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[MidnightRaith]

OneWomanArmy wrote...

Well, its kinda hard to keep explaining the meaning of something when a person just doesnt seem to understand what it means, so I am not going to keep explaining what this thread is about, you dont or wont seem to understand and thats okay cause thats your right. English is not my native language so I am afraid I wont be able to explain this better to you.

Understand this thread in your head the way that pleases you, not everyone has the ability to understand everything, I wont judge you I promise!

Okay, not one tiny answer to anything I brought up? Nothing on how Bioware is forcing you to play as a lesbian or how Liara plays into it? You're just dodging the issue. This is all about how you didn't get the options you wanted and how irked you are about what other people got instead. Be it Manshep or Liara fans. I get what you're saying perfectly, you just don't want to talk about it.

You wanted a thread where everyone agreed with you like: "Oh, man, you are so right! Bioware totally screwed Femshep over and is forcing her into a sexual orientation!" Problem is, only half of that statement is true. The other is where people are going to disagree and where you have nothing to say because it is false. But, whatever, continue to be passive aggressive with your topic and how you perceive me.

[Tiberis]

jahaa wrote...

Expressing and opinion isn't trolling. Posting useless images as an attempt to look cool, yes, Tiberis.
Oh and i don't play Sims, but i think it is a very good idea for some people here. At least they won't feel so dramatically dissapointed.

It's not an opinion, it's a fact. No one ever wanted or said they wanted ME to be a dating sim, but everytime discussion about romances comes up someone always has to bring it up like it matters. None of the romances are simulations of dating. The romances add an optional venue to further explore characters you like. To allow people to make their own choices and see the outcome. They are also part of the larger artistic expression of the game and part of the immersion. With a few exceptions, BioWare has executed the whole romance thing well and tastefully. If people want more of such content, why is that a big deal? No one is asking for an damn dating simulation so stop saying that.

[Fox In The Box]

Look, there are two male options available to you. Any new female player is either not going to care about the romances or do the minimal research required to find out that Kaidan is one and save him over Ashley. Yes, straight FemSheps should have had as many options as straight ManShep, and that is a valid point. But to go from that to claiming that Bioware is trying to pressure you over to the gay side is hyperbolic and outright false.

[vvDRUCILLAvv]

Yeah, basically straight female players got screwed over in the LI department but oh well, the game was a flop anyways.

[MidnightRaith]

OneWomanArmy wrote...

I did say explaining it to you wouldnt help since you would kinda make up your own understanding in your head didnt I? You actually just helped proved my point....

Ironically, you actually proved mine. You don't want to talk about the basic topic of this thread. How is Bioware forcing you to play as a lesbian and how does Liara play into it? You really, really don't want to answer this question, apparently. I don't know if it's because you don't have an answer since that is not true, or because you only wanted to use the topic to garner attention for your little protest. However, the question is still there. You are just hiding from it by implying that I'm illiterate.

[jahaa]

Tiberis wrote...

If people want more of such content, why is that a big deal?

Don't get me wrong, but i don't have nothing against adding more content to other LI's. The 'problem' comes when the the only way of asking for more of this content is bashing another character. Liara mostly. Is that fair?

That's why i think Liara bashers are a bunch of jelly people. And jelly people derserve the "sim card" as a response.
I'm not talking about you, of course.

Modifié par jahaa, 06 juin 2012 - 11:11 .

[lillitheris]

Fox In The Box wrote...

But to go from that to claiming that Bioware is trying to pressure you over to the gay side is hyperbolic and outright false.

I don’t think that’s entirely true. BW ensured that there were three same-sex options (Traynor, Allers, and Liara for the purposes of this discussion), two of whom are new, while simultaneously forgetting about Thane — by their own admission — and just flat-out nixing Jacob. This is especially troublesome because the two remaining options depend on ME (Kaidan) and ME2 (Garrus). A f/f Shepard will have at least 2 options (I’m not sure if you can mess up with Liara to the point that you can’t start in ME3), whereas a straight female Shepard will in the worst case have none.

That’s not the fault of the characters, obviously, or the fault of the players who like the other romances, but something went very badly wrong with BW’s romance design for ME3. It’s really hard to accidentally screw up so horrendously.

While it’s hyperbolic, I think it’s a perfectly justified ‘theory’ until someone at BioWare actually addresses the issue somehow.

Modifié par lillitheris, 06 juin 2012 - 11:12 .

[Emerald Rift]

I agree OP, Femshep got screwed with male LI's and that ruins replay value to me. I was going to create a character to romance Thane (Garrus and Kaidan romance gets boring after a while) but since the writers "forgot" he was a LI his plot is butchered.
Vega would have been great and his dialogue was very misleading...such a tease. 

I think Bioware forget that some people just like to play straight characters as well as bisexual and gay characters. It's great that there many different options but the straight options were left to the sideline alittle.

Modifié par Stamina Rose, 06 juin 2012 - 11:12 .

[Fox In The Box]

OneWomanArmy wrote...

That it is your opinion and I respect it but you can only say its false in your opinion. I believe Bioware has a thing for lebianism and I stand by that statement.

I'm saying it's false because it's objectively false. If Bioware had actually removed all male options or reduced the male options available to Kelly/Allers style romances, you would have a point in so far that Bioware didn't care enough about the female fanbase. This is not what happens here. Kaidan got quite a bit of attention, even more so than Ashley, as did Garrus. The fact that the other romance options didn't get quite as much attention as the Liara  one is a general complaint that many straight male gamers have too, and does not indicate that Bioware is trying to pressure you into romancing her, or that they "have a thing for lesbianism."

lillitheris wrote...

While it’s hyperbolic, I think it’s a
perfectly justified ‘theory’ until someone at BioWare actually
addresses the issue somehow.

That Bioware didn't pay as much attention to the female fanbase as the male one is justified. That they want their female players to roleplay gay women isn't.

Modifié par Fox In The Box, 06 juin 2012 - 11:37 .

[nos_astra]

In general the replay value has dimished quite a bit with ME3, seeing how most decisions are completely inconsequential. Shepard's personality also doesn't allow for too much variety.
You'd get two significantly different playthroughs tops, the rest would be only variations of these two.

If you replay more often than that everything is bound to be redundant. Might as well romance the same characters as before with a Shepard of a different alignment ... or a Shepard who sleeps around ... or a Shepard who, yes, isn't turned on by anyone.

Replaying ME for the romances seems a bit silly. They are supposed to add flavor. ME is still not a dating sim.

Modifié par klarabella, 06 juin 2012 - 12:07 .

[rubynorman]

Because most of ME player are male, only 30% player play as FemShep in ME3 and I'm not sure how many of them are female. According to what I've learned, most companies focus on potential customes. It's about money and resources. ME3 was rush after all, we got a ending full of plot holes and they cut a lot of things in the game. I don't think Bioware forces you to play as a lesbian or something, they give you choices but lesser than MShep's choices because of popularity, resources, money, time... But you have choices, if you don't like it don't play it anymore.
I agree that protest for more contents, choices is good but bashing other characters won't do anything good.
And for the record, I know a lot of straight woman in real life romance Liara in the game . It's about the person the character, the gender really means little at least in the game IMO.
Sorry for my crappy English.

[lillitheris]

Fox In The Box wrote.

That Bioware didn't pay as much attention to the female fanbase as the male one is justified. That they want their female players to roleplay gay women isn't.

It is until they come up with an explanation… (not that “they don’t care about actual women playing the game” is any better).

[Fox In The Box]

OneWomanArmy wrote...

I want to be clear here, this isn't just about Liara, its about the few male options awailable and no Kaidan didnt get much attention, he hardly has anything to say and is away for most of the first half of the game. He has the same amount as Ashley, not more, he moves around a bit more but thats it. Garrus yes gets more attention but you are still missing my point. We have Garrus and Kaidan if they arent dead and then we have Allers (She still counts), Liara and Traynor, 3 women opose to 2 men.... Thats not fair. And look at the Traynor shower scene, that was solely for the benefit of male players.

I see. Since we apparently count Kelly and Allers as actual full-fledged romance options, if Bioware gave you a few fade-to-black scenes with discount male NPCs that you can't go out of your way to kill before you start the game, you would be satisfied?

[CroGamer002]

Artistic integrity, that's why.

[Ashii6]

Mesina2 wrote...

Artistic integrity, that's why.

True that.

[EricHVela]

Chris is not in control of that. Ask someone else.