Yajuu Omoi wrote...
Try to pay attention here...
THE COOLDOWN DOESN;T START TILL AFTER THE DAMAGE BONUS IS OVER.
An you only turn "invisible" on you and your teams screens...all enemies can still see you. Period.
AR and Marksman? lasts longer to balance out the bonus. 70% of EVERY shot over 6+ seconds?!? thats a hell of a lot more than 90% for one or two shots.
Jeffry wrote...
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
Try to pay attention here...
THE COOLDOWN DOESN;T START TILL AFTER THE DAMAGE BONUS IS OVER.
An you only turn "invisible" on you and your teams screens...all enemies can still see you. Period.
AR and Marksman? lasts longer to balance out the bonus. 70% of EVERY shot over 6+ seconds?!? thats a hell of a lot more than 90% for one or two shots.
like you can always stick your head out of cover and shoot things for the entire 6-7 secs duration...
Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 07 juin 2012 - 06:21 .
Modifié par Mozts, 07 juin 2012 - 06:26 .
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
Jeffry wrote...
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
Try to pay attention here...
THE COOLDOWN DOESN;T START TILL AFTER THE DAMAGE BONUS IS OVER.
An you only turn "invisible" on you and your teams screens...all enemies can still see you. Period.
AR and Marksman? lasts longer to balance out the bonus. 70% of EVERY shot over 6+ seconds?!? thats a hell of a lot more than 90% for one or two shots.
like you can always stick your head out of cover and shoot things for the entire 6-7 secs duration...
With the instant full shields and full clip? yes, and i always do. Give me my Revenaunt and i'll mow mobs down like i'm a lawn mower and they're the grass.
i.e. Mob Lawn Mower
)
Mozts wrote...
The cooldown starts as soon as cloak is deactivated. But gives you 1.5s 90% bonus damage so you don't feel sad.
If you cloak and move enemies lose track of you. Period.
AR last longer, but you can't use power and recharge times only starts after the duration is over. Lets say you are carrying a Claymore X with Human Soldier speced for weapon damage. AR is only usable every 10 seconds.
Meanwhile in OP-land: Cloak is a spamable power and does more weapon damage, more power damage, more melee damage. Only thing it does not is increase your shields and DR. But enemies melee you in melee range, so its balanced...
Unreal.
Jeffry wrote...
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
Jeffry wrote...
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
Try to pay attention here...
THE COOLDOWN DOESN;T START TILL AFTER THE DAMAGE BONUS IS OVER.
An you only turn "invisible" on you and your teams screens...all enemies can still see you. Period.
AR and Marksman? lasts longer to balance out the bonus. 70% of EVERY shot over 6+ seconds?!? thats a hell of a lot more than 90% for one or two shots.
like you can always stick your head out of cover and shoot things for the entire 6-7 secs duration...
With the instant full shields and full clip? yes, and i always do. Give me my Revenaunt and i'll mow mobs down like i'm a lawn mower and they're the grass.
i.e. Mob Lawn Mower
and what about the Turian's Marksman?
Mozts wrote...
If you cloak and move enemies lose track of you. Period.
but besides that its OP and youre right
Jeffry wrote...
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
Jeffry wrote...
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
Jeffry wrote...
- who cares about crowd control?
Anyone who knows how to play the game.
if you can't kill or contain the mobs...you're getting overrun...and killed.
crowd control is overrated (this is not an mmo), besides with an inf you can single handedly (well, after the HS nerf its a bit more difficult if not using Krysae) prevent being overrun, you cant do that with any other class just by yourself (you either have to have someone there with you to detonate your powers or someone to kill bosses for you so you can focus on mobs or the other way around)
Wha? What planet are YOU playing an infil on? they CANNOT kill mass mobs AND take out bosses at the same time (excluding with the OP Krysae)
Infils take out ONE target at a time unles their heads are lined up in a row
EDIT: Do you even understand what crowd control MEANS?
It MEANS killing, trapping, and/or redirecting large groups of enemies at once.
since when CC = killing? have you ever played any MMO? CC is disabling (as you said trapping or redirecting) and you dont need it (though its much easier with it), you dont need singularity, you dont need bubbles, you dont need nets, you dont need decoys, etc, ever
and you absolutely can kill mass mobs and take out bosses (like I said, this part is a bit trickier now), just use Valiant on every Inf or Black Widow on Geth Inf and while you cant do it every time, for example against jumping banshees and charging brutes, you can still perform at those situations better than everyone else
Mozts wrote...
The cooldown starts as soon as cloak is deactivated. But gives you 1.5s 90% bonus damage so you don't feel sad.
If you cloak and move enemies lose track of you. Period.
AR last longer, but you can't use power and recharge times only starts after the duration is over. Lets say you are carrying a Claymore X with Human Soldier speced for weapon damage. AR is only usable every 10 seconds.
Meanwhile in OP-land: Cloak is a spamable power and does more weapon damage, more power damage, more melee damage. Only thing it does not is increase your shields and DR. But enemies melee you in melee range, so its balanced...
Unreal.
I'm going to sleep.
Modifié par Immortal Strife, 07 juin 2012 - 06:39 .
Cyonan wrote...
They're a powerful class. You could give a character nothing but Tactical Cloak and it would still be a great character.
Though I don't get why this is a recent thing that everyone and their mother is calling for an Infiltrator nerf, since Tactical Cloak has been around in its' current version since launch(Other than a few bugs showing up which hurts the ability).
Ashen Earth wrote...
CC is essential in this game. Being able to contain and stagger annoying enemies is the difference between trying to kite multiple enemies across the map using hit and run tactics for 5 minutes, and finishing a gold run without having to use all 5 medigels, and depending on your team to kill said enemies.
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
Jeffry wrote...
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
Jeffry wrote...
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
Try to pay attention here...
THE COOLDOWN DOESN;T START TILL AFTER THE DAMAGE BONUS IS OVER.
An you only turn "invisible" on you and your teams screens...all enemies can still see you. Period.
AR and Marksman? lasts longer to balance out the bonus. 70% of EVERY shot over 6+ seconds?!? thats a hell of a lot more than 90% for one or two shots.
like you can always stick your head out of cover and shoot things for the entire 6-7 secs duration...
With the instant full shields and full clip? yes, and i always do. Give me my Revenaunt and i'll mow mobs down like i'm a lawn mower and they're the grass.
i.e. Mob Lawn Mower
and what about the Turian's Marksman?
Increase fire rate damage AND accuracy, Phaeston is out of ammo before they turn around. (or before their body hits the ground)
Mozts wrote...
The cooldown starts as soon as cloak is deactivated. But gives you 1.5s 90% bonus damage so you don't feel sad.
If you cloak and move enemies lose track of you. Period.
AR last longer, but you can't use power and recharge times only starts after the duration is over. Lets say you are carrying a Claymore X with Human Soldier speced for weapon damage. AR is only usable every 10 seconds.
Atheosis wrote...
Cyonan wrote...
They're a powerful class. You could give a character nothing but Tactical Cloak and it would still be a great character.
Though I don't get why this is a recent thing that everyone and their mother is calling for an Infiltrator nerf, since Tactical Cloak has been around in its' current version since launch(Other than a few bugs showing up which hurts the ability).
People have talked about it being overpowerd many times sinvce the beta. But BW never nerfed it so I think most people just shrugged and accepted it was never going to be nerfed even though it needed it. Then the Krysae came out and everything went crazy. TC damage on single targets might be a bit OPed but when it starts applying to a bazooka things just get silly.
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
Mozts wrote...
The cooldown starts as soon as cloak is deactivated. But gives you 1.5s 90% bonus damage so you don't feel sad.
If you cloak and move enemies lose track of you. Period.
AR last longer, but you can't use power and recharge times only starts after the duration is over. Lets say you are carrying a Claymore X with Human Soldier speced for weapon damage. AR is only usable every 10 seconds.
Meanwhile in OP-land: Cloak is a spamable power and does more weapon damage, more power damage, more melee damage. Only thing it does not is increase your shields and DR. But enemies melee you in melee range, so its balanced...
Unreal.
The damage bonus TC gives is gone as soon as its broken.
You cloak and they lose you? ARE YOU KIDDING?!? when was the last time you USED and infil? i cloaked 40 minutes ago and the trooper not only STARED shooting at me whn i came around a corner, but he started FOLLOWING me.
And the last thing? its not about them meleeing you. its them SEEING you and being ABLE to melee you when they shouldn't be able to SEE you. You can't melee a cloaked hunter can you? No.
Jeffry wrote...
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
Jeffry wrote...
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
Jeffry wrote...
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
Try to pay attention here...
THE COOLDOWN DOESN;T START TILL AFTER THE DAMAGE BONUS IS OVER.
An you only turn "invisible" on you and your teams screens...all enemies can still see you. Period.
AR and Marksman? lasts longer to balance out the bonus. 70% of EVERY shot over 6+ seconds?!? thats a hell of a lot more than 90% for one or two shots.
like you can always stick your head out of cover and shoot things for the entire 6-7 secs duration...
With the instant full shields and full clip? yes, and i always do. Give me my Revenaunt and i'll mow mobs down like i'm a lawn mower and they're the grass.
i.e. Mob Lawn Mower
and what about the Turian's Marksman?
Increase fire rate damage AND accuracy, Phaeston is out of ammo before they turn around. (or before their body hits the ground)
yeah, if Primes/Ravagers/Nemesis/Rocket Troopers arent shooting at you, then you can enjoy the entire marksman's duration, its not like you can just "vanish", dodge some attacks with a jump or drain their shields with ED, still remain invis and almost immediately shoot back from different cover
also gn to you aswell
Immortal Strife wrote...
Atheosis wrote...
Cyonan wrote...
They're a powerful class. You could give a character nothing but Tactical Cloak and it would still be a great character.
Though I don't get why this is a recent thing that everyone and their mother is calling for an Infiltrator nerf, since Tactical Cloak has been around in its' current version since launch(Other than a few bugs showing up which hurts the ability).
People have talked about it being overpowerd many times sinvce the beta. But BW never nerfed it so I think most people just shrugged and accepted it was never going to be nerfed even though it needed it. Then the Krysae came out and everything went crazy. TC damage on single targets might be a bit OPed but when it starts applying to a bazooka things just get silly.
Agreed. That is why Bioware stated that they are looking into changing the Krysae. No word on TC, and I don't expect one anytime soon.
heybigmoney wrote...
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
Mozts wrote...
The cooldown starts as soon as cloak is deactivated. But gives you 1.5s 90% bonus damage so you don't feel sad.
If you cloak and move enemies lose track of you. Period.
AR last longer, but you can't use power and recharge times only starts after the duration is over. Lets say you are carrying a Claymore X with Human Soldier speced for weapon damage. AR is only usable every 10 seconds.
Meanwhile in OP-land: Cloak is a spamable power and does more weapon damage, more power damage, more melee damage. Only thing it does not is increase your shields and DR. But enemies melee you in melee range, so its balanced...
Unreal.
The damage bonus TC gives is gone as soon as its broken.
You cloak and they lose you? ARE YOU KIDDING?!? when was the last time you USED and infil? i cloaked 40 minutes ago and the trooper not only STARED shooting at me whn i came around a corner, but he started FOLLOWING me.
And the last thing? its not about them meleeing you. its them SEEING you and being ABLE to melee you when they shouldn't be able to SEE you. You can't melee a cloaked hunter can you? No.
Cloak's dmg bonus lasts for roughly 2 secs after cloak is broken. Which means you can shoot, spam a power, and shoot again. 3 attacks with incredibly high dmg bonuses. As soon as you reload cloak is ready to be used again.
You can't think of the cloak's dump aggro purely from your own point of view. Enemies will still attack you while cloaked at times so its not an invicibility button. The problem is that enemies don't prioritize killing you over other classes without tactical cloak.
Modifié par Immortal Strife, 07 juin 2012 - 06:43 .
heybigmoney wrote...
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
Mozts wrote...
The cooldown starts as soon as cloak is deactivated. But gives you 1.5s 90% bonus damage so you don't feel sad.
If you cloak and move enemies lose track of you. Period.
AR last longer, but you can't use power and recharge times only starts after the duration is over. Lets say you are carrying a Claymore X with Human Soldier speced for weapon damage. AR is only usable every 10 seconds.
Meanwhile in OP-land: Cloak is a spamable power and does more weapon damage, more power damage, more melee damage. Only thing it does not is increase your shields and DR. But enemies melee you in melee range, so its balanced...
Unreal.
The damage bonus TC gives is gone as soon as its broken.
You cloak and they lose you? ARE YOU KIDDING?!? when was the last time you USED and infil? i cloaked 40 minutes ago and the trooper not only STARED shooting at me whn i came around a corner, but he started FOLLOWING me.
And the last thing? its not about them meleeing you. its them SEEING you and being ABLE to melee you when they shouldn't be able to SEE you. You can't melee a cloaked hunter can you? No.
Cloak's dmg bonus lasts for roughly 2 secs after cloak is broken. Which means you can shoot, spam a power, and shoot again. 3 attacks with incredibly high dmg bonuses. As soon as you reload cloak is ready to be used again.
You can't think of the cloak's dump aggro purely from your own point of view. Enemies will still attack you while cloaked at times so its not an invicibility button. The problem is that enemies don't prioritize killing you over other classes without tactical cloak.
Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 07 juin 2012 - 06:44 .
Drasynd wrote...
Nerf this, nerf that.
How about if BW just maker class based WEAPON LIMITATION.
NO sniping vanguards or adepts.
Atheosis wrote...
Immortal Strife wrote...
Atheosis wrote...
Cyonan wrote...
They're a powerful class. You could give a character nothing but Tactical Cloak and it would still be a great character.
Though I don't get why this is a recent thing that everyone and their mother is calling for an Infiltrator nerf, since Tactical Cloak has been around in its' current version since launch(Other than a few bugs showing up which hurts the ability).
People have talked about it being overpowerd many times sinvce the beta. But BW never nerfed it so I think most people just shrugged and accepted it was never going to be nerfed even though it needed it. Then the Krysae came out and everything went crazy. TC damage on single targets might be a bit OPed but when it starts applying to a bazooka things just get silly.
Agreed. That is why Bioware stated that they are looking into changing the Krysae. No word on TC, and I don't expect one anytime soon.
Yet another example of their utterly clueless approach to game balance. Nerf a weapon that is only slighly overpowered on other classes while being massively overpowered on one, making it worthless on other classes and slightly overpowered on just one instead. Brilliant.
Really I am so tired of weapon balance being so tied up in the power level of one class. It's bull**** to be honest.
Atheosis wrote...
Immortal Strife wrote...
Atheosis wrote...
Cyonan wrote...
They're a powerful class. You could give a character nothing but Tactical Cloak and it would still be a great character.
Though I don't get why this is a recent thing that everyone and their mother is calling for an Infiltrator nerf, since Tactical Cloak has been around in its' current version since launch(Other than a few bugs showing up which hurts the ability).
People have talked about it being overpowerd many times sinvce the beta. But BW never nerfed it so I think most people just shrugged and accepted it was never going to be nerfed even though it needed it. Then the Krysae came out and everything went crazy. TC damage on single targets might be a bit OPed but when it starts applying to a bazooka things just get silly.
Agreed. That is why Bioware stated that they are looking into changing the Krysae. No word on TC, and I don't expect one anytime soon.
Yet another example of their utterly clueless approach to game balance. Nerf a weapon that is only slighly overpowered on other classes while being massively overpowered on one, making it worthless on other classes and slightly overpowered on just one instead. Brilliant.
Really I am so tired of weapon balance being so tied up in the power level of one class. It's bull**** to be honest.
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
The bonus ENDS as soon as cloak is broken. You shoot and its gone.
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