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[jaydubs67]

deathbysteel wrote...

What? No buff for the viper? If any gun needs a buff it's the viper. I've seen more people using the incisor. It's pretty much the ultimate hasbeen weapon.

Yeah, like I said... I totally forgot about the other snipers, lol.  And as much as I agree that the viper needs a buff, it's too late.  I'll have to wait a whole nother week before I can add that in.  ^See thread title.  

[codename2o2]

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New weapon added
-Krogan Thresher Maw Cannon
Base damage: 9999999999.5
Base ROF:1/five min
Base encumbrance: 2.90
Base ammo capacity: 1/5
Even after having been fired, thresher maws continue to cause havoc across the map, inflicting damage to both enemies and allies

Modifié par codename2o2, 06 juin 2012 - 11:04 .

[Shampoohorn]

Xaijin wrote...

.......

That's pretty easy to answer. The claymore is an established weapon, and is therefore immune to complaints.

Claymore weighs twice as much as the Reegar.  Easy answers are sometimes wrong answers, it seems.

Modifié par Shampoohorn, 06 juin 2012 - 11:04 .

[holdenagincourt]

Thomas Abram wrote...

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

How about I pretend to not be the laziest and most useless employee and just think up some random balance changes like he does? ...... Nah still too easy ....

Hey! No one takes my title...

Insulting staff members = vacation.

LOL! But you're always smashing things...you can't be that lazy.... 

[Shampoohorn]

codename2o2 wrote...

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June 12, 2012
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New weapon added
-Krogan Thresher Maw Cannon
Base damage: 9999999999.5
Base ROF:1/five min
Base encumbrance: 2.90
Base ammo capacity: 1/5
Even after having been fired, thresher maws continue to cause havoc across the map, inflicting damage to both enemies and allies

I don't think this is a thermal clip weapon.

[Shampoohorn]

aruguren wrote...

Proximity Mine:
- Damage Taken time is up to 10 seconds instead of 8

It's already been buffed through the roof.  Why increase the vulnerability duration?  Cryo probably deserved more attention than proxi.

Elite3141 wrote...

I doubt most of the changes people are suggesting can be performed without a patch. The process for patching a PS3/Xbox 360 game is rather lengthy, meaning patches are used sparingly. As a result most of these suggested changes won't happen. Just thought I'd point that out.

And I don't see anyone mentioning buffs to the Drell Vanguard.

Drellguard is fun to play as is.  What would you change to balance it?

[scheherazade]

Shampoohorn wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

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That's pretty easy to answer. The claymore is an established weapon, and is therefore immune to complaints.

Claymore weighs twice as much as the Reegar.  Easy answers are sometimes wrong answers, it seems.

Claymore also has :
[Significantly] Better burst damage
Better range [with a choke + TC, it one shot kills half way across FB Giant]
IF you use reload cancelling, better sustained DPS

The range + burst damage, also make it a safer weapon.
You can engage from far away, and you can spend more time in cover without sacrificing DPS.

-scheherazade

Modifié par scheherazade, 06 juin 2012 - 11:12 .

[Pitznik]

Xaijin wrote...

scheherazade wrote...

jaydubs67 wrote...

scheherazade wrote...

jaydubs67 wrote...

Reegar Carbine Shotgun
- Encumbrance increased from [1.75-1.0] to [1.75-1.25] 
- Base damage vs armor decreased by 20%

Geth Pulse Rifle
- Increased damage from [24.1-30.1] to [28.9-36.1]  

I think you meant to say shields, as Reeger has normal armor damage without mods, and great shield damage without mods.

Also, without armor mods, the GPR change would have no effect.
It would be doing [5 - 5] damage in either case.
Since armor DR is "-50, with minimum of 5", IIRC

-scheherazade

No, I meant armor.  It would have 2 different damage modifiers, a bonus against shields and a penalty against armor.  Not being able to melt banshees/primes/atlases quite as easily is what I'm going for.  

As far as GPR, I didn't want to get into messing with fire rate too much, and increasing damage past a certain point might give too high a DPS for the weight.  ARs have mods and there is AP ammo for people who want to use it vs armor.  

Reegar + AP ammo currently melts banshees just as fast as Claymore + AP ammo --- and no one minds the claymore DPS.

And currently, Reegar Armor DPS is a hair lower than Hurricane Armor DPS (while Hurricane I weighs less than Reegar X) --- and no one minds Hurricane DPS.

IMHO it's the shield damage that sets the Reegar apart.

So I'm torn as to how to approach it...
You think keeping the massive shield DPS is ok, but the 'par' armor DPS should go down, right?
Why not keep the 'par' armor DPS, and just tone down the massive shield DPS?

-scheherazade

That's pretty easy to answer. The claymore is an established weapon, and is therefore immune to complaints.

Claymore is heavy. Claymore actually punishes you if you miss - you lose one shot + reload, if you "miss" with Reegar, you just correct your aim, like 0.5 seconds of damage lost. Claymore requires reload canceling for best performance.

[chris2365]

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Ultra-Rare Weapons
-Drop rate decreased in Spectre Packs from 2% to 0.5% (Does not apply if bought with Bioware Points)
-Drop rate decreased in Premium Spectre Packs from 5% to 1% (Does not apply if bought with Bioware Points)

Premium Spectre Pack
-Price increased from 99 000 credits to 150 000 credits (240 Bioware points to 320 Bioware points)
-100% more chance to drop Common character Cards
-50% less chance to drop Uncommon or Rare Character Cards

Spectre Pack
-Price increased from 60 000 credits to 100 000 credits (160 Bioware points to 240 Bioware points)
-100% more chance to drop Common character Cards
-50% less chance to drop Uncommon or Rare Character Cards

Firebase White
-Enemies can now spawn anywhere on the map
-Geth now have 1.5 times more forces than usual (including Primes, Hunters, Pyros, etc,)

Geth

Geth Rocket Trooper
-Can now fire 3 rockets at once

Geth Prime
- Shields incresed from 1500 to 2500
- Armor increased from 1000 to 2000
- Pulse Cannon can now deplete shields in one shot (even at full strengh)

Geth Hunters
- Hunters do not lose their cloak ability if their shields are depleted
- Speed increased from 5 km/h to 10 km/h
- Geth Plasma Shotgun's rate of fire increased from 60 to 100
- Geth Plasma Shotgun's damage doubled.

Geth Pyros
- Geth Pyros flamethrower range increased from 2.5 meters to 5 meters

Cerberus

Phantom
- Hand Cannon of Death damage doubled
- Phantom is now faster and more acrobatic
- Phantom now skips melee hits and jumps directly to one hit kill
- Health and shields increased

Atlas
- Fire rate for rocket launcher doubled
- Armor and shields increased

Reapers

Maurader
- Maurader Shields now spawns at round 10
- He has 15 times the health and shields of a normal Maurader
- His weapon does 5 times more damage than a regular Maurader Phaeston

Ravagers
- A swarmer can now take out your shields in one hit (same for health)
- Ravagers now have double armor and a Barrier

Brute
- Armor Piercing Ammo, Piercing Mod, or any other penetrative ability/mod can not get past his metal plating
- One hit kill rate doubled

Banshee
- Now moves twice as fast

Addition of a new enemy: Harvester

- Can come anytime during the match
- Has quadruple the armor of a Banshee and double the Barrier
- Can leave and repair his armor

Weapons will be unaffected, for now....

Enjoy!

Modifié par chris2365, 06 juin 2012 - 11:14 .

[Crimson Invictus]

No buff to the Disciple? That gun is so hilariously bad it is hard to imagine anybody actually used it before they released it.

[holdenagincourt]

Shampoohorn wrote...

aruguren wrote...

Proximity Mine:
- Damage Taken time is up to 10 seconds instead of 8

It's already been buffed through the roof.  Why increase the vulnerability duration?  Cryo probably deserved more attention than proxi.

Elite3141 wrote...

I doubt most of the changes people are suggesting can be performed without a patch. The process for patching a PS3/Xbox 360 game is rather lengthy, meaning patches are used sparingly. As a result most of these suggested changes won't happen. Just thought I'd point that out.

And I don't see anyone mentioning buffs to the Drell Vanguard.

Drellguard is fun to play as is.  What would you change to balance it?

Fun, but frustrating when I'm not on the top of my game. Very little margin for error on that one.

Drell Vanguard:
-Biotic Charge cooldown decreased by 25%
-Base Barriers increased to 500
-Base encumbrance bonus increased by 5%
-Base weapon damage bonus increased by 5%

Pull
-Increased stagger animation duration of protected enemies by 50%

I think this would put him right up there with the DA as a versatile character who is slightly more user-friendly. Well, DA would still be better, but that's just Reave doing its job. 

[Mozts]

 A game thread... Cool. I will play along.

Reegar Carbine
- Introduced 0.5x multiplier VS armor.
- Increase multiplier 3x VS shield from 3x to 3.5x
- Reduced damage from 52.6-66.0 to 43.6-57.8
- Removed piercing ability when equiped with Shredder Mod or Armor Piercing ammo.
- Weight increased from 1.7-1.0 to 2.5-1.7

Tech Armour power
- Rank 3 Explosion Radius increased from 20% to 30%
- Rank 3 Explosion Damage increased from 20% to 30%
- Rank 4  Explosion Radius increased from 30% to 40% (Rank 4 Explosion Damage is remains unchanged)
- Base detonation force increased from 1000 to 1200

Tactical Cloak Power
- Base cooldown increased from 3.33s to 4s
- Decreased radius from which enemies can detect cloaked players

Geth Rocket unit
- Decresed rocket traveling speed (Players should now be abble to dodge more easily)

Geth Prime's Unit
- Combat Drone should now work as intended
- Geth Turret deploy rate greatly reduced

Cryo Blast Power
- Base freeze duration increased from 3s to 4s
- Rank 5 increased damage to chilled and frozen target increased from 10% to 20%

Incinerate Power
- Rank 4 impact radius increased from 1.5m to 3.0m
- Base damage increased from 350 to 400

Singularity Power
- Base radius incresed from 1m to 2m
- Rank 5 Lift damage increased from 50 to 65

Shockwave Power
- Base range increased from 10m to 15m
- Base radius increased from 2m to 2.5m

Drell Characters
- Normal melee execution time decreased

Krogan Characters
- Stun chance greatly reduced while Rage mode is active

[stysiaq]

chipsandwich wrote...

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Geth Hunter
-Increased movement speed by 10%

Geth Pyro
-Increased movement speed by 10%
-Increased attack range by 10%

Wave 10 Objective [Gold]
-Increased max number of Geth Prime turrets from 2 to 3
-Removed one Rocket Trooper and replaced with one Hunter

Veteran Pack
-Increased drop rate of Incisor, Locust and Viper by 200%
-Decreased drop rate of Mattock, Phalanx and Phaeston to compensate

Spectre Pack
-Increased Drell Vanguard drop rate by 200%
-Reduced ultra rare drop rate from 5% to 1%

Premium Spectre Pack
-Increased Drell Vanguard drop rate by 200%
-Reduced ultra rare drop rate from 5% in two slots to 2% in one slot

New: Legend Pack
-Cost: 500,000 credits and the locking of one non-human character from player manifest
-50% chance of regular ultra rare drop
-25% chance of N7 Eagle upgrade
-25% chance for five Drell Vanguard or Batarian Sentinel cards

Win.

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Revenant Assault Rifle
- Damage increased from [63.6-79.5] to [127.3 -169.4]
- Rate of fire increased by 15%
- Accuracy increased by 20%
- Usage restricted to user pasieka17 only

[MoeRayShep]

A lot of really good ideas here. Especially like some of the solutions popping up regarding balancing TC, buffing some of the more woefully underpowered/overshadowed weapons and powers, and trying to put the Reegar and Krysae in the right context.
I get the impression that a good chunk of BioWare's resources must be dedicated to other projects like the Extended Cut. They're doing a good job with these cool DLC releases, but not so much with addressing many of the core aspects of multiplayer-- netcoding, bugs, balance.
I'm becoming increasingly cynical regarding weapon balance with this new DLC. "Free" content is paid for by microtransactions. Releasing pointedly overpowered weapons seems like a great way to drive up sales.

[zRz Tyr]

Male Quarians
-Increased the size of the crotch by 100%

Atlases
-Decreased the units size by 99%. It is now a very small insect looking thing. Keep in mind that its stats remain the same.

Incinerate
-Freezes its targets instead of setting them on fire

Cryo Blast
-Sets its targets on fire instead of freezing it

Assault Rifles
-Decreased the damage by 200%. Umadbro?

Tactical Cloak
-Increased Sniper damage bonus by 1000%
-Decreased recharge time by 100%
-Problem?


Biotics
-Increased the recharge time on Biotics by 100%

Geth classes
-Decreased health by 50%
-Removed tactical cloak and geth turret

Insta-kill units
-If one player gets insta killed by one of these units, all players will die. Even in other matches

Geth Primes
-Geth Primes may... AH! wtf all units can insta kill now!

Store System
-100% chance that a troll face will appear instead of items.

Infiltrators
-Removed Tactical Cloak

Modifié par zRz Tyr, 06 juin 2012 - 11:36 .

[jfruelas521]

codename2o2 wrote...

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June 12, 2012
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New weapon added
-Krogan Thresher Maw Cannon
Base damage: 9999999999.5
Base ROF:1/five min
Base encumbrance: 2.90
Base ammo capacity: 1/5
Even after having been fired, thresher maws continue to cause havoc across the map, inflicting damage to both enemies and allies

LOL, that would actually make for some very interesting gameplay. 

[stysiaq]

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Alliance HQ
- added time for aerial bombardment

Revenant Assault Rifle
- Damage increased from [63.6-79.5] to [127.3 -169.4]
- Rate of fire increased by 15%
- Accuracy increased by 20%
- Usage restricted to user pasieka17 only

Infiltrators
- Removed the Tactical Cloak ability, replaced with Proximity Mine (you have 2 Proxy mine skill trees on GI and SI)

Ravagers and Turrets
- Granted Tactical Cloak ability
- Granted immunity to all damage but melee
- More likely to attack Geth characters first

Modifié par stysiaq, 07 juin 2012 - 08:42 .

[MWaHa]

Geth Faction:
-All geth get really cute bunny ears. Actually, geth changed into adorable bunnies.

This should fix the balance for the krysae. No one will want to blow up and disintegrate a crowd of adorable bunnies.

This will also quiet people who think GI is too overpowered. Because who is going to be mad about a bunny with a Widow X?

[Mozts]

stysiaq wrote...

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Alliance HQ
- added time for aerial bombardment

Awesome:lol:

[Blind2Society]

zRz Tyr wrote...

Male Quarians
-Increased the size of the crotch by 100%

Atlases
-Decreased the units size by 99%. It is now a very small insect looking thing. Keep in mind that its stats remain the same.

[jaydubs67]

MoeRayShep wrote...

A lot of really good ideas here. Especially like some of the solutions popping up regarding balancing TC, buffing some of the more woefully underpowered/overshadowed weapons and powers, and trying to put the Reegar and Krysae in the right context.

Thanks.  

MoeRayShep wrote...


I get the impression that a good chunk of BioWare's resources must be dedicated to other projects like the Extended Cut. They're doing a good job with these cool DLC releases, but not so much with addressing many of the core aspects of multiplayer-- netcoding, bugs, balance.
I'm becoming increasingly cynical regarding weapon balance with this new DLC. "Free" content is paid for by microtransactions. Releasing pointedly overpowered weapons seems like a great way to drive up sales.

I'd also add that it might be difficult to balance classes or weapons you don't personally play as.  For instance, I have no idea what (if anything) should be changed about a class like the drellguard since I never play it.  The same with singularity and shockwave.  And I don't use the QE either.  Incinerate and cryo only got mentioned because I have experience with HIs and the HE/SE.  

Thinking about it, Sentry Turret probably needs a buff too... 

[holdenagincourt]

Mozts wrote...

Drell Characters
- Normal melee execution time decreased

Yes, a hundred times yes. There are way too many startup and cooldown frames in that animation, it still hasn't finished before that Nemesis is out of stunlock and running away! 

[aruguren]

Shampoohorn wrote...

aruguren wrote...

Proximity Mine:
- Damage Taken time is up to 10 seconds instead of 8

It's already been buffed through the roof.  Why increase the vulnerability duration?  Cryo probably deserved more attention than proxi.

Ah, I just want more time to use Prox + Marksman,  I didn't measure the time if it's enough to do a Marksman run with the duration of the mine.

But I agree with you about Cryo.

[Blind2Society]

aruguren wrote...

Shampoohorn wrote...

aruguren wrote...

Proximity Mine:
- Damage Taken time is up to 10 seconds instead of 8

It's already been buffed through the roof.  Why increase the vulnerability duration?  Cryo probably deserved more attention than proxi.

Ah, I just want more time to use Prox + Marksman,  I didn't measure the time if it's enough to do a Marksman run with the duration of the mine.

But I agree with you about Cryo.

Yet Proxy still only takes away half health from mooks on silver. Really, all I think proxy needs is increased proximity.

[Descy_]

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User "Descy_"
- Skillz increased from [0.00] to [0.01]
- Epeen increased from [-0.09] to [10.0]

Modifié par Descy_, 07 juin 2012 - 12:56 .