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[Sdrol117]

avenged100fold wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

Peacemaker_ic wrote...

its a semi-auto isn't it? i am a crap shot with those sorts of guns (SR included). what sort of firing rate does it have? i got it but haven't used it yet.

It's got a slow firing rate, but I believe it's slightly faster than the carnifex, and it has a lot more shots (14 with the mod). 

Actually, slightly slower. Still out dps's it, though! Paladin out dps's saber, though, and is better for people who want cool downs. 

Just in case you want sauce, here's the obligatory URL of the spreadsheet that most already know about...
https://docs.google....bWc&output=html

Nope, I was wrong! Sorry for spreading misinformation. been a while since I used the carnifex.Thanks for the spreadsheet!

[Peacemaker_ic]

avenged100fold wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

Peacemaker_ic wrote...

its a semi-auto isn't it? i am a crap shot with those sorts of guns (SR included). what sort of firing rate does it have? i got it but haven't used it yet.

It's got a slow firing rate, but I believe it's slightly faster than the carnifex, and it has a lot more shots (14 with the mod). 

Actually, slightly slower. Still out dps's it, though! Paladin out dps's saber, though, and is better for people who want cool downs. 

Just in case you want sauce, here's the obligatory URL of the spreadsheet that most already know about...
https://docs.google....bWc&output=html

thanks for that. second slowest firing AR. don't think its for me. i like my harrier III even with its ammo and stability issues

Modifié par Peacemaker_ic, 07 juin 2012 - 05:32 .

[Sdrol117]

VioletEagle wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

VioletEagle wrote...

I have Saber IV, but Claymore is still better.

/facepalm

I'm serious.

They aren't even comparable in the slightest. 

[Red the Aloof]

Use the targeting VI and watch heads explode

Modifié par Red the Aloof, 07 juin 2012 - 05:37 .

[Peacemaker_ic]

Red the Aloof wrote...

Use the targeting VI and what heads explode

try it with any accurate AR and armour peircing mod. so fun especially with gaurdians!

Modifié par Peacemaker_ic, 07 juin 2012 - 05:38 .

[DJepic112]

It's way too weak for how heavy and rare it is. I thought it would be an upgrade to the Mattock but it shoots weak bullets at the same rate as a Falcon.

[VioletEagle]

@sdroll117
If I had a Saber X vs a Claymore I, I would still pick the Claymore. I love how you're saying they're not comparable when you're comparing the Carnifex, Paladin, and Saber.

[Red the Aloof]

Peacemaker_ic wrote...

Red the Aloof wrote...

Use the targeting VI and what heads explode

try it with any accurate AR and armour peircing mod. so fun especially with gaurdians!

I know! Too much fun, especially against Cerb.

Feel little bad about the guardians. I think they should get a buff, because they are just freebies

[DaoFerret]

DJepic112 wrote...

It's way too weak for how heavy and rare it is. I thought it would be an upgrade to the Mattock but it shoots weak bullets at the same rate as a Falcon.

Really? My MQE likes my Sabre V.  Speced 6/3/5/6/6 he's a Q Marine 

[Sdrol117]

VioletEagle wrote...

@sdroll117
If I had a Saber X vs a Claymore I, I would still pick the Claymore. I love how you're saying they're not comparable when you're comparing the Carnifex, Paladin, and Saber.

Which all actually work exactly the same and are comparable...Are you trying to troll? Or just trying to look dumb?

[Sdrol117]

DaoFerret wrote...

DJepic112 wrote...

It's way too weak for how heavy and rare it is. I thought it would be an upgrade to the Mattock but it shoots weak bullets at the same rate as a Falcon.

Really? My MQE likes my Sabre V.  Speced 6/3/5/6/6 he's a Q Marine 

The Mattock is garbage for the simple fact you need to spam your trigger finger until it falls off to hit it's best DPS, and if you dont spam you're hitting low damage. TheMattock isn't very good unless you don't mind attacking your controller. And it's 10x the man the Mattock will ever be. 

[VioletEagle]

Sdrol117 wrote...

VioletEagle wrote...

@sdroll117
If I had a Saber X vs a Claymore I, I would still pick the Claymore. I love how you're saying they're not comparable when you're comparing the Carnifex, Paladin, and Saber.

Which all actually work exactly the same and are comparable...Are you trying to troll? Or just trying to look dumb?

I don't see your point in saying they aren't comparable, please tell me how they aren't comparable.

[Sdrol117]

VioletEagle wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

VioletEagle wrote...

@sdroll117
If I had a Saber X vs a Claymore I, I would still pick the Claymore. I love how you're saying they're not comparable when you're comparing the Carnifex, Paladin, and Saber.

Which all actually work exactly the same and are comparable...Are you trying to troll? Or just trying to look dumb?

I don't see your point in saying they aren't comparable, please tell me how they aren't comparable.

Saber: Semi-automatic, long range, multiple bullets in one clip, slow RoF, shoots a single bullet, highly accurate, basically an assault rifle sniper.

Claymore: Close range shotgun, one shot in clip, shoots a spread of bullets, not very accurate unless super close so all the pellets hit, doesnt even have the same mechanics. 

Paladin/Carnifex: Multiple bullets in the clip, slow RoF, made for long range, basically meant for pistol sniping, shoots one bullet, highly accurate, semi auto. Basically a Saber in pistol form. 

The only shotgun you can be comparing the Saber to is the Crusader. 


Would you like to compare the Hurricane to the Black Widow now?

Modifié par Sdrol117, 07 juin 2012 - 05:53 .

[VioletEagle]

1. Claymore is not a close range gun
2. I have both the Hurricane and Black Widow and still prefer Claymore even if I could carry both with a higher CD
3. I have the Crusader III and don't use it because the Claymore is still better.

The Saber and Claymore can still be compared because they're the highest damaging weapons in their category.

Modifié par VioletEagle, 07 juin 2012 - 06:04 .

[Sdrol117]

VioletEagle wrote...

1. Claymore is not a close range gun
2. I have both te Hurricane and Black Widow and still prefer Claymore even if I could carry both with a higher CD
3. I have the Crusader III and don't use it because the Claymore is still better.

The Saber and Claymore can still be compared because they're the highest damaging weapons in their category.

1. Yes it is, it quickly loses effectiveness the farther you are, and it can't snipe at ALL like the paladin/carni/saber.
2. Thats your opinion and has no place in this discussion.
3. While I agree, it's just because I think that a snipershotgun is garbage.  The gun itself is good. 

And 4. So what, let's compare the disciple and the locust now? Your logic is extremely flawed. 


Edit: Even better, let's compare the javelin and the Hornet! I believe the hornet is the hardest hitting SMG....

Modifié par Sdrol117, 07 juin 2012 - 06:08 .

[Omnifarious Nef]

Sdrol117 wrote...

VioletEagle wrote...

1. Claymore is not a close range gun
2. I have both te Hurricane and Black Widow and still prefer Claymore even if I could carry both with a higher CD
3. I have the Crusader III and don't use it because the Claymore is still better.

The Saber and Claymore can still be compared because they're the highest damaging weapons in their category.

1. Yes it is, it quickly loses effectiveness the farther you are, and it can't snipe at ALL like the paladin/carni/saber.
2. Thats your opinion and has no place in this discussion.
3. While I agree, it's just because I think that a snipershotgun is garbage.  The gun itself is good. 

And 4. So what, let's compare the disciple and the locust now? Your logic is extremely flawed. 

Actually, I've had no problem one shotting just about any non boss enemy from across the map with the Claymore, it's also the only gun I score 170-200k with in a four man squad, a squad of which at least one other member has 100k.

Edit: Oh, and if you want proof, Just ask milkAcat, he played a few matches with me the other day in a PUG, he got at least 100k each match.

Modifié par NeferiusX3, 07 juin 2012 - 06:10 .

[Sdrol117]

NeferiusX3 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

VioletEagle wrote...

1. Claymore is not a close range gun
2. I have both te Hurricane and Black Widow and still prefer Claymore even if I could carry both with a higher CD
3. I have the Crusader III and don't use it because the Claymore is still better.

The Saber and Claymore can still be compared because they're the highest damaging weapons in their category.

1. Yes it is, it quickly loses effectiveness the farther you are, and it can't snipe at ALL like the paladin/carni/saber.
2. Thats your opinion and has no place in this discussion.
3. While I agree, it's just because I think that a snipershotgun is garbage.  The gun itself is good. 

And 4. So what, let's compare the disciple and the locust now? Your logic is extremely flawed. 

Actually, I've had no problem one shotting just about any non boss enemy from across the map with the Claymore, it's also the only gun I score 170-200k with in a four man squad, a squad of which at least one other member has 100k.

Edit: Oh, and if you want proof, Just ask milkAcat, he played a few matches with me the other day in a PUG, he got at least 100k each match.

I could care less about your leet scores. I've used the claymore, and I definitely feel your "across the map" is highly exaggerated. I'm gonna go use it. And either way, his point on comparing the two is still moot, they aren't alike at all, unlike the carni which is the same gun in smaller form.

[VioletEagle]

1. Tell me why I can snipe with people from the control room to the extraction area on FB Giant.
2. You brought it up.
3. "That's your opinion and has no place in this discussion."
4. Claymore has nearly 2x the DPS, your argument is invalid.

Edit: Thank you Neferius for agreeing with me.

Modifié par VioletEagle, 07 juin 2012 - 06:15 .

[Sdrol117]

VioletEagle wrote...

1. Tell me why I can snipe with people from the control room to the extraction area on FB Giant.
2. You brought it up.
3. "That's your opinion and has no place in this discussion."
4. Claymore has nearly 2x the DPS, your argument is invalid.

You fail at arguing or forming any sorts of discussion, besides how maybe the claymore always one shots everything from across the map, which Im gonna go test. Everything else you have said was BS, not proof of any sort of counter argument, and made you look like a fool looking for a internet fight.

[Omnifarious Nef]

Sdrol117 wrote...

NeferiusX3 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

VioletEagle wrote...

1. Claymore is not a close range gun
2. I have both te Hurricane and Black Widow and still prefer Claymore even if I could carry both with a higher CD
3. I have the Crusader III and don't use it because the Claymore is still better.

The Saber and Claymore can still be compared because they're the highest damaging weapons in their category.

1. Yes it is, it quickly loses effectiveness the farther you are, and it can't snipe at ALL like the paladin/carni/saber.
2. Thats your opinion and has no place in this discussion.
3. While I agree, it's just because I think that a snipershotgun is garbage.  The gun itself is good. 

And 4. So what, let's compare the disciple and the locust now? Your logic is extremely flawed. 

Actually, I've had no problem one shotting just about any non boss enemy from across the map with the Claymore, it's also the only gun I score 170-200k with in a four man squad, a squad of which at least one other member has 100k.

Edit: Oh, and if you want proof, Just ask milkAcat, he played a few matches with me the other day in a PUG, he got at least 100k each match.

I could care less about your leet scores. I've used the claymore, and I definitely feel your "across the map" is highly exaggerated. I'm gonna go use it. And either way, his point on comparing the two is still moot, they aren't alike at all, unlike the carni which is the same gun in smaller form.

Leet scores? I was merely showing it's effectiveness you seem to not want to believe. And no, that is not "Highly exaggerated. GI, equip the Choke. Cloak, Stand at the top room of Giant, and you can one shot the enemys as they leave the room from the right side opposite of the spawn.

[VioletEagle]

I'm saying that the Claymore is better than the Saber.

Tell me why Zhhk always uses it in his speedruns?

Modifié par VioletEagle, 07 juin 2012 - 06:18 .

[Omnifarious Nef]

VioletEagle wrote...

1. Tell me why I can snipe with people from the control room to the extraction area on FB Giant.
2. You brought it up.
3. "That's your opinion and has no place in this discussion."
4. Claymore has nearly 2x the DPS, your argument is invalid.

Edit: Thank you Neferius for agreeing with me.

Wow! You mentioned the same area as me for the range test!

[Sdrol117]

NeferiusX3 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

NeferiusX3 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

VioletEagle wrote...

1. Claymore is not a close range gun
2. I have both te Hurricane and Black Widow and still prefer Claymore even if I could carry both with a higher CD
3. I have the Crusader III and don't use it because the Claymore is still better.

The Saber and Claymore can still be compared because they're the highest damaging weapons in their category.

1. Yes it is, it quickly loses effectiveness the farther you are, and it can't snipe at ALL like the paladin/carni/saber.
2. Thats your opinion and has no place in this discussion.
3. While I agree, it's just because I think that a snipershotgun is garbage.  The gun itself is good. 

And 4. So what, let's compare the disciple and the locust now? Your logic is extremely flawed. 

Actually, I've had no problem one shotting just about any non boss enemy from across the map with the Claymore, it's also the only gun I score 170-200k with in a four man squad, a squad of which at least one other member has 100k.

Edit: Oh, and if you want proof, Just ask milkAcat, he played a few matches with me the other day in a PUG, he got at least 100k each match.

I could care less about your leet scores. I've used the claymore, and I definitely feel your "across the map" is highly exaggerated. I'm gonna go use it. And either way, his point on comparing the two is still moot, they aren't alike at all, unlike the carni which is the same gun in smaller form.

Leet scores? I was merely showing it's effectiveness you seem to not want to believe. And no, that is not "Highly exaggerated. GI, equip the Choke. Cloak, Stand at the top room of Giant, and you can one shot the enemys as they leave the room from the right side opposite of the spawn.

Lol, oh you need tac cloak and choke to make that happen. I see the issue now. And I never said it wasnt effective....its almost like you didnt read the thread.Not once have I ever said the claymore isnt a good gun. I said there is no comparison between the claymore and the saber, they are two entirely different weapon types and dont work at all the same.

[grayfoxwins]

It makes most sense to compare it to the high-end heavy pistols because of things like semi-automatic, rate-of-fire, dps, etc. I consider it a great weapon in the hands of a soldier or a sentinel. While technically not as much dps as the Paladin, it is better for longer duration fights with bosses because 8 shots in the clip is better than 3. On a HS, you get 16 shots w/o reload.

Plus, it's headshot city with this thing.

[VioletEagle]

NeferiusX3 wrote...

VioletEagle wrote...

1. Tell me why I can snipe with people from the control room to the extraction area on FB Giant.
2. You brought it up.
3. "That's your opinion and has no place in this discussion."
4. Claymore has nearly 2x the DPS, your argument is invalid.

Edit: Thank you Neferius for agreeing with me.

Wow! You mentioned the same area as me for the range test!

And sadly he doesn't agree with us. Every experienced Gold player uses it.