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[DrXeno]

She died when we went through the Omega 4 Relay by a laser. This makes no sense, I want everyone to survive so I can get the achievement, can anyone help me with this? I have all ship upgrades, and everyone is loyal!

Edit: Tali also died. Wtf?

Modifié par DrXeno, 06 juin 2012 - 09:02 .

[PsiFive]

I'd go to your terminal and double check the ship upgrades to make sure you have armour and shields and cannon all upgraded. You need the armour upgrade from Jacob to ensure Jack's survival on the way to the Collector base - if you remember getting it and your terminal in CIC says it's there I guess it's a bug. If that doesn't sound familiar then I'm afraid you just missed that upgrade. Either way I'd go back to a save from before the Omega 4 relay and try again, and if you didn't speak to Jacob for that upgrade that'd be the time to get it.

As for Tali, why she died depends on exactly where she died, which you haven't said. She's one of a small number of characters whose loyalty can be lost depending on how you resolve an argument with another character, Legion in her case. Side with legion and you lose Tali's loyalty, which means she dies on the Suicide Mission if you send her into the vent or take her with you to fight the final boss. Even if you were able to resolve that argument without losing her loyalty or were able to regain it later then Tali will still die on the Suicide Mission if she's made the leader of either of the two fire teams or if she's in the Hold The Line fire team and the team's combined defensive score isn't high enough. This can easily happen if you take defensively powerful characters like Grunt, Zaeed or Garrus with you to kill the final boss instead of leaving them in the Hold The Line team.

[DrXeno]

PsiFive wrote...

I'd go to your terminal and double check the ship upgrades to make sure you have armour and shields and cannon all upgraded. You need the armour upgrade from Jacob to ensure Jack's survival on the way to the Collector base - if you remember getting it and your terminal in CIC says it's there I guess it's a bug. If that doesn't sound familiar then I'm afraid you just missed that upgrade. Either way I'd go back to a save from before the Omega 4 relay and try again, and if you didn't speak to Jacob for that upgrade that'd be the time to get it.

As for Tali, why she died depends on exactly where she died, which you haven't said. She's one of a small number of characters whose loyalty can be lost depending on how you resolve an argument with another character, Legion in her case. Side with legion and you lose Tali's loyalty, which means she dies on the Suicide Mission if you send her into the vent or take her with you to fight the final boss. Even if you were able to resolve that argument without losing her loyalty or were able to regain it later then Tali will still die on the Suicide Mission if she's made the leader of either of the two fire teams or if she's in the Hold The Line fire team and the team's combined defensive score isn't high enough. This can easily happen if you take defensively powerful characters like Grunt, Zaeed or Garrus with you to kill the final boss instead of leaving them in the Hold The Line team.

Like I said, I already have all ship upgrades, I have all loyalty with everyone, and I wasn't up to choosing who for which teams.

[capn233]

Crew deaths during the cinematic portion right after taking Omega-4 are due to not getting all the ship upgrades. So if you really have them all then there isn't anything any of us can tell you.

Specifically it sounds like you are missing the ship's armor. How much did you talk to Jacob?

This is a thread that has basically everything you need to know about the SM:
http://social.biowar...index/5855452/1

[DrXeno]

I have checked all upgrades prior to the suicide mission (I was following a guide because I didn't want anyone dying) and they were done. Checking every crewmember for the upgrades and they didn't have any ship upgrades.

[PsiFive]

DrXeno wrote...

Like I said, I already have all ship upgrades, I have all loyalty with everyone, and I wasn't up to choosing who for which teams.

So Tali also died on the Normandy before you even reached the Collector base, have I got that right? As I understand the only way Tali can die on the Normandy is for the shields upgrade not to have been done plus either Kasumi and Legion not present or they're loyal and Tali isn't. But as with Jack and the relevant ship upgrade to keep her alive you say you've done them all according to a guide. Weird - I can only think that somehow a couple or three flags have ended up being set incorrectly in your game to indicate that the Normandy doesn't have the shields and armour upgrades and maybe that Tali isn't loyal even though as far as you're concerned you've played it and they should be. If so then what I said before still holds true: I'd go back to a pre-Omega 4 Relay save and start again by talking to Jacob and Tali and asking them for their upgrade ideas, or even better go back to before the Tali/Legion fight so you can redo that to ensure that both are loyal (I'm not saying you didn't do this the first time, but right or wrong it looks a lot like the game doesn't think you did). The only other thing I can think of is the guide you're using has mistakes and gave you a bad steer on a few details.

[capn233]

You can quickly check their loyalty in the Squad menu of your Personal Terminal. Loyal squad members will have the green halo over them, and when you click info it should indicate that they are loyal.

In the upgrade terminal in the tech lab it does show that Silaris Armor, Cyclonic Barrier, and Thanix Cannon have been researched? If those are indicated it seems to me like it would have the proper flags. I don't really know, if they are all indicated as researched it must be a rare bug.

[DJRackham]

You may want to make sure everyone is loyal. I've had Tali die during the Suicide Mission when I failed Zaeed's loyalty mission. Apparently one NPC not being loyal can cause another (loyal) NPC to die.
Go figure.

[PsiFive]

DJRackham wrote...

You may want to make sure everyone is loyal. I've had Tali die during the Suicide Mission when I failed Zaeed's loyalty mission. Apparently one NPC not being loyal can cause another (loyal) NPC to die.
Go figure.

That's because Zaeed's defensive score for the Hold The Line team is lower if he's not loyal, which in turn can bring the team's combined score down to the point where someone dies. If so then there's a good chance it'll be Tali simply because the only character higher on the die-if-defensive-score-too-low list is Mordin, and if he is sent on escort duty for the Normandy crew then Tali is always next (in turn if she's already dead then Kasumi is next and then Jack if Kasumi's not there). However, the OP says they hadn't got to that point yet which means Tali must have died on the ship. Far as I know the only thing that causes that is not having the shield upgrade, but the OP says they have all upgrades so it's a bit of a mystery.