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[Binary_Helix 1]

Bioware is finally getting it.

[NucularPikinic]

I very much enjoy playing as my Human Soldier. A lot more since the DLC dropped, in fact.

[DarkerCompanion]

The Krysae is fairly solid on Human Soldiers, but its only average (by Krysae standards, which is amazing) on the other Soldiers. It really shines on Infiltrators.

Aside from the human Soldier, the Krysae is no better on the other soldiers than any other non-Infiltrator class.

[Kalas Magnus]

Anything the soldier does the infiltrator does better. TC is a better version of AR.

[nicethugbert]

/signed

It takes 2 to 3 shots to kill an assualt trooper with the Krysae, unless you are an Infiltrator, then you can one shot it in the ankles. But, people don't want to admit that. The problem with Krysae is not Krysae, it's Tactical Cloak, the most unfair power in this game.

Modifié par nicethugbert, 06 juin 2012 - 10:04 .

[nicethugbert]

Kalas321 wrote...

Anything the soldier does the infiltrator does better. TC is a better version of AR.

THIS!

[Sinaqui]

I'm putting both Claymore and Krysae on my Krogan Vanguard. And keeping Barrier up at all times.

60 second cooldown on Biotic Charge should be manageable.

[NucularPikinic]

Kalas321 wrote...

Anything the soldier does the infiltrator does better. TC is a better version of AR.

Mostly true. However, AR gives a shield boost or damage resistance depending on the specs. Also, the instant reload allows human soldiers to keep laying down the firepower and can really help in a pinch. 

This is from my own personal experience. Yesterday and today specifically.

[nicethugbert]

NucularPikinic wrote...

Kalas321 wrote...

Anything the soldier does the infiltrator does better. TC is a better version of AR.

Mostly true. However, AR gives a shield boost or damage resistance depending on the specs. Also, the instant reload allows human soldiers to keep laying down the firepower and can really help in a pinch. 

This is from my own personal experience. Yesterday and today specifically.

While infiltrator hides behind Tactical Cloak, Soldier is taking all the aggro.  The shield boost, DR, damage boost, and reload boost don't compensate for that.

[NucularPikinic]

nicethugbert wrote...

NucularPikinic wrote...

Kalas321 wrote...

Anything the soldier does the infiltrator does better. TC is a better version of AR.

Mostly true. However, AR gives a shield boost or damage resistance depending on the specs. Also, the instant reload allows human soldiers to keep laying down the firepower and can really help in a pinch. 

This is from my own personal experience. Yesterday and today specifically.

While infiltrator hides behind Tactical Cloak, Soldier is taking all the aggro.  The shield boost, DR, damage boost, and reload boost don't compensate for that.

In the thick of the fight, neither AR nor TC will guarantee-save you. I've noticed that enemies will still somehow know where you are when you TC in front of them while they're shooting at you - they don't just stop. You're still going to go down unless you get lucky or pull off some stunt.

I'm not saying that AR is better than TC, though. It isn't.

[Binary_Helix 1]

Kalas321 wrote...

Anything the soldier does the infiltrator does better. TC is a better version of AR.

Sadly yes due to soldier getting nerfed so hard in ME3. In ME2 soldier was definitely better. AR was the highest DPS power in the game. I even remember people debating who was the better sniper soldier or infiltrator.

[Kalas Magnus]

NucularPikinic wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

NucularPikinic wrote...

Kalas321 wrote...

Anything the soldier does the infiltrator does better. TC is a better version of AR.

Mostly true. However, AR gives a shield boost or damage resistance depending on the specs. Also, the instant reload allows human soldiers to keep laying down the firepower and can really help in a pinch. 

This is from my own personal experience. Yesterday and today specifically.

While infiltrator hides behind Tactical Cloak, Soldier is taking all the aggro.  The shield boost, DR, damage boost, and reload boost don't compensate for that.

In the thick of the fight, neither AR nor TC will guarantee-save you. I've noticed that enemies will still somehow know where you are when you TC in front of them while they're shooting at you - they don't just stop. You're still going to go down unless you get lucky or pull off some stunt.

I'm not saying that AR is better than TC, though. It isn't.

Not true. The tactical cloak allows for a power to be used. This means the salarian will save himself with energy drain or the geth will use proxy.

[NucularPikinic]

Kalas321 wrote...

NucularPikinic wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

NucularPikinic wrote...

Kalas321 wrote...

Anything the soldier does the infiltrator does better. TC is a better version of AR.

Mostly true. However, AR gives a shield boost or damage resistance depending on the specs. Also, the instant reload allows human soldiers to keep laying down the firepower and can really help in a pinch. 

This is from my own personal experience. Yesterday and today specifically.

While infiltrator hides behind Tactical Cloak, Soldier is taking all the aggro.  The shield boost, DR, damage boost, and reload boost don't compensate for that.

In the thick of the fight, neither AR nor TC will guarantee-save you. I've noticed that enemies will still somehow know where you are when you TC in front of them while they're shooting at you - they don't just stop. You're still going to go down unless you get lucky or pull off some stunt.

I'm not saying that AR is better than TC, though. It isn't.

Not true. The tactical cloak allows for a power to be used. This means the salarian will save himself with energy drain or the geth will use proxy.

The Bonus Power is a stunt. Also, salarians aren't the only infiltrators.

The scenario I'm considering involves being directly shot at at the time that AR or TC is activated. Personally, I use a stagger weapon (preferably with AoE) so I would use AR and fire my weapon therefore staggering and giving myself a window of escape. TC is obviously better since you don't have to break cloak. But again, I stress that I'm NOT saying that TC is somehow inferior to AR.

My opposition is with the statement that TC does everything better than AR. TC doesn't restore shields or reload guns instantly. TC doesn't give a continuous boost either, it's a burst or 1.5 seconds or whatever the exact time frame is. TC is better, I get it. The benefits are stronger than with AR. I use both the Infiltrator and Soldier classes extensively so I have no real stake in this.

[Binary_Helix 1]

I'll even add Reager into the mix as another weapon soldiers benefit from. Human, Krogan, Batarian, and Vorcha. Even the new quarian engineer is basically a quarian soldier. This past DLC was basically to redeem soldiers. A step in the right direction.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 06 juin 2012 - 10:36 .

[Daforth]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Bioware is finally getting it.

No. I never use Claymore on soldiers (I don't like that weapon) and fared well, even on Gold. BW, Valiant, Revenant, Indra, Wraith, GPS, Carnifex/Paladin, Hurricane all are good weapons for soldiers (ok, not all of these on all soldier races, some are good only in specific race's hands, like Hurricane with Soldier).

Actually I use Harrier on AJA, QME and Drell Adept. A soldier as a heavy weapon reliant class I prefer higher ammo capacity/reserve AR, like Revenant.

Human Soldier: Indra or BW or Valiant or Paladin or GPS (depends on my mood and available equipments)
Krogan Soldier: Revenant or GPS (depends on my mood and available equipments)
Turian Soldier: Revenant or Hurricane or Indra or BW or Valiant (depends on my mood and available equipments)
Batarian Soldier: GPS
Vorcha Soldier: GPS

I play these on Gold regularly and with great efficiency (of course, with proper equipement setup).
No need for Krysae at all.

(Disclamer: I don't say Claymore sucks for soldiers, not at all, it is a very good weapon for soldiers, it is just a personal thing, somehow I don't like it, never did.)

[Kalas Magnus]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

I'll even add Reager into the mix as another weapon soldiers benefit from. Human, Krogan, Batarian, and Vorcha. Even the new quarian engineer is basically a quarian soldier. This past DLC was basically to redeem soldiers. A step in the right direction.

Aside from the vorcha the other soldiers will get massacred being that close to the enemy.  The turian,krogan, batarian cant dodge so they will get insta killed. The real problem with soldiers is that Assault rifles are underpowered. The harrier and extra grenade gear could bring the human soldier a tier higher tough. If only it had more ammo.

[Variasaber]

I thought the Harrier was supposed to make Turians more viable. Granted, one of the Turians is a Soldier...

[ABjerre]

Sinaqui wrote...

I'm putting both Claymore and Krysae on my Krogan Vanguard. And keeping Barrier up at all times.

60 second cooldown on Biotic Charge should be manageable.

+1

[Binary_Helix 1]

Kalas321 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

I'll even add Reager into the mix as another weapon soldiers benefit from. Human, Krogan, Batarian, and Vorcha. Even the new quarian engineer is basically a quarian soldier. This past DLC was basically to redeem soldiers. A step in the right direction.

Aside from the vorcha the other soldiers will get massacred being that close to the enemy.  The turian,krogan, batarian cant dodge so they will get insta killed. The real problem with soldiers is that Assault rifles are underpowered. The harrier and extra grenade gear could bring the human soldier a tier higher tough. If only it had more ammo.

Batarian also benefits from Reager. Ballastic blades, melee, and reager is a pretty good combo, a true CQC specialist.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 06 juin 2012 - 08:57 .

[neilthecellist]

I was just in a round with three infiltrators using the Krysae. The three alone floored every single around. Me being the single Asari Adept I stepped in for a quick revive whenever they got incapacitated (Infiltrators have very low health).

A single Atlas went down in 3.6 seconds. This was on Gold. No one was using Ammo powers or any weapon amps.