No, Gay BroShep had no options until ME3.Tali-vas-normandy wrote...
wait did Broshep who was male oriantated sexually only had the Liara option until ME3?
onchristieroad wrote...
Didn't mind Kaiden being bisexual at all. I'm bisexual, but I don't go around telling everyone, and I'm marrying a woman. Didn't remember him saying in ME1 "FYI Shepard, I'm straight.". Just because he doesn't jump in Space-Pimp MSheps pants in ME1, doesn't mean he isn't gay; he might just have taken years to become aware of the fact/do something about it. Anyhoo, all was good for me.
Modifié par Hvlukas, 06 juin 2012 - 01:10 .
Hvlukas wrote...
One thing I find enormously odd, is the apparent implied assumption, that no one at Bioware, writers, animators, testers, spokes persons ect. could possibly be gay or bisexual. That everyone at Bioware must be straight, and none of them at the very least could ever have sisters, brother, uncles and what have you, who are gay; and that nobody working at Bioware have ever thought to himself: “Gee, I wish I could share this cool thing I do with my gay baby brother, so he could experience how awesome this is”. Or that no one at Bioware ever asked somebody bisexual “Is this plausible, you think?”.
Who decided Bioware was straight making straight games? I thought Bioware was diverse, aiming at getting as many different people as possible into the thing they love the most: games.
Modifié par Getorex, 06 juin 2012 - 01:15 .
RAF1940 wrote...
I'm also not a fan of the massive number of bi characters.
It's definitely disproportionate to how many actual bi members a crew of that size would likely have.
Getorex wrote...
Probably are a few gays there. If there's 20 people in the company and they are a random sample of people, then you can expect 2 to be gay.
That has nothing to do with making games. You could be a 100% gay company but if you were into general sales you would be avoiding putting gay in your games...because until fairly recently it was "just not done". Hell, ME1 caused a froufrou briefly because of implied HETERO sex! The hammer would have come down MUCH harder if it had been clearly gay (a female shep and an asari is titillating and not quite gay - guys dig hot girl-on-girl action even if they are conservative republicans - ie, gay).
Modifié par Rhalle, 06 juin 2012 - 01:39 .
Rhalle wrote...
There's a lot of things Bioware could use game's budget of money and time for. So I'm not quite sure why making seemingly everyone in the galaxy into a potential homosexual-- a group which surely represents a very tiny minority of its customer base-- is apparently such a priority. Surely people who, say, would like to see a return of true RPG elements is vastly larger bunch. And it might even include some homosexuals.
Also, flashes of female (and alien) buttcheeks and sideboob is verboten now; Bioware is too cowardly to include that anymore, it seems; but multiple characters being potential gay sex partners is A-OK.
Good times.
Modifié par Zkyire, 06 juin 2012 - 01:37 .
You do know the player triggers that scene, right? He only admits his feelings for male Shepard if you buy him a bottle of whisky while he's in the hospital. If you don't give him the gift, he'll just tell you he values your friendship instead.Zkyire wrote...
I didn't care that they made Kaidan bi.
I cared that he was so forward with it, essentially forcing a confrontation.
He basically says that you're the only one he's interested in.
And then you're all "Nah, sorry brah".
Which made me feel like a dick for turning him down.
SavageNoble wrote...
You do know the player triggers that scene, right? He only admits his feelings for male Shepard if you buy him a bottle of whisky while he's in the hospital. If you don't give him the gift, he'll just tell you he values your friendship instead.Zkyire wrote...
I didn't care that they made Kaidan bi.
I cared that he was so forward with it, essentially forcing a confrontation.
He basically says that you're the only one he's interested in.
And then you're all "Nah, sorry brah".
Which made me feel like a dick for turning him down.
Modifié par Rhalle, 06 juin 2012 - 01:46 .
Icinix wrote...
MacCready wrote...
Icinix wrote...
MacCready wrote...
Binary_Helix 1 wrote...
I felt like it was really out of place. Kaidan was the most mature character in the trilogy and he was firmly established as straight in ME1. Despite whatever he was originally designed for that's not what made the final cut. I felt like the sudden change in ME3 really cheapened him and detracted from his established character.
I like how you're essentially implying that homosexuality is immature and cheap.
The change in Kaiden is just as cheap as making Ashley sexier.
My issue, is, and always will be - keeping characters the same.
You can introduce as many new straight, homosexual, monogendered, tall, short, fat, thin, angry, friendly characters as you want.
Just don't change existing characters.
But that's the thing, you can still keep your existing characters the same if you wish (although you'd have to mod Ashley if you want her looking the way she was). If you want Kaiden to remain a straight character in your Shepard universe, then you simply do so by never approaching him romantically.
It's like someone arguing that they don't like the fact that their Shepard can be a renegade in their playthrough when they prefer him/her to be more altruistic. Just because the options are there doesn't mean you have to choose them.
I said it earlier but one of the things I love is the immutable nature of a world and its characters, where only the avatar and the avatars choices in the world alter it.
Seeing how the worlds differ with the same NPCs is fascinating. Its something that draws me into the world.
Having the NPCs themselves change depending on the players presence takes that away. If Alistair could be the king or not based on player conversation - would it take something away from the character? If Wrex was affected by the genophage or not based on player conversation - would it take away the feeling of having influence in the world?
I think the characters, like some aspects of the world, need to be immutable. If a character can change so readily based on the players dialogue, I think it affects the characters integrity.
Wrex, Alistair, Kaiden, Ashley - they're not Wrex, Alistair, Kaiden, Ashley.
There thousands of variations on those characters. I don't like that. I think that is one of the things lacking from the DA2 characters. Because they needed to account for those variations, they all felt so flat and somewhat empty. I can only speak from my personal experience here, but the strongest characters who I felt were the best were ones that were openly the same in everyones game.
Bethany, Carver, Isablla and Aveline. They were characters who in their own special way were immutable.
Chakwas buys the bottle of booze you share with her. Remember, she said in ME2 she was buying next time?Zkyire wrote...
SavageNoble wrote...
You do know the player triggers that scene, right? He only admits his feelings for male Shepard if you buy him a bottle of whisky while he's in the hospital. If you don't give him the gift, he'll just tell you he values your friendship instead.Zkyire wrote...
I didn't care that they made Kaidan bi.
I cared that he was so forward with it, essentially forcing a confrontation.
He basically says that you're the only one he's interested in.
And then you're all "Nah, sorry brah".
Which made me feel like a dick for turning him down.
I never gave him a gift. I got some bottle of booze but I'm pretty sure I shared it with Chakwas.
Must've been a bug on my playthrough.
SavageNoble wrote...
You do know the player triggers that scene, right? He only admits his feelings for male Shepard if you buy him a bottle of whisky while he's in the hospital. If you don't give him the gift, he'll just tell you he values your friendship instead.Zkyire wrote...
I didn't care that they made Kaidan bi.
I cared that he was so forward with it, essentially forcing a confrontation.
He basically says that you're the only one he's interested in.
And then you're all "Nah, sorry brah".
Which made me feel like a dick for turning him down.
SavageNoble wrote...
Chakwas buys the bottle of booze you share with her. Remember, she said in ME2 she was buying next time?Zkyire wrote...
SavageNoble wrote...
You do know the player triggers that scene, right? He only admits his feelings for male Shepard if you buy him a bottle of whisky while he's in the hospital. If you don't give him the gift, he'll just tell you he values your friendship instead.Zkyire wrote...
I didn't care that they made Kaidan bi.
I cared that he was so forward with it, essentially forcing a confrontation.
He basically says that you're the only one he's interested in.
And then you're all "Nah, sorry brah".
Which made me feel like a dick for turning him down.
I never gave him a gift. I got some bottle of booze but I'm pretty sure I shared it with Chakwas.
Must've been a bug on my playthrough.
The booze you buy in ME3 is for Kaidan.
SavageNoble wrote...
Chakwas buys the bottle of booze you share with her. Remember, she said in ME2 she was buying next time?Zkyire wrote...
SavageNoble wrote...
You do know the player triggers that scene, right? He only admits his feelings for male Shepard if you buy him a bottle of whisky while he's in the hospital. If you don't give him the gift, he'll just tell you he values your friendship instead.Zkyire wrote...
I didn't care that they made Kaidan bi.
I cared that he was so forward with it, essentially forcing a confrontation.
He basically says that you're the only one he's interested in.
And then you're all "Nah, sorry brah".
Which made me feel like a dick for turning him down.
I never gave him a gift. I got some bottle of booze but I'm pretty sure I shared it with Chakwas.
Must've been a bug on my playthrough.
The booze you buy in ME3 is for Kaidan.
Getorex wrote...
Ah now that's just great. I cannot buy a friend a gift EVEN IF HE IS IN THE HOSPITAL without making him hit on me. I suppose if you give him the gift of the Swim Suit Edition that would set him right though... OK, so we all have to simply be circumspect about what gift we give our hospitalized guy FRIENDS. No booze, just girlie mags. No way to misinterpret THAT.
Zkyire wrote...
Ah, I've only played the SP campaign once, memory must be a bit foggy.
But even still, it's a bit ridiculous. Buy a friend who is in the hospital a gift.. he assumes you're sexually interested. Could have been handled better.
SavageNoble wrote...
Getorex wrote...
Ah now that's just great. I cannot buy a friend a gift EVEN IF HE IS IN THE HOSPITAL without making him hit on me. I suppose if you give him the gift of the Swim Suit Edition that would set him right though... OK, so we all have to simply be circumspect about what gift we give our hospitalized guy FRIENDS. No booze, just girlie mags. No way to misinterpret THAT.Zkyire wrote...
Ah, I've only played the SP campaign once, memory must be a bit foggy.
But even still, it's a bit ridiculous. Buy a friend who is in the hospital a gift.. he assumes you're sexually interested. Could have been handled better.
As far as I'm aware, the only thing the gift does is trigger the romance path. Seems to have just been stuck in there for that reason.
SavageNoble wrote...
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