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[Sixteen Sixty-Six]

Gockey wrote...


Why would I ever take a soldier when I can take an QMI?  Tack on the Krysae and some equipment and I am an AoE machine.  No other class comes close.

My Human Vanguard says otherwise.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Gockey wrote...


Why would I ever take a soldier when I can take an QMI?  Tack on the Krysae and some equipment and I am an AoE machine.  No other class comes close.

You may be right, maybe not.

Either way, is that because TC is OP? Or is it because the Krysae is massivly OP?

[Yajuu Omoi]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Gockey wrote...


Why would I ever take a soldier when I can take an QMI?  Tack on the Krysae and some equipment and I am an AoE machine.  No other class comes close.

You may be right, maybe not.

Either way, is that because TC is OP? Or is it because the Krysae is massivly OP?

Well me, its due to the fact that The Krysae is MASSIVLY over powered! 

[The fool you should have eaten]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Honestly a nerf down to 15% IS unreasonable.

I do agree that TC needs a rebalance BADLY. However I think THIS would be the more reasonable change.

Change Rank 4 damage bonus from 90% to 65%
Change Rank 6 sniper rifle damage bonus from 40% flat damage TO 40% HEADSHOT damage bonus.

Those changes would bring the Tactical Cloak skill down a notch WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY nerfing the Krysae WITHOUT actually nerfing the Krysae!

Anyone agree?

:wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard:
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WARNING: Space Magic is involved in this post!!!

PAY ATTENTION! I have a decent suggestion with a GOOD compramise!

I need not read anymore.  A consesus had been reached.   This is the best course of action and has the most balance.  Unfortunately it is likely that you will be ignored.  Oh well, you tried to inspire reason in the masses.  You are amongst the few.

[MongoNYC]

KainD wrote...

I will take 15% damage over 90% only if tactical cloak makes me COMPLETELY invisible, untargetable and undetectable, no matter the enemy, distance to them or group size. If i play alone all enemies should freeze and wait until I decloak for further actions.

This is a good compromise.  But tick the damage up to 25% and you have a deal.

[Yajuu Omoi]

The fool you should have eaten wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Honestly a nerf down to 15% IS unreasonable.

I do agree that TC needs a rebalance BADLY. However I think THIS would be the more reasonable change.

Change Rank 4 damage bonus from 90% to 65%
Change Rank 6 sniper rifle damage bonus from 40% flat damage TO 40% HEADSHOT damage bonus.

Those changes would bring the Tactical Cloak skill down a notch WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY nerfing the Krysae WITHOUT actually nerfing the Krysae!

Anyone agree?

:wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard:
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WARNING: Space Magic is involved in this post!!!

PAY ATTENTION! I have a decent suggestion with a GOOD compramise!

I need not read anymore.  A consesus had been reached.   This is the best course of action and has the most balance.  Unfortunately it is likely that you will be ignored.  Oh well, you tried to inspire reason in the masses.  You are amongst the few.

No no. It IS a good idea...but it will be very unpopular.

Another unpopular idea would be to change the dmg bunos you get from TC from being a flat bonus at rank 4, into one like rank 6, only works for snipers.
THEN change the Krysae into an ASSAULT RIFLE, instead of a sniper.

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 07 juin 2012 - 02:05 .

[Yajuu Omoi]

MongoNYC wrote...

KainD wrote...

I will take 15% damage over 90% only if tactical cloak makes me COMPLETELY invisible, untargetable and undetectable, no matter the enemy, distance to them or group size. If i play alone all enemies should freeze and wait until I decloak for further actions.

This is a good compromise.  But tick the damage up to 25% and you have a deal.

hmmmmm....50%?

[darkblade]

LULZferBAKON wrote...

darkblade wrote...
Infiltrators are only Imbalanced when placed with other imbalances, the class itself isnt imbalanced at all. Its really good though.

90% damage buff every 3 seconds (without the sniper evo)
3 sec cooldown
weight irrelevance
aggro dump
objective runners.

If you really think that isn't unbalanced, I am going to ignore your posts forever.

What about this part, you know the part you wouldnt quote.

Cloak doesnt work well when used against enemies already shooting you. 
enemies will melee you if they get within melee range.
no regen while cloaked, a stray melee or bullet or grenade can ruin your day.
limited time damage buff, its literally only like 2 seconds.
shooting ruins cloak.
using a power in cloak ends cloak unless you have the 6th evo.
if using power doesnt end cloak you incurr said powers cooldown.
using the full length of cloak leaves a nasty cooldown (scaling cooldown). 

If cloak is nerfed people will just start kicking infiltrators because they can't do the million and 1 things that people expect them to do on gold.

+How am i suposse to put out meaniful DPS with a 2 second window and a nerfed dmg bonus?

+TC works how it does so that infiltrators can carry those heavy weapons while having mediorce cooldowns. 3 seconds is still higher than nearly every other attacking power in the game. It works like that so that we can carry a heavy weapon and something else to balance out the loadout while still maintaining the ability to use cloak for its team orientated functions.

Nerf tac cloak and you will see the end of infiltrator medic, and objective runners. who wants to do those things on a class who cant defend themselves while invisible and if they break invisibility the damage buff doesnt cut it for the penalty involved. infil is a class that works best with the heavies weapons on the game my cooldown shouldnt be severly hindered by the classes very nature.

so prepare to see infil who solely snipe, and never do anything else or just no more infiltrators.

Modifié par darkblade, 07 juin 2012 - 02:24 .

[Drummernate]

This thread has so many damn posts I cannot even look back to see where mine was now... -.-

EDIT:::: Nevermind I found it... <_<

Modifié par Drummernate, 07 juin 2012 - 02:29 .

[Yajuu Omoi]

darkblade wrote...

LULZferBAKON wrote...

darkblade wrote...
Infiltrators are only Imbalanced when placed with other imbalances, the class itself isnt imbalanced at all. Its really good though.

90% damage buff every 3 seconds (without the sniper evo)
3 sec cooldown
weight irrelevance
aggro dump
objective runners.

If you really think that isn't unbalanced, I am going to ignore your posts forever.

What about this part, you know the part you wouldnt quote.

Cloak doesnt work well when used against enemies already shooting you. 
enemies will melee you if they get within melee range.
no regen while cloaked, a stray melee or bullet or grenade can ruin your day.
limited time damage buff, its literally only like 2 seconds.
shooting ruins cloak.
using a power in cloak ends cloak unless you have the 6th evo.
if using power doesnt end cloak you incurr said powers cooldown.
using the full length of cloak leaves a nasty cooldown (scaling cooldown). 

If cloak is nerfed people will just start kicking infiltrators because they can't do the million and 1 things that people expect them to do on gold.

+How am i suposse to put out meaniful DPS with a 2 second window and a nerfed dmg bonus?

+TC works how it does so that infiltrators can carry those heavy weapons while having mediorce cooldowns. 3 seconds is still higher than nearly every other attacking power in the game. It works like that so that we can carry a heavy weapon and something else to balance out the loadout while still maintaining the ability to use cloak for its team orientated functions.

Nerf tac cloak and you will see the end of infiltrator medic, and objective runners. who wants to do those things on a class who cant defend themselves while invisible and if they break invisibility the damage buff doesnt cut it for the penalty involved. infil is a class that works best with the heavies weapons on the game my cooldown shouldnt be severly hindered by the classes very nature.

so prepare to see infil who solely snipe, and never do anything else or just no more infiltrators.

THIS

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 07 juin 2012 - 03:45 .

[Gamemako]

darkblade wrote...

What about this part, you know the part you wouldnt quote.

Cloak doesnt work well when used against enemies already shooting you. 
enemies will melee you if they get within melee range.
no regen while cloaked, a stray melee or bullet or grenade can ruin your day.
limited time damage buff, its literally only like 2 seconds.
shooting ruins cloak.
using a power in cloak ends cloak unless you have the 6th evo.
if using power doesnt end cloak you incurr said powers cooldown.
using the full length of cloak leaves a nasty cooldown (scaling cooldown). 

If cloak is nerfed people will just start kicking infiltrators because they can't do the million and 1 things that people expect them to do on gold.

+How am i suposse to put out meaniful DPS with a 2 second window and a nerfed dmg bonus?

+TC works how it does so that infiltrators can carry those heavy weapons while having mediorce cooldowns. 3 seconds is still higher than nearly every other attacking power in the game. It works like that so that we can carry a heavy weapon and something else to balance out the loadout while still maintaining the ability to use cloak for its team orientated functions.

Nerf tac cloak and you will see the end of infiltrator medic, and objective runners. who wants to do those things on a class who cant defend themselves while invisible and if they break invisibility the damage buff doesnt cut it for the penalty involved. infil is a class that works best with the heavies weapons on the game my cooldown shouldnt be severly hindered by the classes very nature.

so prepare to see infil who solely snipe, and never do anything else or just no more infiltrators.

Absurd. Cloak works just fine against enemies who are shooting at you as long as you step out of the way. And seriously, you're talking about melee range? Vanguards excepted, everything else is dead before they get that close! Your arguments are as paper-thin as they come, like some wealthy ass claiming he needs a tax break because his collection of sports cars has grown large enough to need a second full-time attendant.

Infiltrators might be balanced if Cloak was stuck at level 1. Even at level 1, it's more powerful than pretty much every other skill in the game, effectively making you nigh-invincible and increasing damage nearly as much as a freaking Stand-And-Be-Shot Soldier.  Unfortunately, it goes on from there to offer an additional 80% damage, 55% cooldown, and 30% duration.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Gamemako wrote...

I'm a troll

And ain't THAT the truth??

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Gamemako wrote...

I'm a troll

And i HATe truth??

[Yajuu Omoi]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Gamemako wrote...

I'm a troll

And i HATe truth??

You mean about how the ONLY problem with TC is that its useless as an anti aggro ability? Yes, i hate that.
But TC does NOT need to be nerf'd

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Gamemako wrote...

I'm a troll

And i HATe truth??

You mean about  the  problem with TC is that its  an anti aggro ability? Yes, i hate that.
But TC does need to be nerf'd

[Yajuu Omoi]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Gamemako wrote...

I'm a troll

And i HATe truth??

You mean about  the online stalker problem i'm having? Yes I reported you

[Gamemako]

N7 Rixus wrote...

I think everyone should stop complaining about TC is not overpowered its going to make gold harder especially with the added combat engineers and more geth primes and the enemy objectives and object recoverys  if the TC was to get nerfed, they may have to make the factions a bit easier to balance the nerf of the TC.

But Turrets do not detect cloaked infiltrators, and cloaked Infiltrators are generally your best weapon against them. That's the kicker, really: all of the difficulty increases affect everyone else far more than they affect infiltrators. Vanguards were always a little dubious in Gold, but the overload of stun-happy Geth Primes makes them increasingly hopeless. Meanwhile, infiltrators just cloak and run away, not to mention that their high damage output becomes even more valuable.

[ValorOfArms777]

You people are so flipping WEIRD .......so focused on the damn stupid Infiltrators WEAPON mastery god it's silly I want you all to think this way

#1 Control Power- a Infiltrator is a controller unit not a TANK it can't take blows very steadily it's a glass canon WITH a GUN not a power a GUN

#2 Stead Aim- you have to AIM a gun time the cloak and pound the last shots out before the short buff ends killing 1-2 units on your own terms while your comrades deal with stuff or you can try to kill small units as fast as you can

#3 Prey- mentioned above the right shot and target must be spotted if you choose that WRONG target you can lose ground control effectily losing control power over that zone

#4 Turret- some may wanna stand in a clever spot and be the personal ground hold in a single section for your buds to rest in it's your job to make their job easier not for you to be kill happy dorks and lone wolf

#5 Stalking- to be a stalker is harder a foe can see you at a certain times depending on difficulty and unit it's best to pick em off run about pick em off so on this is common way to play too

knowing the role of gathering objectives is too important holding a hack zone gathering such they are not OP in the sense that most ppl think that OOOOOO he can be invisible!!! he get SNEAK ATTACK power OMG .... most classes have massive continual rapid damages that you all underestimate all cause they USE A.. GUN and of all things you must AIM that GUN most time this is not outclassing ANYTHING it's NORMAL you ppl focus on the stupidest things leave the Inf ALONE it's a reasonable class for TEAM WORK EFFORTS stop whinging about Kill steals stop whimpering about the damn score STOP insulting everything you can about BUFFS and NERFS FOCUS on the more important stuff like the fact that some bugs arnt EVEN FIXED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SMG bug with Ultra Lightweight Materials
Krogan Battle Master (vanguard) broken RAGE buffs inactive
...these are the most annoying bugs currently how about we FIX THEM instead of whinign about nerfs on classes you think are just over done GOD I never seen so many complaints over this class and there all stupid next is VORCHA about their HP regen sheesh

[Yajuu Omoi]

Gamemako wrote...

N7 Rixus wrote...

I think everyone should stop complaining about TC is not overpowered its going to make gold harder especially with the added combat engineers and more geth primes and the enemy objectives and object recoverys  if the TC was to get nerfed, they may have to make the factions a bit easier to balance the nerf of the TC.

But Turrets do not detect cloaked infiltrators, and cloaked Infiltrators are generally your best weapon against them. That's the kicker, really: all of the difficulty increases affect everyone else far more than they affect infiltrators. Vanguards were always a little dubious in Gold, but the overload of stun-happy Geth Primes makes them increasingly hopeless. Meanwhile, infiltrators just cloak and run away, not to mention that their high damage output becomes even more valuable.

Yes, they DO. try cloaking and then walking into a room where you knwo a turret is. IT. SHOOTS. YOU.
EVERYTHING shoots you even when you cloak. TC doesn't make you disappear...just SLIGHTLY harder to see.

Take a Geth Hunter for example. even when its cloaked you can see it, and if you're shooting at it and it re cloaks...what do you do? do you stop shooting? NO its still there, so you KEEP SHOOTING IT.

Our TC does the same thing, just not as well

[ValorOfArms777]

I hope Vogons eradicate the earth one day

[Gamemako]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Yes, they DO. try cloaking and then walking into a room where you knwo a turret is. IT. SHOOTS. YOU.
EVERYTHING shoots you even when you cloak. TC doesn't make you disappear...just SLIGHTLY harder to see.

No, it doesn't. I just went through a half-dozen Gold runs this evening as an Infil, both Salarian and Geth, and not one bullet from a Turret touched me. Quite the contrary, my Gethfiltrator murdered about two dozen of them without incident.

Your ability to ignore reality is downright stunning.