finally matured and learned how to let people in (her students in that case). From a menace she became a guardian and she deffinately did it with style! Grissom Academy was one of my favorite and fun missions mostly because of the interraction with her and the students.
-Miranda:
Miranda definately wins this. She has outdone everyone in ME3. She ,Illussive man's right hand may I say , runs away from Cerberus (what the!) , gets hunted down and asks Shepard more than once to meet with her just to express her worries about her sister. Well, I just don't get it. She used to be this powerful ,tough gal ,apathetic and emotionless most of the time and now she's turned into a lost puppy. Leaving Cerberus certainly has worked out good for her ,well if she didnt die on Sanctuary that is, but I think we could definately have used her in Illussive Man's base at least. Would have been intense.
-Shepard :
I'll dare to add Shep in here as well. He/She seems to be more..human and vunrenable in ME3 ,kind of like in the first game of the series. Which is a good thing of course since the story is more realistic that way.
-Liara :
Honestly I think Liara has come a long way since ME1. When you first recruit her she's this intelligent and analytical yet innocent and at times naive asari that feels rather out of place & uncomfortable among other people. As the friendship/ relationship starts to built up I have the feeling that Liara matures a little bit along the way. When Shepard dies in ME2 and meets up with her later on Ilium she seems suprisingly cold and distant - pretty much out of character. She becomes an information broker and a rather fierce one , kinda stepping into Benezia's footsteps. In the LotSB though, everything makes sense. She's lost a great friend (or loved one) that she cared deeply for and respected. She's been hurt for a long time , trying to get back up on her feet and move on. She's distant cause she's cautious that Shepard might not be the same person anymore & maybe even feeling a lil bit of guilt for giving him/her to Cerberus ,even if the end justified the means.
To me , it seems like part of Liara died along with Shepard -regardless if there was any romance involved. She had always been a loner, someone who used to spend more time dealing with computers and datas rather than actual people (quoting Liara here
) and Shepard was the one who managed to see through her in some way. Now regarding ME3 , all I have to say is that Liara doesn't seem to have changed in a bad direction , she's just a bit more emotional which is totally natural at the time. I believe Shepard brings the best out of her in ME3 keeping her sane and vice versa. It was good to see her lighten up a little! The writers really did a great job with Liara through out the games , developing her steadily into a complete badass -but with a soft side. All these coming from a gamer who never romanced Liara btw.
-Jacob, Jacob...Jacob:
Well guess what fellas, Jacob is still ... Jacob, no arguments here. If you romanced him ,then damn, I feel sorry for you cause he acts like a complete tool. So yeah, I think Jacob should have been treated a bit differently as a LI but overall he hasn't changed at all, except for the above of course.
-Jack:
I always liked Jack, she was a real badass in ME2 though reckless. She certainly has changed a lot in ME3, she seems to have finally matured and learned how to let people in (her students in that case). From a menace she became a guardian and she deffinately did it with style! Grissom Academy was one of my favorite and fun missions mostly because of the interraction with her and the students.
-Miranda:
Miranda definately wins this. She has outdone everyone in ME3. She ,Illussive man's right hand may I say , runs away from Cerberus (what the!) , gets hunted down and asks Shepard more than once to meet with her just to express her worries about her sister. Well, I just don't get it. She used to be this powerful ,tough gal ,apathetic and emotionless most of the time and now she's turned into a lost puppy. Leaving Cerberus certainly has worked out good for her ,well if she didnt die on Sanctuary that is, but I think we could definately have used her in Illussive Man's base at least. Would have been intense.
-Shepard :
I'll dare to add Shep in here as well. He/She seems to be more..human and vunrenable in ME3 ,kind of like in the first game of the series. Which is a good thing of course since the story is more realistic that way.
#53
Posté 07 juin 2012 - 07:26
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Ash- took a turn for the worse by becoming everything she once claimed she wasn't
Jacob- Went from being a badass corsair to using cheap excuses for being a glorified bodyguard for people who didn't even need protection
Kasumi - Hurr durr, I don't wanna go on a suicide mission even though all of us can die any minute!
Thane - Goes from being desperate to live on back to being fine with death. The hell?
TIM- I don't think I even have to elaborate on this one.
Jacob- Went from being a badass corsair to using cheap excuses for being a glorified bodyguard for people who didn't even need protection
Kasumi - Hurr durr, I don't wanna go on a suicide mission even though all of us can die any minute!
Thane - Goes from being desperate to live on back to being fine with death. The hell?
TIM- I don't think I even have to elaborate on this one.
#54
Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:43
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The biggest changes for the worse were in Liara and Jacob.
Liara's change is a side effect of what comes across as writer favoritism, that someone on the staff preferred her over the other love interests, and so wanted her to be everything to appeal to everyone so everyone would romance her, finding something in her that they liked. She's a shy naive youthful (might even say virginal) awkward nerdy girl, she's also a badass information broker who can kick twelve kinds of ass without blinking while also being completely devoted to Shepard and openly interested in him/her. All at once. Particularly given that her character evolution from ME1 to ME2 is such a massive shift that Shepard never sees, it feels like she has had these changes forced on her because she wasn't everyone's first choice, so they wanted to give her something that made her appeal to those she hadn't previously without alienating the original Liara-mancers.
I just don't like the handling of Jacob in ME3, because it basically feels like he was written from the perspective of 'least favorite character of ME2, don't think about it, no one really cares.' Either he dumps Shepard and knocks up another woman without even a letter or he really kind of brushes Shepard off and insults them (that 'the Normandy is your love' line. I am not Captain Kirk, and, while I'd want to take the Normandy with me as I fly off into the sunset, if it came down to the Normandy or my love interest, I would take my love interest, every time).
I do think that Jack and even the council get some good character changes. Jack's mellowed and become almost respectible, having found something that matters to her that both gives her purpose and allows her to channel all of the emotions she'd let run her life into something productive. And the council FINALLY realizes what massive douches they've been and remove their heads from their collective asses and listen to Shepard.
Liara's change is a side effect of what comes across as writer favoritism, that someone on the staff preferred her over the other love interests, and so wanted her to be everything to appeal to everyone so everyone would romance her, finding something in her that they liked. She's a shy naive youthful (might even say virginal) awkward nerdy girl, she's also a badass information broker who can kick twelve kinds of ass without blinking while also being completely devoted to Shepard and openly interested in him/her. All at once. Particularly given that her character evolution from ME1 to ME2 is such a massive shift that Shepard never sees, it feels like she has had these changes forced on her because she wasn't everyone's first choice, so they wanted to give her something that made her appeal to those she hadn't previously without alienating the original Liara-mancers.
I just don't like the handling of Jacob in ME3, because it basically feels like he was written from the perspective of 'least favorite character of ME2, don't think about it, no one really cares.' Either he dumps Shepard and knocks up another woman without even a letter or he really kind of brushes Shepard off and insults them (that 'the Normandy is your love' line. I am not Captain Kirk, and, while I'd want to take the Normandy with me as I fly off into the sunset, if it came down to the Normandy or my love interest, I would take my love interest, every time).
I do think that Jack and even the council get some good character changes. Jack's mellowed and become almost respectible, having found something that matters to her that both gives her purpose and allows her to channel all of the emotions she'd let run her life into something productive. And the council FINALLY realizes what massive douches they've been and remove their heads from their collective asses and listen to Shepard.
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:52
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dgcatanisiri wrote...
The biggest changes for the worse were in Liara and Jacob.
Liara's change is a side effect of what comes across as writer favoritism, that someone on the staff preferred her over the other love interests, and so wanted her to be everything to appeal to everyone so everyone would romance her, finding something in her that they liked. She's a shy naive youthful (might even say virginal) awkward nerdy girl, she's also a badass information broker who can kick twelve kinds of ass without blinking while also being completely devoted to Shepard and openly interested in him/her. All at once. Particularly given that her character evolution from ME1 to ME2 is such a massive shift that Shepard never sees, it feels like she has had these changes forced on her because she wasn't everyone's first choice, so they wanted to give her something that made her appeal to those she hadn't previously without alienating the original Liara-mancers.
I just don't like the handling of Jacob in ME3, because it basically feels like he was written from the perspective of 'least favorite character of ME2, don't think about it, no one really cares.' Either he dumps Shepard and knocks up another woman without even a letter or he really kind of brushes Shepard off and insults them (that 'the Normandy is your love' line. I am not Captain Kirk, and, while I'd want to take the Normandy with me as I fly off into the sunset, if it came down to the Normandy or my love interest, I would take my love interest, every time).
I do think that Jack and even the council get some good character changes. Jack's mellowed and become almost respectible, having found something that matters to her that both gives her purpose and allows her to channel all of the emotions she'd let run her life into something productive. And the council FINALLY realizes what massive douches they've been and remove their heads from their collective asses and listen to Shepard.
Mad that Liara got more content than your Li.
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 11:42
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Thane who went resigned and all absent. Not himself at all. And Jacob who did impregnated some random dr girl few monthes after getting the priiiize....And Shepard who seem all wobbling like a jelly bear when walking or just accepting the transparent blue kid options...
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 02:06
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Mad that you know everything he says is true.shepard1038 wrote...
dgcatanisiri wrote...
The biggest changes for the worse were in Liara and Jacob.
Liara's change is a side effect of what comes across as writer favoritism, that someone on the staff preferred her over the other love interests, and so wanted her to be everything to appeal to everyone so everyone would romance her, finding something in her that they liked. She's a shy naive youthful (might even say virginal) awkward nerdy girl, she's also a badass information broker who can kick twelve kinds of ass without blinking while also being completely devoted to Shepard and openly interested in him/her. All at once. Particularly given that her character evolution from ME1 to ME2 is such a massive shift that Shepard never sees, it feels like she has had these changes forced on her because she wasn't everyone's first choice, so they wanted to give her something that made her appeal to those she hadn't previously without alienating the original Liara-mancers.
I just don't like the handling of Jacob in ME3, because it basically feels like he was written from the perspective of 'least favorite character of ME2, don't think about it, no one really cares.' Either he dumps Shepard and knocks up another woman without even a letter or he really kind of brushes Shepard off and insults them (that 'the Normandy is your love' line. I am not Captain Kirk, and, while I'd want to take the Normandy with me as I fly off into the sunset, if it came down to the Normandy or my love interest, I would take my love interest, every time).
I do think that Jack and even the council get some good character changes. Jack's mellowed and become almost respectible, having found something that matters to her that both gives her purpose and allows her to channel all of the emotions she'd let run her life into something productive. And the council FINALLY realizes what massive douches they've been and remove their heads from their collective asses and listen to Shepard.
Mad that Liara got more content than your Li.
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 02:13
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Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...
Mad that you know everything he says is true.
Couldn't be any further from the truth actually.
It's called marketing and analyzing target markets. Bioware has it.
Besides, did you really think every LI deserved the same content? Kelly Chambers, Cortez, Allers, ect..
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Posté 08 juin 2012 - 01:51
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Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...
Mad that you know everything he says is true.shepard1038 wrote...
dgcatanisiri wrote...
The biggest changes for the worse were in Liara and Jacob.
Liara's change is a side effect of what comes across as writer favoritism, that someone on the staff preferred her over the other love interests, and so wanted her to be everything to appeal to everyone so everyone would romance her, finding something in her that they liked. She's a shy naive youthful (might even say virginal) awkward nerdy girl, she's also a badass information broker who can kick twelve kinds of ass without blinking while also being completely devoted to Shepard and openly interested in him/her. All at once. Particularly given that her character evolution from ME1 to ME2 is such a massive shift that Shepard never sees, it feels like she has had these changes forced on her because she wasn't everyone's first choice, so they wanted to give her something that made her appeal to those she hadn't previously without alienating the original Liara-mancers.
I just don't like the handling of Jacob in ME3, because it basically feels like he was written from the perspective of 'least favorite character of ME2, don't think about it, no one really cares.' Either he dumps Shepard and knocks up another woman without even a letter or he really kind of brushes Shepard off and insults them (that 'the Normandy is your love' line. I am not Captain Kirk, and, while I'd want to take the Normandy with me as I fly off into the sunset, if it came down to the Normandy or my love interest, I would take my love interest, every time).
I do think that Jack and even the council get some good character changes. Jack's mellowed and become almost respectible, having found something that matters to her that both gives her purpose and allows her to channel all of the emotions she'd let run her life into something productive. And the council FINALLY realizes what massive douches they've been and remove their heads from their collective asses and listen to Shepard.
Mad that Liara got more content than your Li.
The only reason Liara gets more content is because she is one of the most popular characters it has everything
to do with popularity. Do you think a less popular character will get more content than a popular one.
Bioware doesn't have unlimited resources.
Modifié par shepard1038, 08 juin 2012 - 01:52 .
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Posté 08 juin 2012 - 01:58
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Don't confuse popularity with most romanced as she is obviously going to be the most romanced since she was available to both man/fem Sheps. I never really perceived her as being THAT popular though. I know people were ticked she got a smaller role in ME2 but just as many were upset that VS also did.shepard1038 wrote...
Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...
Mad that you know everything he says is true.shepard1038 wrote...
dgcatanisiri wrote...
The biggest changes for the worse were in Liara and Jacob.
Liara's change is a side effect of what comes across as writer favoritism, that someone on the staff preferred her over the other love interests, and so wanted her to be everything to appeal to everyone so everyone would romance her, finding something in her that they liked. She's a shy naive youthful (might even say virginal) awkward nerdy girl, she's also a badass information broker who can kick twelve kinds of ass without blinking while also being completely devoted to Shepard and openly interested in him/her. All at once. Particularly given that her character evolution from ME1 to ME2 is such a massive shift that Shepard never sees, it feels like she has had these changes forced on her because she wasn't everyone's first choice, so they wanted to give her something that made her appeal to those she hadn't previously without alienating the original Liara-mancers.
I just don't like the handling of Jacob in ME3, because it basically feels like he was written from the perspective of 'least favorite character of ME2, don't think about it, no one really cares.' Either he dumps Shepard and knocks up another woman without even a letter or he really kind of brushes Shepard off and insults them (that 'the Normandy is your love' line. I am not Captain Kirk, and, while I'd want to take the Normandy with me as I fly off into the sunset, if it came down to the Normandy or my love interest, I would take my love interest, every time).
I do think that Jack and even the council get some good character changes. Jack's mellowed and become almost respectible, having found something that matters to her that both gives her purpose and allows her to channel all of the emotions she'd let run her life into something productive. And the council FINALLY realizes what massive douches they've been and remove their heads from their collective asses and listen to Shepard.
Mad that Liara got more content than your Li.
The only reason Liara gets more content is because she is one of the most popular characters it has everything
to do with popularity. Do you think a less popular character will get more content than a popular one.
Bioware doesn't have unlimited resources.
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Posté 08 juin 2012 - 01:59
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shepard1038 wrote...
The only reason Liara gets more content is because she is one of the most popular characters it has everything
to do with popularity. Do you think a less popular character will get more content than a popular one.
Bioware doesn't have unlimited resources.
You just set yourself up for something.
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Posté 08 juin 2012 - 02:01
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Liara and... Jack, I think.
I don't need to explain the Archeologist to Shadow Broker horrible plot thingy or the barely hold a gun to beat every single SB merc and beyond...
Ah yes, Hackett and the poorly written Illusive Man.
I don't need to explain the Archeologist to Shadow Broker horrible plot thingy or the barely hold a gun to beat every single SB merc and beyond...
Ah yes, Hackett and the poorly written Illusive Man.
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Posté 08 juin 2012 - 02:02
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Alhough I agree that Liara made 180 turn form me1 to me2.
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Posté 08 juin 2012 - 05:15
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I never really perceived her as being THAT popular though. I know people were ticked she got a smaller role in ME2 but just as many were upset that VS also did.
The three most popular squadmates in the trilogy are Garrus, Tali & Liara. Nearly everytime there is a poll on favorite characters those three round out the top. I think that has more to do with the amount of content they've gotten than any favoritism on the part of the writers.
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Posté 08 juin 2012 - 05:19
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Liara several times. I also don't believe Miranda or Jack's 180s. Jack's seemed forced while Miranda still seemed like it was a lie to use shep.
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Posté 08 juin 2012 - 07:37
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While Liara does certainly change, as a few people pointed out, I think it makes sense for her. From a developer point of view I think they changed Liara because they added Tali as an LI. The LIs are all very different from each other, except ME1 Liara and Tali are both the shy, cute, innocent type, so they changed up Liara a bit and let Tali take that role. That's how I see why they changed Liara
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Posté 08 juin 2012 - 08:57
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I think Liara's characterization is all over the place. A nerdy scientist who is thrown into combat situations without having proper training turns Shadow Broker, then turns ... I don't know ... soldier-ly action girl? And the reason for why this is supposed to make sense is because Shepard dragged a civilian into combat situations.
I don't know. It just doesn't sit right with me. My headcanon says Liara (and Tali for that matter) stay on the ship and I delude myself into thinking Shepard is sensible and responsible enough to use the marines on the SR1. You know, as part of the crew that was supposed to have been handpicked by Anderson.
I don't know. It just doesn't sit right with me. My headcanon says Liara (and Tali for that matter) stay on the ship and I delude myself into thinking Shepard is sensible and responsible enough to use the marines on the SR1. You know, as part of the crew that was supposed to have been handpicked by Anderson.
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Posté 08 juin 2012 - 09:06
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Han Shot First wrote...
I never really perceived her as being THAT popular though. I know people were ticked she got a smaller role in ME2 but just as many were upset that VS also did.
The three most popular squadmates in the trilogy are Garrus, Tali & Liara. Nearly everytime there is a poll on favorite characters those three round out the top. I think that has more to do with the amount of content they've gotten than any favoritism on the part of the writers.
Keep in mind Tali got sidelined in ME2 and ME3 for the first half of the game each. And the way how BW revealed her face isn't what I would call "fanservice".
Whatever. It's kinda fascination, if the VS were ONE character, the VS were part of the top three, while "it" isn't if separated to Ashley and Kaidan.
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Posté 08 juin 2012 - 09:48
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Thane. Jacob (if romanced), and also Liara she changes so goddamn much it's not even funny. As Hitler called her once "The manic bipolar blueberry",
Ashley's look did a 180 for me. It completely went way too far and ruined her sexiness for me.
Ashley's look did a 180 for me. It completely went way too far and ruined her sexiness for me.
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Posté 08 juin 2012 - 10:20
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Thane. Especially if romanced in ME2. He wanted to live by the end of his ME2 romanced character arc. In ME3, it's as if nothing ever happened.
Liara: she was a kick-ass character in LotSB. She went back to being a whiny child in ME3.
Jacob: he was, until the LotSB dossier, to ever tell Shepard that he loved her (while in a relationship with her). Now he's knocked up some other chick and is in love with her.
Joker. He was a lovable... well... joker in ME1 and 2. In ME3, he's just a creep.
Liara: she was a kick-ass character in LotSB. She went back to being a whiny child in ME3.
Jacob: he was, until the LotSB dossier, to ever tell Shepard that he loved her (while in a relationship with her). Now he's knocked up some other chick and is in love with her.
Joker. He was a lovable... well... joker in ME1 and 2. In ME3, he's just a creep.
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Posté 08 juin 2012 - 10:38
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gearseffect wrote...
Thane. Jacob (if romanced), and also Liara she changes so goddamn much it's not even funny. As Hitler called her once "The manic bipolar blueberry",
Ashley's look did a 180 for me. It completely went way too far and ruined her sexiness for me.
Jacob turns by 180° even if not romanced. I dunno, but I felt uneasy when talking to him - somehow Jacob changed to the worse.
And Ash? Well, I wished for an option to have her bun back - at least for battle. I love her open hair, but it fits more to romantic scenes than to a battle hardened soldier ...
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Posté 08 juin 2012 - 10:45
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CptData wrote...
gearseffect wrote...
Thane. Jacob (if romanced), and also Liara she changes so goddamn much it's not even funny. As Hitler called her once "The manic bipolar blueberry",
Ashley's look did a 180 for me. It completely went way too far and ruined her sexiness for me.
Jacob turns by 180° even if not romanced. I dunno, but I felt uneasy when talking to him - somehow Jacob changed to the worse.
And Ash? Well, I wished for an option to have her bun back - at least for battle. I love her open hair, but it fits more to romantic scenes than to a battle hardened soldier ...
OK so I wasn't crazy about that, I kind felt uneasy talking with Jacob I just figured it was due to the leaked scripts I'd seen. At the hospital where he got all I don't hostile with me it was like hell he got that way a few other times.
Which was odd because in ME2 he was like the only human I felt like he'd have my back no matter what, and was just a plan good dude. Given Cerberus I had hated already he was a good sort of stablizing person there.
