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[DNC Protoman]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Honestly a nerf down to 15% IS unreasonable.

I do agree that TC needs a rebalance BADLY. However I think THIS would be the more reasonable change.

Change Rank 4 damage bonus from 90% to 65%
Change Rank 6 sniper rifle damage bonus from 40% flat damage TO 40% HEADSHOT damage bonus.

Those changes would bring the Tactical Cloak skill down a notch WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY nerfing the Krysae WITHOUT actually nerfing the Krysae?

Anyone agree?

Agree, I put 15% as an example but now that it's been mentioned many times, this seems reasonable. 

keeps the Infiltrator relevant, allows for better weapon creation and buffs to currents- solves many a problem.

As far as the rand 4 damage boost goes I might say 60%.  I say this because it allows soldiers to outdamage infilitrators (which they should as the utiliity of TC is amazing compared to AD)

[quorkszz]

jupitersj wrote...

DNC Protoman wrote...

FreeshootXiggy wrote...

Nerf Vanguards while you're at it. Because the moment Infil takes a hit, Vanguard becomes score king again, and then the ****ing resumes

you clearly miss the entire point.  Read more carefully please.

Also, Vanguards?  Really?  have fun on bronze.

Vanguards wreck Gold as well; maybe someone of your skill level should not be proposing balance changes it seems.

Finally some vangaurd love on gold.

[Lee80]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Honestly a nerf down to 15% IS unreasonable.

I do agree that TC needs a rebalance BADLY. However I think THIS would be the more reasonable change.

Change Rank 4 damage bonus from 90% to 65%
Change Rank 6 sniper rifle damage bonus from 40% flat damage TO 40% HEADSHOT damage bonus.

Those changes would bring the Tactical Cloak skill down a notch WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY nerfing the Krysae WITHOUT actually nerfing the Krysae!

Anyone agree?

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Question, would the head shot damage you propose still effect prime heads, and perhaps some part of the atlas (as it doesn't have a head)?  If so that sounds good to me.  If primes still don't have a head though ....  Then I think just halving the sniper damage to 20% would be better.  

Modifié par Lee80alabama, 06 juin 2012 - 06:27 .

[DNC Protoman]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

DNC Protoman wrote...

tMc Tallgeese wrote...

OP, I think you've been getting into my private Ryncol stock. Before claiming that this is the only reasonable alternative to the mob's request for weapon/power nerfs, try considering what the impact of "balancing" +/- will do to the game as a whole. Will it satisfy people? No, this community has repeatedly demonstrated that if BioWare does A, the community wants B and vice versa. Appeasing one group will outrage the other. There is unfortunately no happy medium to reach.

My solution makes it so all will be provided for.  Just not right away. 

- infiltrators will no longer dominiate all scoreboards.  They will still have a damage boost, it will be fair now.

-The soldier class will be more usefull, as it will have a bigger damage boost than infil, making it the "weaponmaster" class it was meant to be.

-Weapons will be buffed to be usefull for all classes, not just infils.

-Weapon creation will be eaiser and give us better new toys

all of this can and will occur when the entire weapon armory doesn't have to be balanced around ONE ABILITIY ON ONE class.

Soldiers are NOT meant to be weapon masters, Infils are sniper kings, soldiers are assault rifle, SMG, and nade kings. period.

Other classes aren't built to focus on weapons, infils, soldiers and some sentinels are.

you are a troll

I can see your mind is weak.  Let me help you understand my friend.

Soldiers ARE meant to be weapon masters, their entire class is built that way. 

Infiiltrators by their very definition are meant to be objective takers, medics and yes SNIPERS.

As it stands now, INFILTRATORS OUTDAMAGE ANYONE WITH ANYTHING and make it impossible to make new good weps and upgrade weak ones.

I'll say it agian for you.

You can't balance your weapons around a 90-130% damage bonus ability.

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[Immortal Strife]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Honestly a nerf down to 15% IS unreasonable.

I do agree that TC needs a rebalance BADLY. However I think THIS would be the more reasonable change.

Change Rank 4 damage bonus from 90% to 65%
Change Rank 6 sniper rifle damage bonus from 40% flat damage TO 40% HEADSHOT damage bonus.

Those changes would bring the Tactical Cloak skill down a notch WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY nerfing the Krysae WITHOUT actually nerfing the Krysae!

Anyone agree?

:wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard:
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WARNING: Space Magic is involved in this post!!!

PAY ATTENTION! I have a decent suggestion with a GOOD compramise!

Headshot damage makes no sense due to shieldgate and no boss headshots. Furthermore by doing so you are essentially saying that the infiltrator in not designed to snipe as headshot bonuses are not meant for snipers-they are overkill, redundant.

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 06 juin 2012 - 06:36 .

[toastar]

All these people who call for the cloak to cloak you better and want to pay for it with damage nerfs are the worst offenders to the infiltrator class out there.

Learn how to cap objectives, revive people and get around with the cloak you have folks, its the only true universal infiltrator skill there is: when to cloak, where to cloak, to know what you can get away with, and what you situations you should avoid.

If you cannot do that, don't play a freaking infiltrator, you're giving us a bad name.

Otherwise the infiltrator is pretty much a tech-heavy soldier who trades health for stealth and is good with slow semi autos, whereas the soldier can be absolutely brutal with full auto weapons.

Any invisibility buff would really screw over game balance, infiltrators would be unkillable, a slight damage nerf won't offset that, you'll just see more slarian Drainfiltrator builds with single shots, but those kill pretty much like any BW build, just differently.

Don't nerf the Infiltrator because the krysae and the amazing ghostbusters gun Reegar are ill conceived and way to light&common.

Modifié par toastar, 06 juin 2012 - 06:29 .

[FreeshootXiggy]

DNC Protoman wrote...

FreeshootXiggy wrote...

Nerf Vanguards while you're at it. Because the moment Infil takes a hit, Vanguard becomes score king again, and then the ****ing resumes

you clearly miss the entire point.  Read more carefully please.

Also, Vanguards?  Really?  have fun on bronze.

Missing the point? Really? I've played every difficulty consistently, I know what works well, and if Vanguard wasn't "good" like you seem to think it isn't, it would of gotten a buff. Sorry, but unless Adepts and Vanguards take a nerf bat too, don't sit here and preach to us about how broken TC is. By your logic, let's nerf ALL the classes so every class sucks.

[Immortal Strife]

TC cloak break damage bonus will never brop below that of the soldiers 70% due to the fact that they are designed to do burst damage-a single moment of spiked damage-while the Soldier is designed to do sustained damage; therefor the infiltrator by design has to do more immediate damage than the soldier. Anyone who asks for the infiltrator cloak damage bonus to be reduced to less than 71% is being idiotic.

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 06 juin 2012 - 06:30 .

[DNC Protoman]

toastar wrote...

All these people who call for the cloak to cloak you better and want to pay for it with damage nerfs are the worst offenders to the infiltrator class out there.

Learn how to cap objectives, revive people and get around with the cloak you have folks, its the only true universal infiltrator skill there is: when to cloak, where to cloak, to know what you can get away with, and what you situations you should avoid.

If you cannot do that, don't play a freaking infiltrator, you're giving us a bad name.

Otherwise the infiltrator is pretty much a tech-heavy soldier who trades health for stealth and is good with slow semi autos, whereas the soldier can be absolutely brutal with full auto weapons.

Any invisibility buff would really screw over game balance, infiltrators would be unkillable, a slight damage nerf won't offset that, you'll just see more slarian Drainfiltrator builds with single shots, but those kill pretty much like any BW build, just differently.

Don't nerf the Infiltrator because the krysae and the amazing ghostbusters gun Reegar are ill conceived and way to light&common.

no don't nerf it because of the two new guns..

Nerf it for the sake of all classes, guns and powers currenet and furture.

[Schneidend]

Make larger cooldowns from carrying Javelins and Claymores actually matter to Infiltrators.

[DNC Protoman]

FreeshootXiggy wrote...

DNC Protoman wrote...

FreeshootXiggy wrote...

Nerf Vanguards while you're at it. Because the moment Infil takes a hit, Vanguard becomes score king again, and then the ****ing resumes

you clearly miss the entire point.  Read more carefully please.

Also, Vanguards?  Really?  have fun on bronze.

Missing the point? Really? I've played every difficulty consistently, I know what works well, and if Vanguard wasn't "good" like you seem to think it isn't, it would of gotten a buff. Sorry, but unless Adepts and Vanguards take a nerf bat too, don't sit here and preach to us about how broken TC is. By your logic, let's nerf ALL the classes so every class sucks.

you really don't understand,

Good day.

[FreeshootXiggy]

DNC Protoman wrote...

FreeshootXiggy wrote...

DNC Protoman wrote...

FreeshootXiggy wrote...

Nerf Vanguards while you're at it. Because the moment Infil takes a hit, Vanguard becomes score king again, and then the ****ing resumes

you clearly miss the entire point.  Read more carefully please.

Also, Vanguards?  Really?  have fun on bronze.

Missing the point? Really? I've played every difficulty consistently, I know what works well, and if Vanguard wasn't "good" like you seem to think it isn't, it would of gotten a buff. Sorry, but unless Adepts and Vanguards take a nerf bat too, don't sit here and preach to us about how broken TC is. By your logic, let's nerf ALL the classes so every class sucks.

you really don't understand,

Good day.

Lol, trolls gotta troll. Don't be angry because your invalid ****ing has you singled out. Learn some skill, maybe then you'll be like 95% of the community that can easily outscore an infiltrator. Good day sir.

p.s: They buff/nerf guns based on overall use, learn some basic server management skills then come back to me,

Modifié par FreeshootXiggy, 06 juin 2012 - 06:34 .

[neteng101]

DNC Protoman wrote...

Soldiers ARE meant to be weapon masters, their entire class is built that way.

Tell that to the poor Cerb troopers.  Next to the Nemesis, they're nothing really and only annoying when they lob their grenades.  Its quite like the soldier class we get to play.

Cerb trooper = Soldier
Centurion = Sentinel
Engineer = Engineer
Nemesis = Infiltrator
Phantom = Vanguard/Adept

We've already nerfed our most elite characters ie. Biotics, so I guess Infiltrators are next on the list.  Soon no class we get to play will be better than the Cerb trooper.  Count me a sad panda when that day comes.

[DNC Protoman]

Immortal Strife wrote...

TC cloak break damage bonus will never brop below that of the soldiers 70% due to the fact that they are designed to do burst damage-a single moment of spiked damage-while the Soldier is designed to do sustained damage; therefor the infiltrator by design has to do more immediate damage than the soldier. Anyone who asks for the infiltrator cloak damage bonus to be reduced to less than 71% is being idiotic.

Your agrument is flawed by the fact the TC damage bonus lasts seconds after the cloak brakes.

[DNC Protoman]

FreeshootXiggy wrote...

DNC Protoman wrote...

FreeshootXiggy wrote...

DNC Protoman wrote...

FreeshootXiggy wrote...

Nerf Vanguards while you're at it. Because the moment Infil takes a hit, Vanguard becomes score king again, and then the ****ing resumes

you clearly miss the entire point.  Read more carefully please.

Also, Vanguards?  Really?  have fun on bronze.

Missing the point? Really? I've played every difficulty consistently, I know what works well, and if Vanguard wasn't "good" like you seem to think it isn't, it would of gotten a buff. Sorry, but unless Adepts and Vanguards take a nerf bat too, don't sit here and preach to us about how broken TC is. By your logic, let's nerf ALL the classes so every class sucks.

you really don't understand,

Good day.

Lol, trolls gotta troll. Don't be angry because your invalid ****ing has you singled out. Learn some skill, maybe then you'll be like 95% of the community that can easily outscore an infiltrator. Good day sir.

p.s: They buff/nerf guns based on overall use, learn some basic server management skills then come back to me,

Uh-huh... right....

[FreeshootXiggy]

I'm glad to see our linguistic skills have proved a point here. Someone's pissy they can't top scoreboards.

[Drummernate]

If they nerf Tactical Cloak, then Hunter Mode won't be far behind since it gives a 25% universal bonus.... making my Geth worthless in the process.

No thanks.

[DNC Protoman]

neteng101 wrote...

DNC Protoman wrote...

Soldiers ARE meant to be weapon masters, their entire class is built that way.

Tell that to the poor Cerb troopers.  Next to the Nemesis, they're nothing really and only annoying when they lob their grenades.  Its quite like the soldier class we get to play.

Cerb trooper = Soldier
Centurion = Sentinel
Engineer = Engineer
Nemesis = Infiltrator
Phantom = Vanguard/Adept

We've already nerfed our most elite characters ie. Biotics, so I guess Infiltrators are next on the list.  Soon no class we get to play will be better than the Cerb trooper.  Count me a sad panda when that day comes.

Nonsense post.  We nerfed biotics?  lol you must mean stasis.

Modifié par DNC Protoman, 06 juin 2012 - 06:37 .

[Immortal Strife]

DNC Protoman wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

TC cloak break damage bonus will never brop below that of the soldiers 70% due to the fact that they are designed to do burst damage-a single moment of spiked damage-while the Soldier is designed to do sustained damage; therefor the infiltrator by design has to do more immediate damage than the soldier. Anyone who asks for the infiltrator cloak damage bonus to be reduced to less than 71% is being idiotic.

Your agrument is flawed by the fact the TC damage bonus lasts seconds after the cloak brakes.

And AR duration last longer than TC's cloak damage. Your whole post is illogical. I get it though, you want weapons that don't require aim to be great, and become the most used weapons. Good job OP.

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 06 juin 2012 - 06:45 .

[DNC Protoman]

FreeshootXiggy wrote...

I'm glad to see our linguistic skills have proved a point here. Someone's pissy they can't top scoreboards.

nonsense post.

[ThirdChild ZKI]

I use a Quarian Engineer (female), and snipe with a Mantis, and I frequently outscore Infiltrators at their worst.

Why? Skill, tactics, and effective use of my character's abilities/powers.

That being said, Tac Cloak is the Infiltrator's specialty and SHOULD. be the basis of their strategy, much like biotic combos are for biotic classes. They excel at long range, but they aren't the only class that can snipe. As I said before, I put Infils to shame with an Engineer.

Infiltrators nor their weapons don't need to be made worse, players need to not only build their skills and tactics, but learn to work together, and step outside of their class boundaries once in a while. Works quite well for me. . .

[DNC Protoman]

Immortal Strife wrote...

DNC Protoman wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

TC cloak break damage bonus will never brop below that of the soldiers 70% due to the fact that they are designed to do burst damage-a single moment of spiked damage-while the Soldier is designed to do sustained damage; therefor the infiltrator by design has to do more immediate damage than the soldier. Anyone who asks for the infiltrator cloak damage bonus to be reduced to less than 71% is being idiotic.

Your agrument is flawed by the fact the TC damage bonus lasts seconds after the cloak brakes.

And AR duration last longer than TC's cloak damage. 

meant too

[FreeshootXiggy]

DNC Protoman wrote...

FreeshootXiggy wrote...

I'm glad to see our linguistic skills have proved a point here. Someone's pissy they can't top scoreboards.

nonsense post.

Your childish responses are nonsense posts. I know, you're angry, but grow up a little please

[sareth_65536]

Immortal Strife wrote...

TC cloak break damage bonus will never brop below that of the soldiers 70% due to the fact that they are designed to do burst damage-a single moment of spiked damage-while the Soldier is designed to do sustained damage; therefor the infiltrator by design has to do more immediate damage than the soldier. Anyone who asks for the infiltrator cloak damage bonus to be reduced to less than 71% is being idiotic.

spike damage? what are you talking about? Damage buff lasts 3 seconds, and TC's cooldown lasts 3 seconds too. So it's almost constant damage buff. Even HS has only 5-8 sec

[DNC Protoman]

ThirdChild ZKI wrote...

I use a Quarian Engineer (female), and snipe with a Mantis, and I frequently outscore Infiltrators at their worst.

Why? Skill, tactics, and effective use of my character's abilities/powers.

That being said, Tac Cloak is the Infiltrator's specialty and SHOULD. be the basis of their strategy, much like biotic combos are for biotic classes. They excel at long range, but they aren't the only class that can snipe. As I said before, I put Infils to shame with an Engineer.

Infiltrators nor their weapons don't need to be made worse, players need to not only build their skills and tactics, but learn to work together, and step outside of their class boundaries once in a while. Works quite well for me. . .

it still will be, it just won't hinder all other classes weapon wise.

I have debunked all agruements and dissmissed all childish troll posts agianst my ideas.