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[LinksOcarina]

Its like Star Wars where the fanbase cannibalizes itself over a fervor of unnecessary hate on each other.

So the fans did it to themselves for the most part, just as much as as the creators did, if you believe such things.

[Kunari801]

We'll see more ME games as long as EA thinks there is money to be made. I'm not sure anymore about a story based Action/RPGs like ME1,2, or 3. The story and RPG parts take time and we can see with the accelerated development cycle on ME3 EA may want quicker development time.

The cynic in me says we've seen the last of the "classic" Mass Effect games.

Yet I remain hopeful that I'm wrong and we'll get new games with a new Hero & crew set X-years after ME3. A galaxy rebuilding from the Reaper War where pirates, tyrants, resurgent Cerberus, etc rule sectors of space.    The "SSV Shepard" re-exploring the universe. 

Modifié par Kunari801, 06 juin 2012 - 09:16 .

[Ghostknob]

I always felt this series was more or less for the Star Wars fans who became adults. The ones who sort of lost the wonder in regards to genre. I know the ONLY reason I bought a 360 was because a KOTOR 3 was reportedly being developed for it early on. I was bummed when it never came but a buddy recomended ME1 and I found what I had been looking for. Everythin I loved about KOTOR and star wars mixed with a little James Cameron's Aliens and the Terminator series with a dash of Starship Troopers with some good old fashioned....insert random war movie you loved to watch growing up....It was perfect and in my opinion the story and depth of the universe has surpased many of its inspirations. I would never argue that the ending was good but having seen so many sci fi movies and having read so many comic books growing up that I understand it and why it COULD have worked. Sadly it didn't and while I felt ripped off I chose to look at it as one kinda sh*tty part in an otherwise amazing story. I have no regrets I still feel this is the best sci fi story of the last twenty years.

[Acekilleriii]

I just noticed that All the mass effects are alike the SW Kotor in a way....

One of the Alike characters i found was Hackett

[CrutchCricket]

"You were the chosen one! You were supposed to uplift the series, not bury it! Bring art to video games, not leave them as mindless!"

[DOsquareZER]

*checks mass effect's pulse*
*looks up grimly*
it's dead, jim.

[JesseLee202]

macrocarl wrote...

Star Wars is pretty crappy and LOTR movies are boring. I'm glad ME is neither!

 y u lie?

[Lookout1390]

Pretty much.

EA, greed, and COD/multiplayer fanboys have brought down a great franchise.

Instead of bathing in the awesomeness that is ME3, some of us just have to remember what it was and what could have been.

Head-canon sucks, but it's the closest thing to closure I can give myself to ME3.

[Westy1422]

CrutchCricket wrote...

"You were the chosen one! You were supposed to uplift the series, not bury it! Bring art to video games, not leave them as mindless!"

I loved you!

[Lookout1390]

My parents showed me the awesomeness that is Star Wars, and we all got to experience LOTR when they came out as a family.

What do I have to show my kids when they get older?

Facebook? COD? Multiplayer games?

[Reign Tsumiraki]

And, you know, this could've been better then Star Trek.

This was a universe where humans are not initially in control of anything. We're new upstarts. 

Through the games, humanity proves itself, and you have to defend you and your actions.

This was about to be one of the greatest science fictions of all time.

And then it all ends with a third game that ignores everything, throws logic out the window, contradicts itself, and ruins the rest of the series.

Congratulations, Bioware. 

 

[VibrantYacht]

Why was it deemed necessary to attempt "artistry?" That's something I don't understand. It had so much potential, as this thread title says, but it seems it was all wasted by arrogance and greed.

In my opinion you don't try to make art, it's like trying to be funny. More often than not if you are trying to be funny, you won't be funny (the exceptions being comedians who are expected to be funny). Same goes for art. I don't believe we were expecting "art." I don't believe video games will ever become art, but for the sake of the argument I'm indulging their imagingings. I think they are trying to convince themselves that their job matters on a deeper level. The thing is, we didn't need it to be art to begin with. Games matter to the players regardless of their artistic status. They provide memories. I don't know why they thought things had to change like they did.

/rant

[Darth Spike]

i just found out that Bioware bought Command and Conqure into the company. So if we see that the new command and conqure games suck. It is most likly Bioware and EA's fault. I tell you this though, if they ruin C&C like they did ME3 then I'll be so friggin pissed off.

If they do that, then Bioware and EA just need to die before they destroy the whole gaming industry for us.

[Reign Tsumiraki]

Darth Spike wrote...

i just found out that Bioware bought Command and Conqure into the company. So if we see that the new command and conqure games suck. It is most likly Bioware and EA's fault. I tell you this though, if they ruin C&C like they did ME3 then I'll be so friggin pissed off.

If they do that, then Bioware and EA just need to die before they destroy the whole gaming industry for us.

C&C was dead as soon as Westwood was dissolved. 

C&C4 is horrible, and RA3 ignores a LOT of storyline, and contradicts itself constantly.

It's EA that's the problem. They ruined so many of my favorite companies by buying them.

[someguy1231]

Meh, Lucas pretty much destroyed Star Wars himself. Star Trek has a large-enough and varied-enough universe that each work can do pretty much whatever it wants and it won't ruin the franchise. ME, though, was all about the conflict with the Reapers. Once that's resolved, and resolved in a very poor manner, it's inevitable the franchise will take a huge blow to prestige.

And Was It Really Necessary To Capitalize Every Word In The Title, Like This?

[Imarikurumi]

Westwood, i loved their games...

Well dont give up hope guys, theres still "The Witcher" now thats 1 franchise that will definitely not betray the fans.

[Kileyan]

Kunari801 wrote...

We'll see more ME games as long as EA thinks there is money to be made.

The cynic in me says we've seen the last of the "classic" Mass Effect games.

We might, but the cynic in me as well, says they will be more like games called "The Vega Missions", nice compact linear 8 hour single player rail shooters with multiplayer added on and lots of multiplayer DLC.

Ideally Bioware would expand their horizons and make a Privateer style game with exploring far past known space. Maybe a rts game about expanding our human influence while dealing with a Krogan outbreak.

Maybe an entire game about space combat and commanding a small frigate and growing into commanding a carrier fleet.

Dunno, I'd love anything except another Stars of Duty game, that is 10 percent single player and 90 percent multiplayer.

[o Ventus]

someguy1231 wrote...

Meh, Lucas pretty much destroyed Star Wars himself. Star Trek has a large-enough and varied-enough universe that each work can do pretty much whatever it wants and it won't ruin the franchise. ME, though, was all about the conflict with the Reapers. Once that's resolved, and resolved in a very poor manner, it's inevitable the franchise will take a huge blow to prestige.

And Was It Really Necessary To Capitalize Every Word In The Title, Like This?

Saying ME is about the Reapers doesn't really fit, knowing how both Star Trek and Star Wars have enormous extended universes and 30+ years of continuity. ME certainly has enough stories to supplement other games, comics, novels, etc.

[t_i_e_]

ME3 is the biggest upset ever in my book of gaming history. Because it had so much potential to close a wonderful series. Instead it delivered the biggest WTF ending ever in a game, was falsely advertised, rushed out the door and had day 1 paid DLC that was story critical.
The false advertising still has me surprised that there has not been a lawsuit. I've also suggested to all my friends not to buy EA games. If they must then borrow, rent or buy used so that EA doesn't get the sale and profits for their shady organization.

Modifié par t_i_e_, 07 juin 2012 - 04:09 .

[Reign Tsumiraki]

o Ventus wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

Meh, Lucas pretty much destroyed Star Wars himself. Star Trek has a large-enough and varied-enough universe that each work can do pretty much whatever it wants and it won't ruin the franchise. ME, though, was all about the conflict with the Reapers. Once that's resolved, and resolved in a very poor manner, it's inevitable the franchise will take a huge blow to prestige.

And Was It Really Necessary To Capitalize Every Word In The Title, Like This?

Saying ME is about the Reapers doesn't really fit, knowing how both Star Trek and Star Wars have enormous extended universes and 30+ years of continuity. ME certainly has enough stories to supplement other games, comics, novels, etc.

That's the thing though. The ENTIRETY of Mass Effect was about the Reapers. They built an immortal, impossible to beat, impossible to top enemy. Then they killed them. 

From the first mission, Mass Effect was about the Reapers. Sure it has an expanded universe, but it's still all supposed to be about the Reapers. 

And now that they're dead, the universe has nowhere to go.

And if it does go somewhere, it's can't top the Reapers. It never can.

[CARL_DF90]

I agree, OP. Whether or not Bioware will wake up long enough from their stupor to realize that is another issue though.

[o Ventus]

Reign Tsumiraki wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

Meh, Lucas pretty much destroyed Star Wars himself. Star Trek has a large-enough and varied-enough universe that each work can do pretty much whatever it wants and it won't ruin the franchise. ME, though, was all about the conflict with the Reapers. Once that's resolved, and resolved in a very poor manner, it's inevitable the franchise will take a huge blow to prestige.

And Was It Really Necessary To Capitalize Every Word In The Title, Like This?

Saying ME is about the Reapers doesn't really fit, knowing how both Star Trek and Star Wars have enormous extended universes and 30+ years of continuity. ME certainly has enough stories to supplement other games, comics, novels, etc.

That's the thing though. The ENTIRETY of Mass Effect was about the Reapers. They built an immortal, impossible to beat, impossible to top enemy. Then they killed them. 

From the first mission, Mass Effect was about the Reapers. Sure it has an expanded universe, but it's still all supposed to be about the Reapers. 

And now that they're dead, the universe has nowhere to go.

And if it does go somewhere, it's can't top the Reapers. It never can.

The main game trilogy was supposed to be about the Reapers. Like how Halo 1-3 were about the Flood and Covenant, but Halo 4 is something different entirely. The entirety (or even the majority) of the franchise was not about the Reapers. None of the comics or novels focused on them. 

[webhead921]

I could see them making a spinoff trilogy that takes place years in the future. As is, I still think the trilogy went out on a relatively high note. Mass Effect 3 is a great game, and although the ending was not as good as it could have been, it is at least satisfactory, IMO. Most people I know IRL think the ending was disappointing, but it did not undermine the rest of the franchise.

[3DandBeyond]

VibrantYacht wrote...

Why was it deemed necessary to attempt "artistry?" That's something I don't understand. It had so much potential, as this thread title says, but it seems it was all wasted by arrogance and greed.

In my opinion you don't try to make art, it's like trying to be funny. More often than not if you are trying to be funny, you won't be funny (the exceptions being comedians who are expected to be funny). Same goes for art. I don't believe we were expecting "art." I don't believe video games will ever become art, but for the sake of the argument I'm indulging their imagingings. I think they are trying to convince themselves that their job matters on a deeper level. The thing is, we didn't need it to be art to begin with. Games matter to the players regardless of their artistic status. They provide memories. I don't know why they thought things had to change like they did.

/rant

Because somewhere along the way, someone started thinking dark and incomprehensible was artistic and artistic was mature.  Anything else, was deemed childish and too cliche.

However, they adopted the most childish take on a Deus ex, Space Jesus ending topped off by the really mature Garden of Eden scene and the kid being told a bedtime story finale leading up to "buy more DLC."  Yes, that is artistic.  Just like "Dogs Playing Poker" is.

Somewhere out there a hundred writers (of things like, Omega Man/I Am Legend, Princess Bride, Babylon 5, Deus ex, the Matrix) are screaming, "give me my ending back."

The problem with a writer saying they've created something artistic is, that usually means they haven't.  Viewers, players, consumers (I don't necessarily mean buyers, but those that take in art, consume it), they determine whether something is art and not the creator of it.  Anytime you have to explain something that you've done is artistic or intellectual, you have just proven it isn't.  That kind of thing speaks for itself.

[Reptilian Rob]

Believe it or not, this was probably planned to release a post apoc type FPS franchise with the Mass Effect name.

It's how EA works.