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[LadyAlekto]

infiltrators are assasin a quick and sure kill

soldiers are brutes, dishing out damage over time

both classes are equal in capable hands....

[InfamousResult]

Aiyie wrote...

because in a coop game mode it is clearly unacceptable for your teammate to score higher than you.

Because in a co-op GAME mode it is clearly unacceptable to actually want to play the game instead of having it played for you.

[Transairion]

soldier was just fine (and acutally one of the best when it came down to dps) till the headshot nerf

I almost never aim for headshots and I still do fine in SP... but if they were only good in Multi due to headshots, isn't that a problem?

Headshots is kind of what Infiltrators should always be aiming for...

[Gamemako]

Blaming the Krysae is easy, but Infiltrators were always the best at everything and incredibly easy to use. Adding the Gethfiltrator increased the gap and adding the Krysae just made it even more apparent. Even before the Krysae, half of every Gold team was infiltrators (with the other half being Asari Adepts).

[Jeffry]

Transairion wrote...

soldier was just fine (and acutally one of the best when it came down to dps) till the headshot nerf

I almost never aim for headshots and I still do fine in SP... but if they were only good in Multi due to headshots, isn't that a problem?

Headshots is kind of what Infiltrators should always be aiming for...

only headshot and windshield dmg bonus on primes and atlases was removed, headshots on lower enemies still work as they used to, but since a huge part of their overall dmg came from killing said bosses (at least on gold where there are many of them in almost every wave), it hurt them a lot

and ofc infiltrators were nerfed by this as well, but mainly those who used wpns like widow / javelin and focused on killing bosses in 4 shots, the ones using valiant / black widow can just focus on lower enemies more and still do fine and those with krysae dont have to care about headshots ever again )

Modifié par Jeffry, 07 juin 2012 - 04:49 .

[Kick In The Door]

It's an easy-mode training wheel class. That's the cold, honest and blunt truth. I played it as a main and did extremely well, switched to other classes and noticed I had to put a lot more effort into getting the same results. Since I've quit the infiltrator and focused on other classes I've consistently dominated Gold matches, it was slow and painful but worth it.

More power to the people that truly like the infiltrator class and don't just play it because they're selfish or not very good at the game.

[Lynx7725]

Gamemako wrote...

Blaming the Krysae is easy, but Infiltrators were always the best at everything and incredibly easy to use. Adding the Gethfiltrator increased the gap and adding the Krysae just made it even more apparent. Even before the Krysae, half of every Gold team was infiltrators (with the other half being Asari Adepts).

Good gods do you even PLAY infiltrators? 

Sorry if it comes off as brash but reallly.. BEST at everything? I can't crowd control well. My Soldier crowd control better than my infiltrator. The AA battery crowd control better. I can't DPS as high as some classes, some which can't survive in Gold -- a Vanguard kills faster than an Infiltrator in the right hand, the question is whether he can survive long enough to reap the benefits.

Incredibly easy to use? If I am on the ball as an Infiltrator, I have to keep an eye out for the big mobs, clean the small trash where I can, keep an eye on teammates who have balls for brains and dies out in the boondocks, and STILL work for those objectives. An Infiltrator play is an exercise in prioritization. Easy? I screw the objective I get blamed, I don't revive I get blamed, I don't kill the big bad enemy the rest of the team wonder what I'm doing. WTF?

A tactical infiltrator can get to objective and revive better but is anyone complaining about that? No, most of it is about killing mobs. That's what Infiltrators are designed to do and for some reason we draw aggro for doing what we are designed to do. WTF?

And if you say the Asari Adepts are also dominating Gold, why not nerf them too? What's their secret?

[Cid Revolution]

Vanguards are just upset that Infiltrators snipe their kills before they can foolishly biotic charge into a death mob.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

0 0 7 wrote...

Nobody want to nerf us, in fact, only 4 or 5 trolls said 'Nerf the infiltrator !' (obviously for trolling) and a few idiots follow them.

>Calls others trolls

>Resorts to personal insults

Well played 

Reported 

[InfamousResult]

Cid Revolution wrote...

Vanguards are just upset that Infiltrators snipe their kills before they can foolishly biotic charge into a death mob.

Hey, look at that sweet kneejerk reaction.

"Infiltrators are just upset because they actually KNOW their class is OP, and they're afraid that if Bioware listens to these forums they won't be able to play in gold with the big boys any more."

see how easy it is for me to say things too

[Yajuu Omoi]

Cyonan wrote...

They're a powerful class. You could give a character nothing but Tactical Cloak and it would still be a great character.

Though I don't get why this is a recent thing that everyone and their mother is calling for an Infiltrator nerf, since Tactical Cloak has been around in its' current version since launch(Other than a few bugs showing up which hurts the ability).

Krysae. it because there are all these Krysae using GI's EVERYWHERE giving us REAL infils a bad name
and the elitists are geeting their butts hurt cuz they're getting out scored on a meaningless scoreboard     

[LadyAlekto]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

They're a powerful class. You could give a character nothing but Tactical Cloak and it would still be a great character.

Though I don't get why this is a recent thing that everyone and their mother is calling for an Infiltrator nerf, since Tactical Cloak has been around in its' current version since launch(Other than a few bugs showing up which hurts the ability).

Krysae. it because there are all these Krysae using GI's EVERYWHERE giving us REAL infils a bad name
and the elitists are geeting their butts hurt cuz they're getting out scored on a meaningless scoreboard     

...........+1.........

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Lynx7725 wrote...

Gamemako wrote...

Blaming the Krysae is easy, but Infiltrators were always the best at everything and incredibly easy to use. Adding the Gethfiltrator increased the gap and adding the Krysae just made it even more apparent. Even before the Krysae, half of every Gold team was infiltrators (with the other half being Asari Adepts).

Good gods do you even PLAY infiltrators? 

Sorry if it comes off as brash but reallly.. BEST at everything? I can't crowd control well. My Soldier crowd control better than my infiltrator. The AA battery crowd control better. I can't DPS as high as some classes, some which can't survive in Gold -- a Vanguard kills faster than an Infiltrator in the right hand, the question is whether he can survive long enough to reap the benefits.

Incredibly easy to use? If I am on the ball as an Infiltrator, I have to keep an eye out for the big mobs, clean the small trash where I can, keep an eye on teammates who have balls for brains and dies out in the boondocks, and STILL work for those objectives. An Infiltrator play is an exercise in prioritization. Easy? I screw the objective I get blamed, I don't revive I get blamed, I don't kill the big bad enemy the rest of the team wonder what I'm doing. WTF?

A tactical infiltrator can get to objective and revive better but is anyone complaining about that? No, most of it is about killing mobs. That's what Infiltrators are designed to do and for some reason we draw aggro for doing what we are designed to do. WTF?

And if you say the Asari Adepts are also dominating Gold, why not nerf them too? What's their secret?

Although a HUMAN(Seriously stop grouping all classes together when it dosen't apply)  Vanguard has larger AoE damage i'm pretty sure infillies beat them in Single target DPS which is the one that matters more in most situations.

And yes Infillies are incredibly easy to use. Cloak even with it's bugs allows you far more wiggle room than any other class to survvive while also providing among the best DPS in the game only beaten in sustatined DPS by the human soldier and turian soldier with hurricane. 

Also:Asari adepts do not dominate gold anymore. They haven't since the demo. The dominate Gold cerebrus phantoms. That's it. Other than that they are pretty much inferior to the Drell adept. 

[Yajuu Omoi]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Lynx7725 wrote...

Gamemako wrote...

Blaming the Krysae is easy, but Infiltrators were always the best at everything and incredibly easy to use. Adding the Gethfiltrator increased the gap and adding the Krysae just made it even more apparent. Even before the Krysae, half of every Gold team was infiltrators (with the other half being Asari Adepts).

Good gods do you even PLAY infiltrators? 

Sorry if it comes off as brash but reallly.. BEST at everything? I can't crowd control well. My Soldier crowd control better than my infiltrator. The AA battery crowd control better. I can't DPS as high as some classes, some which can't survive in Gold -- a Vanguard kills faster than an Infiltrator in the right hand, the question is whether he can survive long enough to reap the benefits.

Incredibly easy to use? If I am on the ball as an Infiltrator, I have to keep an eye out for the big mobs, clean the small trash where I can, keep an eye on teammates who have balls for brains and dies out in the boondocks, and STILL work for those objectives. An Infiltrator play is an exercise in prioritization. Easy? I screw the objective I get blamed, I don't revive I get blamed, I don't kill the big bad enemy the rest of the team wonder what I'm doing. WTF?

A tactical infiltrator can get to objective and revive better but is anyone complaining about that? No, most of it is about killing mobs. That's what Infiltrators are designed to do and for some reason we draw aggro for doing what we are designed to do. WTF?

And if you say the Asari Adepts are also dominating Gold, why not nerf them too? What's their secret?

Although a HUMAN(Seriously stop grouping all classes together when it dosen't apply)  Vanguard has larger AoE damage i'm pretty sure infillies beat them in Single target DPS which is the one that matters more in most situations.

And yes Infillies are incredibly easy to use. Cloak even with it's bugs allows you far more wiggle room than any other class to survvive while also providing among the best DPS in the game only beaten in sustatined DPS by the human soldier and turian soldier with hurricane. 

Also:Asari adepts do not dominate gold anymore. They haven't since the demo. The dominate Gold cerebrus phantoms. That's it. Other than that they are pretty much inferior to the Drell adept. 

You're complaining about an Infil doing what they are DESIGNED to do. SINGLE TARGET KILL.

Soldier? Mob Lawn Mower.
Adept? Crowd Control and Redirection
Engineer? DeBuff and Support
Vanguard? Aggro, Frontline
Sentinel? Adapting to different situations with a simple change of the weapon.
Infiltrators are the single target, boss killers, and the elitists have a problem with being outscored? Then they should learn to use their class effectivly!

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 07 juin 2012 - 05:11 .

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

They're a powerful class. You could give a character nothing but Tactical Cloak and it would still be a great character.

Though I don't get why this is a recent thing that everyone and their mother is calling for an Infiltrator nerf, since Tactical Cloak has been around in its' current version since launch(Other than a few bugs showing up which hurts the ability).

Krysae. it because there are all these Krysae using GI's EVERYWHERE giving us REAL infils a bad name
and the elitists are geeting their butts hurt cuz they're getting out scored on a meaningless scoreboard     

Seriously why can't you anti nerfers actually defend your abilities rather than resorting to 'IZ ALL BOUT SCOREBOARDZ" 

[xsdob]

Because they hate the players who like the game.

[Major Durza]

gilgamesh v9 wrote...

I just hope Bioware doesn't nerf them... If they nerf anything it should be the DLC weapons, and even that i dont really care about

There.  That is why people want infiltrators nerfed.

Not too long ago there were tons of threads demanding nerfs on the Krysae Sniper Rifle.  Everyone was saying that it is so OP when they use tac cloak with it.  So, people notice that and they like the Krysae (Possible weapon for my Turian Sentinel or Soldier.)  So they demand that tac cloak be nerfed instead.  Make it more of a cloak than a temporary damage buff.

[Major Durza]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

They're a powerful class. You could give a character nothing but Tactical Cloak and it would still be a great character.

Though I don't get why this is a recent thing that everyone and their mother is calling for an Infiltrator nerf, since Tactical Cloak has been around in its' current version since launch(Other than a few bugs showing up which hurts the ability).

Krysae. it because there are all these Krysae using GI's EVERYWHERE giving us REAL infils a bad name
and the elitists are geeting their butts hurt cuz they're getting out scored on a meaningless scoreboard     

Seriously why can't you anti nerfers actually defend your abilities rather than resorting to 'IZ ALL BOUT SCOREBOARDZ" 

Outscored 2 Krysae infiltrators using a Javelin (Granted, I was reload-cancelling) on Gold.  Firebase Giant against the Geth.  Those hunters are brutal!  They had Krysae X's, I had a Javelin IV

[Ashen One]

It's funny, because if Tactical Cloak takes a nerf, people could always just move to Soldiers using the Krysae.

6 consecutive shots with AR instant reload.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

They're a powerful class. You could give a character nothing but Tactical Cloak and it would still be a great character.

Though I don't get why this is a recent thing that everyone and their mother is calling for an Infiltrator nerf, since Tactical Cloak has been around in its' current version since launch(Other than a few bugs showing up which hurts the ability).

Krysae. it because there are all these Krysae using GI's EVERYWHERE giving us REAL infils a bad name
and the elitists are geeting their butts hurt cuz they're getting out scored on a meaningless scoreboard     

Seriously why can't you anti nerfers actually defend your abilities rather than resorting to 'IZ ALL BOUT SCOREBOARDZ" 

Wha?? Did you not see the part about "meaningless scoreboard"?

I LOVE playing the game just the way it is! and the scoreboard is MEANINGLESS

[Yajuu Omoi]

Ashen Earth wrote...

It's funny, because if Tactical Cloak takes a nerf, people could always just move to Soldiers using the Krysae.

6 consecutive shots with AR instant reload.

Then everyone would cry "AR is soo OP, NERF IT!"
And we'd be back to the same bs. just about AR instead.

Its not the abilities, its the weapon.

TC has been the SAME since launch. nothing about it has changed except the ability for enemies to see through it. and people are just now calling for a nerf. Now that we have a new, OP sniper.

I say change the thing to an assault rifle and reduce the damage...then we'd stop having these TC "issues"

[Mozts]

Ashen Earth wrote...

It's funny, because if Tactical Cloak takes a nerf, people could always just move to Soldiers using the Krysae.

6 consecutive shots with AR instant reload.

Makes sense for a Combat\\weapons expert doesn't it?

Sniper doing very high AoE damage on the other hand...

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

They're a powerful class. You could give a character nothing but Tactical Cloak and it would still be a great character.

Though I don't get why this is a recent thing that everyone and their mother is calling for an Infiltrator nerf, since Tactical Cloak has been around in its' current version since launch(Other than a few bugs showing up which hurts the ability).

Krysae. it because there are all these Krysae using GI's EVERYWHERE giving us REAL infils a bad name
and the elitists are geeting their butts hurt cuz they're getting out scored on a meaningless scoreboard     

Seriously why can't you anti nerfers actually defend your abilities rather than resorting to 'IZ ALL BOUT SCOREBOARDZ" 

Wha?? Did you not see the part about "meaningless scoreboard"?

I LOVE playing the game just the way it is! and the scoreboard is MEANINGLESS

You misunderstood my post.

I was saying how the majiorty of vocal "anti nerfers" only make the arguement  that changes should not be made because the "balancers"  are complaining because they got outscored by an infilly,Rather than adressing why they believe cloak and the KY are not out of scale. 

[Yajuu Omoi]

 http://social.biowar...563/18#12458808

[Lynx7725]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...
Although a HUMAN(Seriously stop grouping all classes together when it dosen't apply)  Vanguard has larger AoE damage i'm pretty sure infillies beat them in Single target DPS which is the one that matters more in most situations.

Sorry; mistake there. Yes, Human Vanguards in the main.

Single Target DPS is what the Infiltrator class is supposed to do best at. Why punish us for it? Take away this capability, and which other class can replace?

If people are to complain about a class, they should put in an effort to understand what the class is supposed to be doing. Taking away the key characteristic/ contribution of a class means the class is likely broken.

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...
And yes Infillies are incredibly easy to use. Cloak even with it's bugs allows you far more wiggle room than any other class to survvive while also providing among the best DPS in the game only beaten in sustatined DPS by the human soldier and turian soldier with hurricane.

Won't deny it. Cloak does give more wriggle room, somewhat more survivability. But only so far. The Infiltrator can't run forever, and it can't do some jobs on its own. Do you think the Infiltrator can go cap objectives or hack on its own? It can't, not efficiently. It's about team effort and coordination. It's about each player doing its role well. Why crap on us for being able to do what we do well?

And even if Cloak gives wiggle room, it doesn't mean the job is easy. Yes if all you do is snipe and snipe, but guess what? Just read all the nerf threads. The community expect infiltrators to snipe bosses, clean trash, pick up floored teammates, do objectives... all at the same time. That's easy?

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The problem, as I see it, is that the recent guns gives too much leeway for the Infiltrator to encroach onto other roles. That's a gun problem; sort the gun out. The other problem is that the build options emphasize too much on damage dealing, and should give options. I'm ok with receiving a damage bonus nerf if build options are substituted, but nerfing just because we are good at something makes not much sense.

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...
Also:Asari adepts do not dominate gold anymore. They haven't since the demo. The dominate Gold cerebrus phantoms. That's it. Other than that they are pretty much inferior to the Drell adept.

That ability by itself buys them acceptance in Gold. So should I call for a nerf on Asari Adepts? I mean, no other class handles Phantoms as well as them. If the behaviour of the forums is any standard to go by, I should really call for a nerf. Doubly so if BW releases a gun that automatically puts warp on everything it touches.