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[Jeffry]

Atheosis wrote...

Yet another example of their utterly clueless approach to game balance.  Nerf a weapon that is only slighly overpowered on other classes while being massively overpowered on one, making it worthless on other classes and slightly overpowered on just one instead.  Brilliant.  

Really I am so tired of weapon balance being so tied up in the power level of one class.  It's bull**** to be honest.

yeah, pretty much this, it would still be the best wpn for Infs atm, but useless for anyone else

[gilgamesh v9]

wow this thread is still on the 1st page even after i went to bed and woke up 9 hour later? sweet.

not so glad of all the flames everywhere though...

[gilgamesh v9]

So from look of things anti-Infiltrators dislike Tac Cloak and the Krysae. And pro-Infiltrators dislike that the Kyrsae made their class look OP...

Nerf Kyrsae. Maybe TC just a little tiny bit

[Yajuu Omoi]

gilgamesh v9 wrote...

So from look of things anti-Infiltrators dislike Tac Cloak and the Krysae. And pro-Infiltrators dislike that the Kyrsae made their class look OP...

Nerf Kyrsae. Maybe TC just a little tiny bit

YES!!...depending on what the TC nerf is...
...change the ALL dmg bonus to WEAPON dmg bonus?

[Yajuu Omoi]

 

[NathanW18]

People have only just started to ask for infiltrator nerfs. They're pretty much better than all of the other classes, but most people didn't see to have an issue with it.

It's the new DLC weapons that are causing problems, I think.

[Jeffry]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

YES!!...depending on what the TC nerf is...
...change the ALL dmg bonus to WEAPON dmg bonus?

by nerfing the Krysae you accomplish absolutely nothing, it would still be the top wpn for Infs, but it would be totally useless for anyone else, what an awesome way to balance things )

also changing all dmg bonus to wpn only dmg bonus alone wouldnt help, some balance can be brought by multiple changes at once, boost the sniper dmg bonus of rank 6 evo to say 50%, nerf rank 1 and 4 by 10% each and make rank 4 wpn dmg bonus only and on top of that move the Krysae into assault rifles category (with built-in scope), so you would get +40% to all dmg / +70% to wpn dmg / +120% to sniper rifles dmg, or does that seem too harsh to you as well? I get it that you love the inf class, so do I, its my 2nd most played class, but honestly, even if you love it, you have to admit its a bit OP in comparison to all other pure dmg classes... or you can just pretend that all the chars have their purpose (which they do and inf is not the only dmg dealer out there) and that infs purpose is simply to be the best (the best at ressing, objectives capping, staying alive and doing dps, so those things that really matter) )

and I hope you mean "nerf all the things" as a joke, because otherwise its a wonderful case of attacking a straw man

Modifié par Jeffry, 07 juin 2012 - 05:09 .

[cuzIMgood]

I've been calling for an infiltrator nerf since the demo. By far the best standalone class in the game.

[Zhuinden]

Lynx7725 wrote...

Jeffry wrote...
its a recent thing because of the krysae, its not the wpn itself that is overpowered (mb a little bit), but the synergy with TC is devastating and srsly OP

Hey, I saw a Vorcha yesterday with a Krysae who dominated my game. Should we nerf the Vorcha then?

(J/k. Not advocating a nerf on the Vorcha. The Krysae is bad for teamwork, so should be tweaked.. probably reduced damage, reduced AOE. It's not a bad rifle per se, just bad for teamwork -- people can snooze on the job with someone else humping this rifle.)

Did you even use this gun? If you nerfed its AOE, it wouldn't hit anything. It barely hits anything as it is.

[capn233]

Zhuinden wrote...
Did you even use this gun? If you nerfed its AOE, it wouldn't hit anything. It barely hits anything as it is.

That is not my experience.  You can hit things behind cover and around corners relatively easy.  In fact, if you aim at the ground you hit them much easier than even bothering to aim at the target.

Infiltrator is indeed the best class to play without teamwork.  That in and of itself isn't a cause for nerf.  Indeed there should be a class that is best to play as a lone wolf and it makes sense that it should be infiltrator.

It could use a mild DPS adjustment down, which you would get from modifying the general purpose damage bonus of TC, both base and Rank 4, slightly.  You could also change base minimum CD very slightly.  Going all in weight based cooldown would make the class pretty subpar except as an objective capper.... and since everyone that is playing actual support classes now is complaining about not killing as fast as combat classes, I shudder to think how much whining we would hear if infiltrator became a medic and objective capper that can fire a single powerful shot every 6-10 seconds.

[Chaoswind]

Krysae AoE is good and balanced, it only needs 2 changes:

Damage progression needs to be nerfed, same damage at level 1, but only boost it slightly with each upgrade.

Air burst is too cheap, I can shot over/side cover, and I will hit my target 100% of the time, air burst needs to be gone.

[IAMREALITY]

Only a very limited shortsighted few are barking about it, due to being butthurt and bitter in one way or another. By a huge majority the infiltrator is considered to be just fine and something people are appreciative of. Don't worry about the bitters. They are few and quite predictable.

Modifié par IAMREALITY, 07 juin 2012 - 05:54 .

[CmnDwnWrkn]

The problem with Infiltrator is that it encourages weak, cowardly play. Here, let me hide in a corner while invisible, destroying enemies across the map while I use my teammates to set up kills for me. Let them risk getting killed, while I get all the glory. Can't ever let an enemy get close to ME, though. That's way too scary. I don't want my pretty face getting so much as a scratch.

[InfamousResult]

IAMREALITY wrote...

Only a very limited shortsighted few are barking about it, due to being butthurt and bitter in one way or another. By a huge majority the infiltrator is considered to be just fine and something people are appreciative of. Don't worry about the bitters. They are few and quite predictable.

The only consolation for how wrong this post is, is that this guy probably won't be around to make any more posts like it for very long with how often he's insulting people and flamebaiting.

Modifié par InfamousResult, 07 juin 2012 - 05:58 .

[IAMREALITY]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

The problem with Infiltrator is that it encourages weak, cowardly play. Here, let me hide in a corner while invisible, destroying enemies across the map while I use my teammates to set up kills for me. Let them risk getting killed, while I get all the glory. Can't ever let an enemy get close to ME, though. That's way too scary. I don't want my pretty face getting so much as a scratch.

This is a gross misrepresentation of infiltrators. 99% of them are not like that. Your characterization of them is beyond ridiculous and lacks any credibility whatsoever.

[InfamousResult]

IAMREALITY wrote...

This is a gross misrepresentation of infiltrators. 99% of them are not like that. Your characterization of them is beyond ridiculous and lacks any credibility whatsoever.

Really?

And where'd you get that statistic, I wonder? A very credible source, I'm sure.

[Kataigida]

It's just like the GPS...some new stuff has come out that makes the Infiltrators seem 'even better' so everyone gets annoyed that they're getting outscored and cry out for nerfs.

[Jeffry]

also separating the "Assassination" part from Tactical Cloak that someone mentioned here and make it a new power (probably instead of mines) was an excellent idea, the Inf would still be able to sneak around enemies and cap objectives or res team mates and still be able to shoot things with dmg bonuses, but one would have to choose which one to use and when (so one would have to actually think when playing an inf)

Modifié par Jeffry, 07 juin 2012 - 06:07 .

[Atheosis]

gilgamesh v9 wrote...

So from look of things anti-Infiltrators dislike Tac Cloak and the Krysae. And pro-Infiltrators dislike that the Kyrsae made their class look OP...

Nerf Kyrsae. Maybe TC just a little tiny bit

I am 100% pro-Infiltrator.  That's why I want a nerf to Tactical Cloak.  Because right now I don't want to play them as they are EASY MODE.

[molecularman]

Kataigida wrote...

It's just like the GPS...some new stuff has come out that makes the Infiltrators seem 'even better' so everyone gets annoyed that they're getting outscored and cry out for nerfs.

Looks like somebody is annoyed because he thinks he couldn't outscore people after an infiltrator nerf.

[Atheosis]

molecularman wrote...

Kataigida wrote...

It's just like the GPS...some new stuff has come out that makes the Infiltrators seem 'even better' so everyone gets annoyed that they're getting outscored and cry out for nerfs.

Looks like somebody is annoyed because he thinks he couldn't outscore people after an infiltrator nerf.

I think that describes most of the people who are so adamantly set against any TC nerf.  They love their overpowered class because it makes them feel like they are better players than they actually are, therefore a balanced Infiltrator is an idea that horrifies them.

[molecularman]

Atheosis wrote...

molecularman wrote...

Kataigida wrote...

It's just like the GPS...some new stuff has come out that makes the Infiltrators seem 'even better' so everyone gets annoyed that they're getting outscored and cry out for nerfs.

Looks like somebody is annoyed because he thinks he couldn't outscore people after an infiltrator nerf.

I think that describes most of the people who are so adamantly set against any TC nerf.  They love their overpowered class because it makes them feel like they are better players than they actually are, therefore a balanced Infiltrator is an idea that horrifies them.

Pretty much. Most anti-nerf people can't even be bothered to pretend infiltrators don't (more or less) overpower other classes, they just say "so what" and screw game balance altogether. Next thing, you gotta argue with them why balance is needed.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Jeffry wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

YES!!...depending on what the TC nerf is...
...change the ALL dmg bonus to WEAPON dmg bonus?

by nerfing the Krysae you accomplish absolutely nothing, it would still be the top wpn for Infs, but it would be totally useless for anyone else, what an awesome way to balance things )

also changing all dmg bonus to wpn only dmg bonus alone wouldnt help, some balance can be brought by multiple changes at once, boost the sniper dmg bonus of rank 6 evo to say 50%, nerf rank 1 and 4 by 10% each and make rank 4 wpn dmg bonus only and on top of that move the Krysae into assault rifles category (with built-in scope), so you would get +40% to all dmg / +70% to wpn dmg / +120% to sniper rifles dmg, or does that seem too harsh to you as well? I get it that you love the inf class, so do I, its my 2nd most played class, but honestly, even if you love it, you have to admit its a bit OP in comparison to all other pure dmg classes... or you can just pretend that all the chars have their purpose (which they do and inf is not the only dmg dealer out there) and that infs purpose is simply to be the best (the best at ressing, objectives capping, staying alive and doing dps, so those things that really matter) )

and I hope you mean "nerf all the things" as a joke, because otherwise its a wonderful case of attacking a straw man

First of all, I've already stated they should change the Krysae into an assault rifle, and that they would need to drop the dmg slightly. Because if it were an assault rifle it would gain the AR and marksman bonus's which wouls still make it OP. not a BIG drop in dmg, maybe even just decrease the AoE, or remove the fact that it ignores shield gate...

And Second...the Infil and the soldier are the ONLY classes that focus on their weapons. Infils boost single shots for single target damage. and soldiers focus on multiple targets, mowing the lawn per say.

all other classes focus on thier powers or they support. they don;t focus on weapon damage.

Adept and vanguard, more about their powers. Engineer, tech and support, Sentinel? they're like a psudo verson of all classes, just depends on their build and weapon. SOME builds focus on weapons, but other builds focus on powers...they're the flexible class.


And yes, the "nerf all the things" bit was a joke. its just pointing out that we nerf one thing...then nerf another...and another...till all things have been nerfed...then the cycle repeats.

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 08 juin 2012 - 05:07 .

[Yajuu Omoi]

molecularman wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

molecularman wrote...

Kataigida wrote...

It's just like the GPS...some new stuff has come out that makes the Infiltrators seem 'even better' so everyone gets annoyed that they're getting outscored and cry out for nerfs.

Looks like somebody is annoyed because he thinks he couldn't outscore people after an infiltrator nerf.

I think that describes most of the people who are so adamantly set against any TC nerf.  They love their overpowered class because it makes them feel like they are better players than they actually are, therefore a balanced Infiltrator is an idea that horrifies them.

Pretty much. Most anti-nerf people can't even be bothered to pretend infiltrators don't (more or less) overpower other classes, they just say "so what" and screw game balance altogether. Next thing, you gotta argue with them why balance is needed.

Hold on...thats not all of us.

I have no problem with being outscored on a meaningless scoreboard. it just means i get my credits faster!
But a nerf that is NOT needed and would make a class FAR more lacking than it already is?
THAT is why i'm against it.

the current issues aren't caused by TC, it hasn't changed since day 1. Its the new DLC Krysae, its an OP sniper.

If it wasn't a sniper...it wouldn't be nearly as OP.

[Yajuu Omoi]

InfamousResult wrote...

IAMREALITY wrote...

This is a gross misrepresentation of infiltrators. 99% of them are not like that. Your characterization of them is beyond ridiculous and lacks any credibility whatsoever.

Really?

And where'd you get that statistic, I wonder? A very credible source, I'm sure.

Try every ACTUAL Infiltrator player that know what they're doing.

We Revive you when you charge in like an idiot. Take out the bosses that you run away from screaming. and activate/deactivate/capture the random 4 odjectives.

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 08 juin 2012 - 05:15 .