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[gilgamesh v9]

 I honestly don't know, did I miss something? Where did this start?

[defleshing]

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[gilgamesh v9]

defleshing wrote...

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Hm, then I must be playing it wrong. I score way better as a Drell Adept or Krogan Vanguard than even a Geth Infiltrator.

[Cyonan]

They're a powerful class. You could give a character nothing but Tactical Cloak and it would still be a great character.

Though I don't get why this is a recent thing that everyone and their mother is calling for an Infiltrator nerf, since Tactical Cloak has been around in its' current version since launch(Other than a few bugs showing up which hurts the ability).

[CrutchCricket]

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[MissMinaethiel]

*shrugs* I find it to be a forum fad. Whether I'm playing an infiltrator or am playing with one, I'm always glad to have them on the team. Quicker games, easier credits, and great support. Plus I love playing the medic/objective Infil xD Makes me feel like a super heroine ^-^ As dumb as that sounds

[Zero132132]

Because tactical cloak makes infiltrators the best at clearing objectives, the best damage dealers, and the best at rezing people. I don't really mind, though; I suck with them to an absurd degree, and I assume that people that don't suck with them are very skilled players, and deserve their high damage bonuses. I'll stick to biotic explosions.

[Jeffry]

gilgamesh v9 wrote...

defleshing wrote...

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Hm, then I must be playing it wrong. I score way better as a Drell Adept or Krogan Vanguard than even a Geth Infiltrator.

on bronze mb, but its impossible to score better as a krogan than inf on gold

Cyonan wrote...

They're a powerful class. You could give a character nothing but Tactical Cloak and it would still be a great character.

Though I don't get why this is a recent thing that everyone and their mother is calling for an Infiltrator nerf, since Tactical Cloak has been around in its' current version since launch(Other than a few bugs showing up which hurts the ability).

its a recent thing because of the krysae, its not the wpn itself that is overpowered (mb a little bit), but the synergy with TC is devastating and srsly OP

Modifié par Jeffry, 07 juin 2012 - 03:40 .

[gilgamesh v9]

I just hope Bioware doesn't nerf them... If they nerf anything it should be the DLC weapons, and even that i dont really care about

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

defleshing wrote...

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This^


Is wrong

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

gilgamesh v9 wrote...

I just hope Bioware doesn't nerf them... If they nerf anything it should be the DLC weapons, and even that i dont really care about

Tactical cloak just needs a harsher CD or a small damage nerf.

Not a big deal. 

[Lynx7725]

Shrug. I also don't get it. I'm not even sure if the people who are calling for a nerf even plays Infiltrators.

I play almost all the classes and a lot of the races, but admittedly the infiltrator has a place close to the heart. I don't see what they claim, that Infiltrators are dominating the top -- I see engineers, I see vanguards, on and off I see an Infiltrator who's particularly good.

There are good players and bad players. Good Vanguards, Bad Vanguards. And definitely Good infiltrators and bad infiltrators. I rather aim the bullet at the player, not the class.

Not to say the class is perfect. I would like it to have more options for alternative builds.

[Cyonan]

Jeffry wrote...

its a recent thing because of the krysae, its not the wpn itself that is overpowered (mb a little bit), but the synergy with TC is devastating and srsly OP

Right, only no other weapon has the level of OPness that people are claiming Krysae + TC has.

So why nerf the entire class because 1 gun has too good of synergy with it? Doesn't logic say you should just break the synergy with that ONE specific weapon a bit?

[TheKillerAngel]

I think biotic explosion teams are far more effective than infiltrators. Nothing tops constant staggering and massive destruction.

Modifié par TheKillerAngel, 07 juin 2012 - 03:43 .

[gilgamesh v9]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

gilgamesh v9 wrote...

I just hope Bioware doesn't nerf them... If they nerf anything it should be the DLC weapons, and even that i dont really care about

Tactical cloak just needs a harsher CD or a small damage nerf.

Not a big deal. 

Yeah, a small nerf i would be okay with, i just dont want them to completely ruin the point of the class. longer CD makes sense. the fact that i can cloak, reload my javelin (w/o cancelling) then cloak again is a tiny bit op... just a little

[MissMinaethiel]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

gilgamesh v9 wrote...

I just hope Bioware doesn't nerf them... If they nerf anything it should be the DLC weapons, and even that i dont really care about

Tactical cloak just needs a harsher CD or a small damage nerf.

Not a big deal. 

See I'd take the small damage nerf, but I'd prefer the CD stay as is. It's why infils make such great rezzers and objective runners. That way it can still be good at taking down units, but really excel at the more team-oriented aspect of the game. Of course I'd love for it to stay the same but hey, beggers can't be choosers if it does get a nerf =P

[Lynx7725]

Jeffry wrote...
its a recent thing because of the krysae, its not the wpn itself that is overpowered (mb a little bit), but the synergy with TC is devastating and srsly OP

Hey, I saw a Vorcha yesterday with a Krysae who dominated my game. Should we nerf the Vorcha then?

(J/k. Not advocating a nerf on the Vorcha. The Krysae is bad for teamwork, so should be tweaked.. probably reduced damage, reduced AOE. It's not a bad rifle per se, just bad for teamwork -- people can snooze on the job with someone else humping this rifle.)

[Commander Castillo]

A whole lot of people are going full retard. Never go full retard

[defleshing]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

defleshing wrote...

scoreboard

This^


Is wrong

care to elaborate why you think people are complaining about them?

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

gilgamesh v9 wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

gilgamesh v9 wrote...

I just hope Bioware doesn't nerf them... If they nerf anything it should be the DLC weapons, and even that i dont really care about

Tactical cloak just needs a harsher CD or a small damage nerf.

Not a big deal. 

Yeah, a small nerf i would be okay with, i just dont want them to completely ruin the point of the class. longer CD makes sense. the fact that i can cloak, reload my javelin (w/o cancelling) then cloak again is a tiny bit op... just a little

Reasonable! 

Most people want to just scream at the nerfers and claim that anything that gets nerfed no matter how small will make the class/weapon useless.

Just like how nerfing made the paladin,Carnifex,falcon, and QI useless! (Sarcasm) 

[GhostRonin]

It cause people dont like having others leading the score board... honestly people need to stop screaming for nerfs of classes... i have played all the classes and 9-10 times i can lead the leader boards with any class i play.. this may sound like a brag but what im trying to say is learn to play a class right and that "OP" infiltrator will not be so "OP"... what needs to happen is they need to FIX all the other class bugs that are holding thoses classes "back"

[Jeffry]

Cyonan wrote...

Right, only no other weapon has the level of OPness that people are claiming Krysae + TC has.

So why nerf the entire class because 1 gun has too good of synergy with it? Doesn't logic say you should just break the synergy with that ONE specific weapon a bit?

every rare and better sniper rifle is awesome with TC (just look at Valiant, you are able to fire all 3 shots before the TC buff wears off, if youre playing Geth you can do the same with Black Widow), but I guess Krysae just exposed how much awesome

and how would you do that exactly? "+40% dmg bonus to everything except Krysae Sniper Rifle"? )

[gilgamesh v9]

GhostRonin wrote...

It cause people dont like having others leading the score board... honestly people need to stop screaming for nerfs of classes... i have played all the classes and 9-10 times i can lead the leader boards with any class i play.. this may sound like a brag but what im trying to say is learn to play a class right and that "OP" infiltrator will not be so "OP"... what needs to happen is they need to FIX all the other class bugs that are holding thoses classes "back"

I have the opposite experience, i do poorly with all the classes. lol

you do make good points though, bug fixes > nerfs/buffs

[jaydubs67]

It's not so much wanting to nerf the class, as to reign in the very evident power creep. The infiltrator was already one of (if not the) best classes pre-Resurgence. Infiltrators received heavy buffs in both DLCs, with the addition of the gethfiltrator and now the Krysae. I would suggest:

-Krysae no longer benefits from the sniper rifle damage bonus evolution on cloak.
-Damage boost duration after cloak shortened slightly so that you can only fit in 2 shots from the black widow and 1 shot from the claymore w/ reload canceling.
-Firing a charged shot from Graal/GPS/Kishok now deactivates cloak. Firing Reegar and then cloaking no longer maintains cloak.
-Boost stealth on cloak so that things like geth prime turrets and husks can no longer instantly see through cloak.

I think these would be fair balance tweaks. For the record, I play around 30% infiltrator.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

defleshing wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

defleshing wrote...

scoreboard

This^


Is wrong

care to elaborate why you think people are complaining about them?

No because i've explained it before and you can figure it out yourself. There have been plenty of threads explaining why it's not about the scoreboard and i'm sure you've seen and ignored them .