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[Jeffry]

GhostRonin wrote...

It cause people dont like having others leading the score board... honestly people need to stop screaming for nerfs of classes... i have played all the classes and 9-10 times i can lead the leader boards with any class i play.. this may sound like a brag but what im trying to say is learn to play a class right and that "OP" infiltrator will not be so "OP"... what needs to happen is they need to FIX all the other class bugs that are holding thoses classes "back"

if the rest of the team are complete morons sure you can top the game with every class, but you can never top a mediocre infiltrator with krysae (or a good inf with valiant / black widow) no matter how hard you try

[Cyonan]

Jeffry wrote...

every rare and better sniper rifle is awesome with TC (just look at Valiant, you are able to fire all 3 shots before the TC buff wears off, if youre playing Geth you can do the same with Black Widow), but I guess Krysae just exposed how much awesome

and how would you do that exactly? "+40% dmg bonus to everything except Krysae Sniper Rifle"? )

Making the Krysae an Assault Rifle(You can keep the scope as a free mod for it) would break the synergy quite nicely.

Though Black Widow and Valiant(and Krysae) are the only rare+ SRs that are naturally awesome with TC. Widow/Javelin are good, but shield gating is really harsh if you lack the ability to break the target's shields first.

Modifié par Cyonan, 07 juin 2012 - 03:54 .

[gilgamesh v9]

jaydubs67 wrote...

It's not so much wanting to nerf the class, as to reign in the very evident power creep. The infiltrator was already one of (if not the) best classes pre-Resurgence. Infiltrators received heavy buffs in both DLCs, with the addition of the gethfiltrator and now the Krysae. I would suggest:

-Krysae no longer benefits from the sniper rifle damage bonus evolution on cloak.
-Damage boost duration after cloak shortened slightly so that you can only fit in 2 shots from the black widow and 1 shot from the claymore w/ reload canceling.
-Firing a charged shot from Graal/GPS/Kishok now deactivates cloak. Firing Reegar and then cloaking no longer maintains cloak.
-Boost stealth on cloak so that things like geth prime turrets and husks can no longer instantly see through cloak.

I think these would be fair balance tweaks. For the record, I play around 30% infiltrator.

Great ideas! I would be fine with these

[GhostRonin]

gilgamesh v9 wrote...

GhostRonin wrote...

It cause people dont like having others leading the score board... honestly people need to stop screaming for nerfs of classes... i have played all the classes and 9-10 times i can lead the leader boards with any class i play.. this may sound like a brag but what im trying to say is learn to play a class right and that "OP" infiltrator will not be so "OP"... what needs to happen is they need to FIX all the other class bugs that are holding thoses classes "back"

I have the opposite experience, i do poorly with all the classes. lol

you do make good points though, bug fixes > nerfs/buffs

lol i sucked at first too.. but watching people play and talking to people on what to spec for and how to use it helped me out alot... and ya i see so many bugs that people exploit and i know its a bug that needs to get fix and people then scream about the class is "OP" and im like really STFU its a skill bug not the power its self that needs to get fixed... let me put in a example the new sniper gun has a bug in it where if you zoom in fire a round and ass the scope zooms out u pull the trigger really fast you can get 2 shots off in 1/2 the time it takes to normally fire 2 shots... i see people doing this alot and thats part of the reason people are calling for a nerf on the gun/infiltrators... so to sum it all up        Fix Bugs>Nerf all things

[JohnConrad]

Only problem I have with Infiltrators is when I'm in a team with 3 of the buggers and I'm the murder on sight meat shield ^^

[Omnifarious Nef]

Jeffry wrote...

gilgamesh v9 wrote...

defleshing wrote...

scoreboard

Hm, then I must be playing it wrong. I score way better as a Drell Adept or Krogan Vanguard than even a Geth Infiltrator.

on bronze mb, but its impossible to score better as a krogan than inf on gold

Cyonan wrote...

They're a powerful class. You could give a character nothing but Tactical Cloak and it would still be a great character.

Though I don't get why this is a recent thing that everyone and their mother is calling for an Infiltrator nerf, since Tactical Cloak has been around in its' current version since launch(Other than a few bugs showing up which hurts the ability).

its a recent thing because of the krysae, its not the wpn itself that is overpowered (mb a little bit), but the synergy with TC is devastating and srsly OP

Wrong, I scored 133k with a Kroguard wielding an Insicor against a SI with BW.

Modifié par NeferiusX3, 07 juin 2012 - 03:58 .

[gilgamesh v9]

JohnConrad wrote...

Only problem I have with Infiltrators is when I'm in a team with 3 of the buggers and I'm the murder on sight meat shield ^^

yeah that is really annoying, ahahaha

[Creighton72]

Another Infiltrator "discussion", really?

Modifié par Creighton72, 07 juin 2012 - 03:57 .

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Creighton72 wrote...

Another Infiltrator "discussion", really?

Why do you care? 

it's not like this threads exsistence is stealing thunder from other threads. It's possible to read more than 1

[gilgamesh v9]

Creighton72 wrote...

Another Infiltrator "discussion", really?

yeah, just cuz i didn't know why there were so many

well this is awfully ironic...

[Jeffry]

Cyonan wrote...

Making the Krysae an Assault Rifle(You can keep the scope as a free mod for it) would break the synergy quite nicely.

Though Black Widow and Valiant(and Krysae) are the only rare+ SRs that are naturally awesome with TC. Widow/Javelin are good, but shield gating is really harsh if you lack the ability to break the target's shields first.

that would be not enough, as a salarian infiltrator I dont have the tier 6 + sniper dmg and its still OP as fcuk (but fun nevertheless), Id say slow its rate of fire a bit aswell

[Gust4v]

Because hey don't care about the class, they only want to continue to use OP weapons.

[Fox-snipe]

Jeffry wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Making the Krysae an Assault Rifle(You can keep the scope as a free mod for it) would break the synergy quite nicely.

Though Black Widow and Valiant(and Krysae) are the only rare+ SRs that are naturally awesome with TC. Widow/Javelin are good, but shield gating is really harsh if you lack the ability to break the target's shields first.

that would be not enough, as a salarian infiltrator I dont have the tier 6 + sniper dmg and its still OP as fcuk (but fun nevertheless), Id say slow its rate of fire a bit aswell

That suggests it's the weapon that's a problem then though, not the class.  Other classes can boost weapon damage as well.

And your Krysae is at level X.

[Trakarg]

Jeffry wrote...

gilgamesh v9 wrote...

defleshing wrote...

scoreboard

Hm, then I must be playing it wrong. I score way better as a Drell Adept or Krogan Vanguard than even a Geth Infiltrator.

on bronze mb, but its impossible to score better as a krogan than inf on gold

Cyonan wrote...

They're a powerful class. You could give a character nothing but Tactical Cloak and it would still be a great character.

Though I don't get why this is a recent thing that everyone and their mother is calling for an Infiltrator nerf, since Tactical Cloak has been around in its' current version since launch(Other than a few bugs showing up which hurts the ability).

its a recent thing because of the krysae, its not the wpn itself that is overpowered (mb a little bit), but the synergy with TC is devastating and srsly OP

Try a krogan battlemaster with a reegar.  He is a beast on gold.

[defleshing]

bottom line if there was no scoreboard people wouldn't be calling for nerfs.

[Lynx7725]

Ok, let's leave the Krysae out because the weapon is an obvious problem, with or without TC.

Adjusting the boost damage duration only affects maybe the top few percent of infiltrators. IMO, the average Infiltrator won't be able to get the effect for the third BW/ Valiant shot -- not fast enough. You might say it's easy, but it still requires quick hand-eye coordination... A good number of people can't do it.

Essentially what I'll do under your suggestion is to shoot three rounds, two with bonus, reload and cloak again. Which is basically what's happening now with most shooters, my perception

The charged shot thing, is more about the way Bioware coded the tact cloak disengage. Basically, they tied the effect to "on trigger pull", not "on trigger release". Code change of tis variety can have some knockon effect so I'm not sure if BW will entertain considerations there. I don't disagree with what you propose, just not sure if technically feasible.

I'm not convinced boosting stealth is a good idea. The current level of stealth is fairly decent; bosses spotting you is reasonable for a boss level mob. Husks locking on though, might need to change.

Personally, I see most of the complaints coming from that the class is very good at dealing damage and there is no incentive for players to do anything else in game. Which is fair comment for bad infiltrators. To balance this, I prefer to see some tree options for builds catering to accomplishing objectives instead, as an alternative build.

[Immortal Strife]

The trend is a product of the Krysae, some feel the new sniper exposed that the infiltrator is class op, while others feel the infiltrator class exposed the Krysae as a weapon of mass destruction. In all honestly they both could use alittle balancing. Thank the heavens that Bioware is the only authority when it comes to balancing, or the forum concensus would have destroyed both the infiltrator and the Krysae by now.

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 07 juin 2012 - 04:07 .

[DSRoy]

The Krysae makes infiltrators top dogs in crowd control, just as they already are in dps, survivability, objective capping, rezzing etc. Why play anything else. The devs don't.

[Aiyie]

because in a coop game mode it is clearly unacceptable for your teammate to score higher than you.

[Jeffry]

Aiyie wrote...

because in a coop game mode it is clearly unacceptable for your teammate to score higher than you.

who said that scoring lower than teammates is the issue? because its not, just compare the classes' perfomance (by the same player, for example you) and youll see that some classes cant even compare to others

Modifié par Jeffry, 07 juin 2012 - 04:20 .

[Transairion]

I doubt there'd be a problem if Soldiers weren't nerfed so hard from SP to be like dirt in Multiplayer.

Infiltrators are better weapon experts than the weapon expert class... hmmm...

[Mozts]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

gilgamesh v9 wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

gilgamesh v9 wrote...

I just hope Bioware doesn't nerf them... If they nerf anything it should be the DLC weapons, and even that i dont really care about

Tactical cloak just needs a harsher CD or a small damage nerf.

Not a big deal. 

Yeah, a small nerf i would be okay with, i just dont want them to completely ruin the point of the class. longer CD makes sense. the fact that i can cloak, reload my javelin (w/o cancelling) then cloak again is a tiny bit op... just a little

Reasonable! 

Most people want to just scream at the nerfers and claim that anything that gets nerfed no matter how small will make the class/weapon useless.

Just like how nerfing made the paladin,Carnifex,falcon, and QI useless! (Sarcasm) 

This^

Balancers unite! (Balancer sounds more political).

[Jeffry]

Transairion wrote...

I doubt there'd be a problem if Soldiers weren't nerfed so hard from SP to be like dirt in Multiplayer.

Infiltrators are better weapon experts than the weapon expert class... hmmm...

soldier was just fine (and acutally one of the best when it came down to dps) till the headshot nerf

[Xaijin]

gilgamesh v9 wrote...

 I honestly don't know, did I miss something? Where did this start?

Low effort, high reward; relatively speaking.