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[ABjerre]

Eric Fagnan wrote...
We are looking at the Krysae balance closely and will probably have some changes for it soon.

Dear Bioware,

As I write to you, I am sertain that the above statement is merely to silent the horde of kids on the forums being very vocal about something not being to their taste. However, just to make sure that the changes mentioned in the quote will never come to pass, lets take a look at what is actually happening.

There is an active player base of ~430.000 on PC, and I'll assume that there are just as many on the consoles, making it a total of ~1.200.000 active multiplayers. Out of all of these people, a rough estimate of no more than a hundred (100) has voiced their negative oppinions about the Krysae. To rule out any doubt, lets say that a thousand (1000) people have. These people represent less than 0,1% (more likely to be closer to 0,01%) of the playerbase.

Please BioWare, do not mistake the tears of 0,1% of the player base to be representative for the remaining 99,9%. The main reason you do not have 1 million players posting in the forums being angry with the Krysae may very well be that they generally like it. It is just that satisfied people are not very vocal about it. You will only show that the ones yelling the loudest get their way.

Furthermore, history shows that caving in to the demands of the segment popluarly labeled as "the nerfers" will accomplish nothing, as their lust for nerfs is indeed insatiable. After the Krysae, they will find something else and after that something else again untill the beautyfull creation that is Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer has been twisted into an abomination that suits the 0,1% of the playerbase just fine, while the remaining 99,9% have found something else to do with their time.

Kind regards,

ABjerre

Some people here seem to have completely missed my point. You can not possibly comprehend the immensity of the **** i dont give about the Krysae. I'm topping charts with it yes, but i was very much doing that too with my Valiant before that, and my Black Widow even before that. And my GPS, my Sabre and my Carfinex, you name it.

My main concern is that BioWare may start actually doing what people on the forum are yelling for, i just picked the Krysae as it seems to be a hot topic at the moment.

And no, I'm not forcing my oppinion on anyone, I'll agree that the initial wording was clumsy and I've changed it, but my point still stands: Noone knows what the 99,9% of so far silent players think, so my plea is that BioWare doesn't make desicions based on the voice of 0,1% of the player base.

Modifié par ABjerre, 07 juin 2012 - 12:31 .

[Rick__D]

Its the vocal minority. Content people are quiet.

[Kick In The Door]

I couldn't care less about the Krysae. But the drama if they do nerf it will be absolutely exquisite, I look forward to next week's episode.

Modifié par Kick In The Door, 07 juin 2012 - 12:00 .

[Astartes Marine]

I wonder how much griping there would be if the Krysae was an ultra-rare instead of just a rare.

I think the thing itself is either overpowered or the rest of the arsenal is underpowered. I'm leaning towards underpowered.

[count_4]

Hello there, whiney kid crying about nerfers. (edit: This was a reference to the original thread title which has been changed meanwhile.)

ABjerre wrote...
The main reason you do not have 1 million players posting in the forums being angry with the Krysae is that they generally like it.

This sentence already disqualifies you from this discussion. Go whine somewhere else.

Modifié par count_4, 07 juin 2012 - 12:23 .

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

While I agree with you, I think you are likely to receive a smash courtesy of a certain individual whose last name is 'Abram' over the thread title.

Modifié par Olaf_de_IJsbeer, 07 juin 2012 - 12:02 .

[Frost Spectre]

Only things Krysae needs is to actually use the charging as to pump up the damage, removal of proximity explosion and "sniper rifle hip fire debuff" which is on every other sniper rifle.

[Chealec]

count_4 wrote...

Hello there, whiney kid crying about nerfers.

ABjerre wrote...
The main reason you do not have 1 million players posting in the forums being angry with the Krysae is that they generally like it.

This sentence already disqualifies you from this discussion. Go whine somewhere else.

^ yup - maybe they should go take an exciting class in statistical analysis or something... his argument is a bit like saying "The main reason people don't give to animal charities is becuase they like drowning kittens".

[MrFuddyDuddy]

Hopefully its "rebalance" aka making another falcon wont be too bad just had a game on Condor vs Cereberus Gold had 197k when we extracted, 4 man team the whole time. Thing is just too fun to use and p.s. 2 of the randoms I was playing with also had the krysae out.

[ABjerre]

Olaf_de_IJsbeer wrote...

While I agree with you, I think you are likely to receive a smash courtesy of a certain individual whose last name is 'Abram' over the thread title.

I actually wrote *'s instead of the words. They mean nothing more than what people put into them. But yes, i may change it, if it attracts negative attention. Or too much of it anyway.

count_4 wrote...

Hello there, whiney kid crying about nerfers.

ABjerre wrote...
The
main reason you do not have 1 million players posting in the forums
being angry with the Krysae is that they generally like it.

This sentence already disqualifies you from this discussion. Go whine somewhere else.

Could you please elaborate? I am not complaining about anything, i am merely voicing my concern that BioWare will cave to the poeple that do complain.

Modifié par ABjerre, 07 juin 2012 - 12:08 .

[BoomDynamite]

Well, I agree, but this is gonna' get locked. I see you changed the title.

DON'T NERF THE KRYSAE!!!

Modifié par BoomDynamite, 07 juin 2012 - 12:11 .

[JShepppp]

Sample size is sample size. Surely enough people are here on BSN to verify your statement, otherwise Bioware should probably just go on the info they receive. Create a poll or something perhaps.

As for nerfers just wanting to nerf everything, that's a different case that we shouldn't really say stuff about. It's like saying ME fans wanting to change the ending shouldn't be listened to because then they'll find something else to complain about and so forth. That's dangerous talk.

[Fortack]

Yeah, lets just stop trying to improve the game coz that's silly and we might actually have to nerf something along the way. What about buffs? Are they allowed? But wait, if we buff one thing that means we're automatically nerfing the rest ...

[Serker31]

So, 99% of all players just can't exploit Krysae right; or find shooting from overpowered rocket launcher very cool and fitting; or just don't care about balance in game which they play one hour per day at best; or balance of sniper rifles in particular. And one percent of perfectionists who actually care about odd things like weapon and class balance. You can call them whiners, yeah. No offense taken.

[1337haxwtg]

I'm sick of moronic posts labeling us as "nerfers." We want BALANCE, NOT TO NERF EVERYTHING. There are plenty of things I want BUFFED. Here is a list off the top of my head:

Incinerate
Krogan / Batarian stun resistance
DV / CA / CV invincibility frames
Smash & Lash synergy & speed of use
Turian dodge
Eagle (still)
Crusader (recoil)
Javelin (shield gate / ammo capacity)
Incisor (recoil)
Viper (rate of fire)
Sentry Turret

etc etc

Modifié par 1337haxwtg, 07 juin 2012 - 12:10 .

[xabkish]

I'm glad they're looking into it. Anything is better than current Krysae.

I really hope there's a way to balance this gun without patching, certification and stuff. A way other than that used on Falcon. But I'm afraid the main reason of this gun being so stupid — proximity detonation, making it effectively select the enemy and click weapon, can not be fixed without patching.

[vivanto]

I'm curious as to where you pulled your numbers out of ... on second thought, better not.

[Atheosis]

The Krysae on non-Infiltrators is borderline overpowered (much like the GPS).

The Krysae on Infiltrators is absurdly broken.

Anyone who claims otherwise is nuts or is lying.

[MrFuddyDuddy]

While most will rebute nerfs, I'm sure they also see how much better it preforms copaired to everything else, and fear it will just end up turning into another Falcon. Have been preaching that all day lol I personally love the falcon but its only truely useful on a very small amount of classes

[Atheosis]

xabkish wrote...

I'm glad they're looking into it. Anything is better than current Krysae.

I really hope there's a way to balance this gun without patching, certification and stuff. A way other than that used on Falcon. But I'm afraid the main reason of this gun being so stupid — proximity detonation, making it effectively select the enemy and click weapon, can not be fixed without patching.

Yep.  The proximity detonation and large aoe are the real issues with the gun, but those seem unlikely to be fixed with weekly balance changes.

[mijames1]

1337haxwtg wrote...

I'm sick of moronic posts labeling us as "nerfers." We want BALANCE, NOT TO NERF EVERYTHING. There are plenty of things I want BUFFED. Here is a list off the top of my head:

Incinerate
Krogan / Batarian stun resistance
DV / CA / CV invincibility frames
Smash & Lash synergy & speed of use
Turian dodge
Eagle (still)
Crusader (recoil)
Javelin (shield gate / ammo capacity)
Incisor (recoil)
Viper (rate of fire)
Sentry Turret

etc etc

^^This

[Lynx7725]

Since when is Game Balance a popularity contest? Just because there are people yelling for stuff in the forums doesn't mean Bioware will take action on it.

Game Balance is not about pandering to a vocal group. Game Balance is about doing what it necessary to maintain a certain balance of various game parameters as determined by the game's architects.

Bioware collects game data for a reason. They might take a measurement of the Forum's opinion on a particular matter, but they still have to go back to the game data to see how exactly to tweak it.

So the theoretical 1,000,000 users have already spoken. They just spoke directly to Bioware, not us.

[ABjerre]

vivanto wrote...

I'm curious as to where you pulled your numbers out of ... on second thought, better not.

I took the leaderboards from PC multiplayer which is ~430.000 with an N7 above 1, meaning they have set foot in MP. Players with an N7 rating  5 or above, which is what you get when you finish your first match on Bronze is ~370.000, so it doesn't actually change a lot.

Lynx7725 wrote...
Since when is Game Balance a popularity
contest? Just because there are people yelling for stuff in the forums
doesn't mean Bioware will take action on it.

Game Balance is not
about pandering to a vocal group. Game Balance is about doing what it
necessary to maintain a certain balance of various game parameters as
determined by the game's architects.

Bioware collects game
data for a reason. They might take a measurement of the Forum's opinion
on a particular matter, but they still have to go back to the game data
to see how exactly to tweak it.

So the theoretical 1,000,000 users have already spoken. They just spoke directly to Bioware, not us.

I absolutely agree with you, and i very much hope that you are correct that BioWare only glances at forum voicings in these matters.

Regarding the term "popularity contest", there really is none. But from a companys side of the matter, it is generally a good rule of thumb when making changes to a product, to make the changes that the largest portion of the customer base likes.

Modifié par ABjerre, 07 juin 2012 - 12:19 .

[count_4]

ABjerre wrote...

Olaf_de_IJsbeer wrote...

While I agree with you, I think you are likely to receive a smash courtesy of a certain individual whose last name is 'Abram' over the thread title.

I actually wrote *'s instead of the words. They mean nothing more than what people put into them. But yes, i may change it, if it attracts negative attention. Or too much of it anyway.

count_4 wrote...

Hello there, whiney kid crying about nerfers.

ABjerre wrote...
The
main reason you do not have 1 million players posting in the forums
being angry with the Krysae is that they generally like it.

This sentence already disqualifies you from this discussion. Go whine somewhere else.

Could you please elaborate? I am not complaining about anything, i am merely voicing my concern that BioWare will cave to the poeple that do complain.

Chealec kinda already did so I'll just quote him here.
Regarding that specific sentence: Claiming to know how a million people feel and basically forcing your opinion onto them and claiming to be speaking in their name just makes you a pretentious douche. 
Same goes for (albeit indirectly) trying to tell BioWare how they are supposed to interpret their telemtric data about the Krysae and alleging they can't judge for themselves and need you to tell them what to do.

Anyway, quote.

Chealec wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Hello there, whiney kid crying about nerfers.

ABjerre wrote...
The main reason you do not have 1 million players posting in the forums being angry with the Krysae is that they generally like it.

This sentence already disqualifies you from this discussion. Go whine somewhere else.

^ yup - maybe they should go take an exciting class in statistical analysis or something... his argument is a bit like saying "The main reason people don't give to animal charities is becuase they like drowning kittens".

 


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Disclaimer: I'm not making a statement about the state of the Krysae(also I am in the 'slightly nerf it' faction) here. It's solely about the thread/OP itself.

Modifié par count_4, 07 juin 2012 - 12:20 .

[TheMightyG00sh]

There are three types of balance stands: "DON'T CHANGE IT!" "Please, please, please change it Bioware" and "I don't give a damn". The most vocal of these are the "Please, please, please change it BioWare". Most "I don't give a damn" advocate claim an inbalance in the weapon but not an overpowered aspects. They are also the quietest and as such there opinions are not heard, though some will agree a nerf isn't neccessary even if they don't care. I am a member of the "DON'T CHANGE IT!" faction. Threads about these are few and far between. We aren't against nerfing or buffing but we are against nerfing things that aren't OP. The "Nerf ALL the things" and "Buff ALL the things" memes are a popular tool used by us. Clearly the most outspoken group won...