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[Pitznik]

It doesn't matter if those who complain are minority or not, this is not democracy. Decision will be made by Bioware, and they can as well base it on minority's arguments, since majority isn't always right. The reason most of the ME players do not post on forums about Krysae being or not being OP is not they are happy with it, they're just not interested in posting at all.

To keep game balanced both ners and both are at times required, people shouldn't be so damn emotional about it.

[Calibisto]

*Sigh*
Bioware made changes to weapons/factions nobody asked for.
Cerebus spawn changes for silver
Atlas Sync Kill
Collector Rifle

BW reads out the data we send them and based on that they make changes.
And I mean the feedback option in the menu, not people on the forum
The only thing people here might achieve is for them to look closely at a certain thing.

If people suddenly start getting more than above average extractions while wielding the Krysae then BW might decide something is wrong.

It is all in the numbers.

[Apl_Juice]

Wow, that's a really mature, well-thought title you have there.

I also liked the part where you really consider both sides of the argument, instead of chastising and antagonizing your opposition.

[Rifneno]

I'm totally against nerfing it, and not because it's not OP, but because there's already so many other things that are just as OP which don't get nerfed. Nerfing the Krysae won't fix the game and leaving it as is won't ruin the game. Nerfing it significantly will, however, alienate casual players who are enjoying it.

[TehMerc]

TheMightyG00sh wrote...

There are three types of balance stands.....

Who have you conquered lately to be rewriting history?

[Rifneno]

TehMerc wrote...

TheMightyG00sh wrote...

There are three types of balance stands.....

Who have you conquered lately to be rewriting history?

France.

[1337haxwtg]

Rifneno wrote...

TehMerc wrote...

TheMightyG00sh wrote...

There are three types of balance stands.....

Who have you conquered lately to be rewriting history?

France.

That was easy! 

[TehMerc]

Rifneno wrote...

TehMerc wrote...

TheMightyG00sh wrote...

There are three types of balance stands.....

Who have you conquered lately to be rewriting history?

France.

Insert overused French surrender meme here.

They never count!

[deadpixel92]

Is not about the people liking or disliking the weapon, truth is the weapon right now is unbalanced and bioware is just being smart about it, the gun needs a change. I know people enjoy the weapon, i mean who wouldnt right? it kills everything fast on gold. Just be smart about it and stop complaining.

[ABjerre]

count_4 wrote...

ABjerre wrote...

Olaf_de_IJsbeer wrote...

While I agree with you, I think you are likely to receive a smash courtesy of a certain individual whose last name is 'Abram' over the thread title.

I actually wrote *'s instead of the words. They mean nothing more than what people put into them. But yes, i may change it, if it attracts negative attention. Or too much of it anyway.

count_4 wrote...

Hello there, whiney kid crying about nerfers.

ABjerre wrote...
The
main reason you do not have 1 million players posting in the forums
being angry with the Krysae is that they generally like it.

This sentence already disqualifies you from this discussion. Go whine somewhere else.

Could you please elaborate? I am not complaining about anything, i am merely voicing my concern that BioWare will cave to the poeple that do complain.

Chealec kinda already did so I'll just quote him here.
Regarding that specific sentence: Claiming to know how a million people feel and basically forcing your opinion onto them and claiming to be speaking in their name just makes you a pretentious douche. 
Same goes for (albeit indirectly) trying to tell BioWare how they are supposed to interpret their telemtric data about the Krysae or alleging they can't judge for themselves and need you to tell them what to do.

Anyway, quote.

Chealec wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Hello there, whiney kid crying about nerfers.

ABjerre wrote...
The main reason you do not have 1 million players posting in the forums being angry with the Krysae is that they generally like it.

This sentence already disqualifies you from this discussion. Go whine somewhere else.

^ yup - maybe they should go take an exciting class in statistical analysis or something... his argument is a bit like saying "The main reason people don't give to animal charities is becuase they like drowning kittens".

 


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Disclaimer: I'm not making a statement about the state of the Krysae(also I am in the 'slightly nerf it' faction) here. It's solely about the thread/OP itself.

You seem to have completely missed my point here. You can not possibly comprehend the immensity of the **** i dont give about the Krysae. I'm topping charts with it yes, but i was very much doing that too with my Valiant before that, and my Black Widow even before that. And my GPS, my Sabre and my Carfinex, you name it.

My main concern is that BioWare may start actually doing what people on the forum are yelling for, i just picked the Krysae as it seems to be a hot topic at the moment.

And no, i'm not forcing my oppinion on anyone, i'll agree that the wording was clumsy and i've changed it, but the point still stands: Noone knows what the 99,9% of so far silent players think, so my plea is that BioWare doesn't make desicions based on the voice of 0,1% of the player base.

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

Rifneno wrote...

TehMerc wrote...

TheMightyG00sh wrote...

There are three types of balance stands.....

Who have you conquered lately to be rewriting history?

France.

I was disappointed to find that he didn't describe the "don't give a damn" people as total savages.

[TheMightyG00sh]

Olaf_de_IJsbeer wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

TehMerc wrote...

TheMightyG00sh wrote...

There are three types of balance stands.....

Who have you conquered lately to be rewriting history?

France.

I was disappointed to find that he didn't describe the "don't give a damn" people as total savages.

I didn't even need to be around to defend my own post.
And no they aren't. They just don't give a damn if it gets nerfed/buffed or not. I thought my post was quite well explained.

[Chealec]

ABjerre wrote...

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And no, i'm not forcing my oppinion on anyone, i'll agree that the wording was clumsy and i've changed it, but the point still stands: Noone knows what the 99,9% of so far silent players think, so my plea is that BioWare doesn't make desicions based on the voice of 0,1% of the player base.

Fair enough - but that's how democracy works. If you don't vote, you don't get a say. The turnout for elections in the UK is somewhere around 33% give or take and there are 3 main parties... therefore who is in power can be determined by a vote cast by only 12% of the population.

If the silent majority aren't prepared to SAY that they're happy with something in the game, you can't assume that they are happy or that they aren't - all you can say is that they probably don't care enough one way or the other to actually voice their opinion.

[neteng101]

1337haxwtg wrote...

I'm sick of moronic posts labeling us as "nerfers." We want BALANCE, NOT TO NERF EVERYTHING.

You want samenesss and a level playing field.  Balance is not the same thing.  Balance just ensures that the weak its too terrible and the great doesn't behave like a one hit kill everything nuke.  You refuse to accept the proper definition of balance, and then get upset when you get the wrong label attached.  I guess I'll just label you as "boring" cause that's basically what the balance side of the nerfers want in the game.

Stuff like the Viper and Incisor are perfectly fine needing no buffs.  The Krysae is great for some but not OP...  speed runs I've seen, why its quicker is simply because its easy to use, so people don't have to spend as much time taking aim at their targets.  Its not game breaking in any way.

And the balance in the game is right...  as you increase the difficulty rating from Bronze, to Silver, to Gold, you should find less and less viable setups.  This is part and parcel of the game...  choosing skills, characters, weapons...  not just what happens in those 11 waves.  This shows the balance is pretty good overall in the game.

Your wrong understaing of "balance" just makes everything equally viable thus it doesn't matter anymore what anyone uses or picks in skill trees, etc.  Its ultimately boring...  and you only look at the game from one perspective ie. Gold.  So I guess if you want a better label, narrow minded and selfish would be rather appropriate?

Another thing, people don't seem to understand that rarity =/= effectiveness either.  Rarity is the hardness to obtain something in the game, not necessarily how effective the item has to be.  And there seems to be some misunderstanding between ultra-rare and promotional as they're different as well...  the Collector rifle is not much use but people hardly talk about that, just the Eagle.  So the Eagle is a better Phalanx in a designer's perspective...  that shouldn't mean it has to outdo the Carnifex/Paladin.  That's just the stupidity of those who do not understand "balance".

Which is why BW should quit listening to the vocal minority here, their perspectives are so skewed that the game just gets worse as they tweak (we've already seen Geth become boring/drag, removal of fun headshots, etc).

[Lexa_D]

[quote]ABjerre wrote...

[quote]Eric Fagnan wrote...
We are looking at the Krysae balance closely and will probably have some changes for it soon.[/quote]

Dear Bioware,

As I write to you, I am sertain that I wouldn't know numerical logic if it spit me in the eye.
[/quote]
[/quote]There, fixed it for you.

[Lexa_D]

Chealec wrote...

ABjerre wrote...

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And no, i'm not forcing my oppinion on anyone, i'll agree that the wording was clumsy and i've changed it, but the point still stands: Noone knows what the 99,9% of so far silent players think, so my plea is that BioWare doesn't make desicions based on the voice of 0,1% of the player base.

Fair enough - but that's how democracy works. If you don't vote, you don't get a say. The turnout for elections in the UK is somewhere around 33% give or take and there are 3 main parties... therefore who is in power can be determined by a vote cast by only 12% of the population.

If the silent majority aren't prepared to SAY that they're happy with something in the game, you can't assume that they are happy or that they aren't - all you can say is that they probably don't care enough one way or the other to actually voice their opinion.

Furthermore, who cares about democracy in videogames? Ask kids' vote on candy-to-porridge ratio, riiiight. The majority isn't right cause it wouldn't know what's right - the top experts like Godless, zH3kr, Diablerist, Cyonan do.

[ABjerre]

Lexa_D wrote...
There, fixed it for you.

I'm impressed with the alternative views you presented, as well as the reason and logic in your argumentation for them. A valuable contribution indeed.

[Chealec]

neteng101 wrote...

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Which is why BW should quit listening to the vocal minority here, their perspectives are so skewed that the game just gets worse as they tweak (we've already seen Geth become boring/drag, removal of fun headshots, etc).

Please stop posting, I'm never sure whether you're trolling ... removal of headshots had NOTHING to do with anything anyone said on this forum - headshot damage on primes was NOT supposed to be in the game in the first place (according to the patch notes) - if you're really lucky the "vocal minority" might help get them reinstated.

[Quackjack]

Oh god, this is gonna get worse isn't it?

[Chealec]

Lexa_D wrote...

Chealec wrote...

ABjerre wrote...

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And no, i'm not forcing my oppinion on anyone, i'll agree that the wording was clumsy and i've changed it, but the point still stands: Noone knows what the 99,9% of so far silent players think, so my plea is that BioWare doesn't make desicions based on the voice of 0,1% of the player base.

Fair enough - but that's how democracy works. If you don't vote, you don't get a say. The turnout for elections in the UK is somewhere around 33% give or take and there are 3 main parties... therefore who is in power can be determined by a vote cast by only 12% of the population.

If the silent majority aren't prepared to SAY that they're happy with something in the game, you can't assume that they are happy or that they aren't - all you can say is that they probably don't care enough one way or the other to actually voice their opinion.

Furthermore, who cares about democracy in videogames? Ask kids' vote on candy-to-porridge ratio, riiiight. The majority isn't right cause it wouldn't know what's right - the top experts like Godless, zH3kr, Diablerist, Cyonan do.

I've met some of the electorate in this country and I don't think they should be allowed to vote either, for pretty much the same reason as your comment about the majority there ...

[ABjerre]

Quackjack wrote...
Oh god, this is gonna get worse isn't it?

I'm guessing it will be going where ever the brilliant minds of the forums take it. As long as it never ends up in the Multiplayer Balance Sticky based on what people on the forum are saying, i'm happy.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Gun on its own might be fine but Krysae + TC is ridiculously OP and everyone who uses it knows it.

Just used it for the first time on Silver/Geth with a QI Male to see what all the fuss is about .Had big LoL's when 2 Pyros, 2 Hunters and a few trash mobs flanked me. Normally this would be a case of oh shi-. Instead it was a case of TC, click shoot three times rapidly, oh look a killstreak!

Guessing all those defending it so much just love having EZ mode.

[count_4]

ABjerre wrote...

count_4 wrote...

ABjerre wrote...

Olaf_de_IJsbeer wrote...

While I agree with you, I think you are likely to receive a smash courtesy of a certain individual whose last name is 'Abram' over the thread title.

I actually wrote *'s instead of the words. They mean nothing more than what people put into them. But yes, i may change it, if it attracts negative attention. Or too much of it anyway.

count_4 wrote...

Hello there, whiney kid crying about nerfers.

ABjerre wrote...
The
main reason you do not have 1 million players posting in the forums
being angry with the Krysae is that they generally like it.

This sentence already disqualifies you from this discussion. Go whine somewhere else.

Could you please elaborate? I am not complaining about anything, i am merely voicing my concern that BioWare will cave to the poeple that do complain.

Chealec kinda already did so I'll just quote him here.
Regarding that specific sentence: Claiming to know how a million people feel and basically forcing your opinion onto them and claiming to be speaking in their name just makes you a pretentious douche. 
Same goes for (albeit indirectly) trying to tell BioWare how they are supposed to interpret their telemtric data about the Krysae or alleging they can't judge for themselves and need you to tell them what to do.

Anyway, quote.

Chealec wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Hello there, whiney kid crying about nerfers.

ABjerre wrote...
The main reason you do not have 1 million players posting in the forums being angry with the Krysae is that they generally like it.

This sentence already disqualifies you from this discussion. Go whine somewhere else.

^ yup - maybe they should go take an exciting class in statistical analysis or something... his argument is a bit like saying "The main reason people don't give to animal charities is becuase they like drowning kittens".

 


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Disclaimer: I'm not making a statement about the state of the Krysae(also I am in the 'slightly nerf it' faction) here. It's solely about the thread/OP itself.

 but the point still stands: Noone knows what the 99,9% of so far silent players think, so my plea is that BioWare doesn't make desicions based on the voice of 0,1% of the player base.

You do realize that "Noone knows what the 99,9% of so far silent players think " is about the exact opposite of the "99,9% of the players like the Krysae" you (originally) wrote in your OP, right?
Ten more iterations of your OP and we might actually end up with a decent post.

Modifié par count_4, 07 juin 2012 - 12:55 .

[neteng101]

Chealec wrote...

Please stop posting, I'm never sure whether you're trolling ... removal of headshots had NOTHING to do with anything anyone said on this forum - headshot damage on primes was NOT supposed to be in the game in the first place (according to the patch notes) - if you're really lucky the "vocal minority" might help get them reinstated.

You can read the patch notes and take it at face value - but the Geth changes all indicate one thing to me...  its the direct result of all the FBWGG whiners on the forums.

If someone disagrees, call them a troll.  Indeed, you are proving your validity rather questionable...  the vocal minority are in essense no better than schoolyard bullies, if you see how they constantly put anyone/everyone that shows a different viewpoint down and try to silence them completely.  You say others don't speak, but actually there are plenty of others that speak up for no changes, they just get drowned out and bullied off the forums for doing so.

[John123453242]

The Krysae is far from the best gun. It is only the best for those that can't aim.