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[Brodoteau]

There are several threads on these forums that are looking for one companion or another to come back in DA3.  There are many other threads demanding that other NPCs be included as companions or LI (Cullen people I'm looking at you).  But, I think this is the wrong way of going about things.  Former companions should come back as characters you have to beat to advance in the game.

In two games, the companion characters have risen to become some of the most powerful people in the DA Universe.  Why should Alistair, the (potential) king of Fereldan, a level 30 (or whatever) fighter decide to start hanging around some level 1 noob that we will be starting as in the next DA3 game?  It's unrealistic and not worthy of the character.

Now on the other hand, these characters have become powerful enough that they would be great boss battles for the new DA protagonist. 

So, a simple question, which former companion would you like to see as a fight in DA3 and why: 
My choices: 

Sten -- it makes sense to the character.  He is a Quanari soldier who would follow orders.  Plus, I think kitted out right and with DA2 two-handed abilities he would be very difficult.

Morrigan -- the most likely to be a "boss battle" in my mind.  She is powerful and up to something mysterious.

Sebastian -- If you are playing someone that is pro-mage (or anti-Chantry) it would make sense that in the third game you might run into this archer.  Plus, I think Sebastian leading the people of Starkhaven would be an awesome battle. 

So what do we think?  

Modifié par Brodoteau, 06 juin 2012 - 06:58 .

[deuce985]

Anders-He deserves to die if he isn't already

Sebastion-I don't like people openly threatening me

Leliana-Her position seems only natural for confrontation

Sten-This is obvious...but I already killed a hundred Stens in DA2!

Morrigan-Well, I wouldn't agree with this one but it's hard to see what her motives are

Isabella-I don't like backstabbers...especially ones I shared a bed with

Shale-deserves to be put down for her animal cruelty on pigeons

Cullen-I know he wasn't a former companion, I just want to upset the fangirls/fanboys

[berelinde]

Sebastian: At the close of DA2, he had a lot of issues in/with Starkhaven... and he did threaten to raze Kirkwall. He has probably forgotten about his threats toward Kirkwall specifically, but I could see him leading a crusade to fight whoever the Chantry tells him to fight.

Leliana: If there is a chance to oppose the Chantry in "the Next Thing," at least one (or most) of my characters are going to take it. Which means that they will probably wind up fighting Leliana at some point. I sincerely hope that she stays dead this time.

Sten: If he has been promoted, he may be the next Arishok. Even the Warden knew that one day, they would wind up on opposite sides of the war.

[Dakota Strider]

Tops of my list are:
Zevron, Loghain and Anders. Only problem is, I have already killed them off in my versions.

Sten makes sense, since I it seems that a Qunari invasion is going to happen fairly soon.

Fenris chose to fight me, because I did not go along with his blanket mage hating. So, another likely one off the list.

Ohgren probably deserves a good butt-kickin', since he thinks he is so tough.

Don't want to fight any of the ladies....

Oh and that snotty little mage they forced me to have in my party in Witch Hunt. Would not mind thrashing him real good, just for having to listen to him for the better half of a DLC.

Got to agree with Deuce985 about Cullen. Anyone that evokes so much squeeing must be evil.

[Zanallen]

Morrigan teamed up with the Warden.

[Rawgrim]

Merill, Fenris, Zevran. Purely based on their annoying anime-like appearance in DA2. They deserve to be wiped out. Plain and simple.

[MichaelStuart]

I would fight all of them. I just like having the option to kill all NPC's, even if it makes the game unfinishable.

Modifié par MichaelStuart, 06 juin 2012 - 08:37 .

[thats1evildude]

Sten. Just Sten, really. I wasn't particularly keen on recruiting him in the first place, and even though he helped the Warden end the Blight, I feel like he got off too easily. If he showed up in DA2 and had fought against Hawke, I would have gladly killed him.

[cogsandcurls]

Woah, lots of metagaming "I want to kill them because there were annoying" things going on in this thread. Come on, guys.

To answer the question...I have two, but I don't actually neccessarily want to fight them. Rather, I think it would be nice for them to re-appear and have a possible confronation with the PC. It could just be a cameo or a confrontation of conflicting ideals or something, not neccessarily in-game battling or anything.

1) Sebastian. I've not actually had a playthrough where he flounces back to Starkhaven yet, but...there is so much potential there for him, and there's nothing to say that even my version of Sebastian (who got friend-locked in and fought for the mages) wouldn't end up drifting back to Starkhaven and having a big hand in any mage-related war that might come about. I'd like to see what place he takes in that conflict.

2) Anders/Vengeance. I guess I'm sort of more talking about Vengeance here, because I'm inclined to believe that's a nice middle path that caters to both those that killed Anders and those that let him live (so, living Anders gets totally consumed by the spirit, or dead Anders's corpse just gets up and keeps on going a la Kristoph). Again, mainly because I want to see what place he would end up taking in a mage rebellion after already trying to martyr himself.

Sten's an interesting one. I do feel like he needs to reappear considering what he says at the end of Origins, but the thing is unless he's had some major character development in the interim, that sten is only "Sten, the unique individual" to the Warden and maybe some of the Origins companions if they're with the PC. Meeting Sten as a PC who didn't have a prior history with him runs the risk of him just being *a* sten, rather than *the* Sten. If that makes sense. Does that make sense?

[The Elder King]

Sten as the Arishok, or Morrigan (possibly a double fight, one as a human and one as a dragon).

[Dakota Strider]

cogsandcurls wrote...

Woah, lots of metagaming "I want to kill them because there were annoying" things going on in this thread. Come on, guys.

You definitely do not understand the purpose of this thread.  It is no more metagaming to wish for a reason for someone to appear as a future battle, as it is to hope they appear as a Love Interest.   For most that have responded, we are looking for a valid roleplay reason to do so. 

[cogsandcurls]

Dakota Strider wrote...

cogsandcurls wrote...

Woah, lots of metagaming "I want to kill them because there were annoying" things going on in this thread. Come on, guys.

You definitely do not understand the purpose of this thread.  It is no more metagaming to wish for a reason for someone to appear as a future battle, as it is to hope they appear as a Love Interest.   For most that have responded, we are looking for a valid roleplay reason to do so. 

Eh, each to their own. Personally I prefer "because it would make an interesting plot" to "because blood for the blood god" as far as reasons go (same for LIs), but there you go.

[berelinde]

Um... not to be contentious, but my picks were based on anticipated plot developments, not affection for the NPC. I like 2 of the ones on my list.

[Dakota Strider]

@cogsandcurls Not all companions are suited to every player. Personally I would rather not have them in the party at all. And I do not go about killing companions I do not like, unless there is a valid RP reason to do so. But, the question the OP offered, was if there were a reason to battle them in the upcoming game, which ones would you prefer to see as an opponent?

[cogsandcurls]

berelinde wrote...

Um... not to be contentious, but my picks were based on anticipated plot developments, not affection for the NPC. I like 2 of the ones on my list.

I know, I liked your post and your reasons Sorry all, wasn't referring to everyone in the thread and certainly trying to pick a fight! ;D

[MichaelStuart]

My Role playing reason for killing former companions would be because someone payed me to.
I like to play as a mercenary whose only in it for the money, and willing to take any job.

Anders: A lot of people would pay to have him dead.
Leliana: I think the Templers would pay to have the right hand of the mage loving divine killed.
Sebastion: the people who control starkhaven would want him dead.
Fenris and Sten; the Tevinters would probable pay to kill them.
Zevran: The crows already pay to have him killed
Isabella: the Qunari might pay to get her.
Morrigan: I kill her for free after hearing her whine.
Cullen.Role-playing would not stop me form killing him.

[LolaLei]

Nooooo I don't wanna fight my old companions, I'm too attached to them all!

Although... I guess it would be kinda cool if, for example, Anders or Alistair thought the new DA3 protagonist 'n' co were "bad guys" and you start to fight them and then it pans to a cut scene where you manage to convince them you're on their side or something. So you still get that "OH SH!T" moment when you think you've gotta kill an old companion and then the relief when you realise that you don't have to/have the option not to.

[LolaLei]

Dakota Strider wrote...

Got to agree with Deuce985 about Cullen. Anyone that evokes so much squeeing must be evil.

Aw you're just jealous!

Modifié par LolaLei, 06 juin 2012 - 10:33 .

[Fallstar]

I would love to kill Sebastian. And Fenris. Wynne possibly too.

[Dakota Strider]

And I had forgotten about Tallis. I really hope she turns out to be one of the bad guys (gals). She would be my exception for not wanting to attack ladies.

[Samzo77]

1) I'd like to fight Alistar. No real reason why.

2) Fighting Justice would be cool, maybe a showdown in the fade.

3) Sten, mostly because I want to see a war with the Qunari.

4) Fighting Lelianna would make sense if it is Mage against Chantry, but she never seemed anti-Mage to me. She seemed more middle of the road, so it would make more sense to fight her if you were a zealous Templar.

[Brodoteau]

LolaLei wrote...

Nooooo I don't wanna fight my old companions, I'm too attached to them all!

Although... I guess it would be kinda cool if, for example, Anders or Alistair thought the new DA3 protagonist 'n' co were "bad guys" and you start to fight them and then it pans to a cut scene where you manage to convince them you're on their side or something. So you still get that "OH SH!T" moment when you think you've gotta kill an old companion and then the relief when you realise that you don't have to/have the option not to.

See, I can see Bioware doing this and I agree it would all kinds of fun, but this is also cheesy and avoids the difficult RP decision.  Afterall a new protagonist should have no real reason to care about these former companions (unless Alistair was the king).  If you are going to play a new protagonist each game, then I think Bioware needs to give us their perspective.  Our protagonist should be intimidated to face off against by the ~legendary~ Zevran or Justice or Isabela or whatever rather than being "Hey Justice, how was it being Kristoff anyway?"   I always got a sad smile at the fact that I had to face off against Ajantis in BG2 and there was no way to get out of killing him.   

That being said, let me cast a solid vote for this idea:  The new protagonist is being hunted/runs into a squad of Grey Wardens only to have to face off against Oghren, Nathaniel, Sigrun and Velanna.  I'd have difficulties with that encounter.

And let me just say that I don't think this should be killing for the sake of killing.  I do think there are real RP reasons for why these fights might have to occurr within the storyline.  But I respect that some people just want the fight for the sake of the fight.

[TEWR]

I doubt that just randomly fighting a companion would be a good idea. There has to be a solid reasoning for it. Not just a fight for the sake of fighting.

That said, some of the companions do lend themselves well to the idea. Sten, for example, has long been the subject of my speculative theory that he will become the new Arishok. Because we all know that DA3 will end with the Qunari invading Thedas.

I've often said this before, but I'll say it again: DA3 will end with Sten -- now having grown a goatee of badassery -- riding a Qunari dreadnought towards Thedas, with a box of cookies under one arm and a box of kittens under the other. He will look towards the screen and say....

"No".

However, I doubt he'd be a killable boss battle. I've also long since thought that Sten -- who admits in DAO that his views have changed and that he doesn't wish to meet the Warden as an enemy, because the Warden is one of his few non-Qunari friends -- will be one of the main leaders in a sort of.... renaissance period for the Qun.

Now maybe the Qun would face an ideological split as a result, but I don't think Sten will be killable. A boss battle maybe, but a killable boss battle I doubt.

Sebastian is one that I'm not so sure about. While he makes claims to raise an army and destroy Kirkwall, I doubt he ever followed through with it.

Anders I can definitely see being one.

Morrigan won't be, I'm fairly certain.

[TEWR]

DuskWarden wrote...

I would love to kill Sebastian. And Fenris. Wynne possibly too.

You can fight her in DAO.

And if you didn't.... well... you won't ever get the chance to fight her again.

[Vormaerin]

Want to fight them because I can't stand their whiny, treacherous, useless personalities? Alistair and Anders.

Like to fight them because it could make a good plot? Morrigan, Sebastian, and Sten.