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[MinatheBrat]

Thanks for voting Zen!

This was my first poll- so I made an error and didn't put a link back to this thread in the poll so lots of comments there..here not so much! lol

And when I go to edit the poll , it won't let me link with code so I had to settle with just the url that peeps can copy and paste *sadface*
But hey, live and learn.

Modifié par MinatheBrat, 08 juin 2012 - 01:17 .

[rmccowen]

Wall of text incoming! TL;DR: Your poll is problematic because it will be very hard to interpret the meaning of the answers.

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To start off, it's good practice to avoid double-barreled questions. The poll asks whether "the Krysae is OP and should be nerfed", which means you don't know how to interpret the answers. A "yes" is pretty clear in this case--the respondent thinks that the Krysae is overpowered, and thinks that it should be nerfed. But what does a "no" vote mean?

You used terms with heavy connotation: "OP" and "nerf". In this context, those words prime people for heavily emotional reactions. The same two words are also heavily contextual: it's possible that someone with a valid opinion could see the poll and not know what one or both of those terms mean.

You didn't provide a means to look at how strongly people feel. As it stands, someone who thinks it's a little overpowered and needs a tiny downward adjustment has to give the same answer as someone who thinks it's the worst thing to ever happen to the game and should be hit with the nerf-bat until it's worse than the Incisor.

A vote of "no opinion" is a different kind of answer than "yes" or "no", and it's impossible to interpret. What do you do about the 9 (so far) people who bothered to click through and bothered to vote but claim they have no opinion?

The presence of "I haven't unlocked it" also makes your "yes" and "no" answers harder to interpret. It is entirely possible that someone who hasn't unlocked it still has an informed opinion on its power level: they've looked at the stats, talked to friends about it, and seen other people use it in play, and determined that the gun is/isn't okay as-is. Almost certainly, some portion of the yes/no people haven't unlocked the gun, and it's equally likely that some of the 16 people who chose this option also had opinions... and you don't know who "should" have been in what category.

So, if you really want to get at the answer to this question, here's how I'd do it. (Yes, I know you can't do this properly with the poll function for this forum. The first three questions definitely won't work in this format, but if you could sort answers by respondent, you'd get some useful information about what kind of players are most likely to find problems with the gun.)

For the record, my answers are: A, B, B, D, C.

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This survey is designed to help determine the consensus of the BSN community about the new Krysae sniper rifle, released as part of the recent Rebellion Pack DLC. This survey should take less than five minutes of your time, and your answers are important: the multiplayer design team is aware of feedback generated by the community, and your input could help determine what changes (if any) will be made to this weapon in the future.

1.  Have you unlocked the Krysae sniper rifle released as part of the Rebellion Pack?

(A) Yes
( No

2.  If so, have you upgraded it to level X?

(A) Yes
( No

3.  What difficulty setting do you play most often?

(A) Bronze
( Silver
© Gold

4.  In comparison to other top-tier sniper rifles (like the Widow, Black Widow, or N7 Valiant), how powerful does the Krysae generally feel in play?

(A) Much less powerful
( Somewhat less powerful
© About the same power
(D) Somewhat more powerful
(E) Much more powerful

5.  If Bioware decided to adjust the game balance of the Krysae, what change should they make?

(A) A large decrease in power
( A moderate decrease in power
© A small decrease in power

(D) A small increase in power
(E) A moderate increase in power
(F) A large increase in power

Modifié par rmccowen, 08 juin 2012 - 02:07 .

[MinatheBrat]

hey rmccowen. Thanks for your post!

I understand that this poll is not in true scientific format! LOL  
I was mostly interested in ferreting out whether or not the pro-nerf crowd was in the majority or the "leave it alone" crowd.

For simplicity, I probably could have just said- Do you think the Krysae needs to be nerfed? and left it at that, but oh well - my first bsn poll. lol And I agree the terms are emotional! This is an emotional subject for alot of players. 

I use the terms OP and nerf because they're the commonly used terms on this forum when talking about the Krysae. The term nerf means to downgrade - and whether it is alot or a little is irrelevent when vs. leave it alone.

I purposely avoided the "shades of overpowered" argument because if indeed, a majority think it needs a nerf, then the degree and variety of nerf can be argued from that point on. I didn't want to get into it. Nor, can you, I think with the limitations of this simple poll system.

I added the "haven't unlocked it" because I was curious how many people would feel that that best represented their position since I've seen that response in threads about this issue. Some people have an opinion on the gun whether they've used it or not, and some feel they can't judge until they get it, so that's why I put that there. If they have an opinion yes or no, I would expect they voted that first.

Anyway, I like your ideas. You should put that poll together with an external poll app! I'll vote 

Modifié par MinatheBrat, 08 juin 2012 - 03:01 .

[BazoozooTV]

Mina - voting for your poll looks like it's coming along nicely.

Great job!

Regardless of what people say, I think that the poll feature here on the BSN is a great way to gauge general interest/moods on topics. It's way better than asking a general question and collecting responses via posts.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

As predicted most people would vote no. This does not mean the weapon isn't OP, it just means the current 54% of people either have no idea how to use it effectively, or just like playing on noob mode all day.

[Lee80]

The no's are still ahead, which makes sense. It's good when logic prevails.

[MinatheBrat]

BazoozooTV wrote...

Mina - voting for your poll looks like it's coming along nicely.

Great job!

Regardless of what people say, I think that the poll feature here on the BSN is a great way to gauge general interest/moods on topics. It's way better than asking a general question and collecting responses via posts.

Hey thanks Blue!
I try I try.....

It certainly is eye-opening, I'll give you that.

[1337haxwtg]

I think the poll is a good idea, but is a little too vague. "Yes" and "no" are too absolute. I think the gun is overpowered, but I feel the primary issue lies within the synergy with tactical cloak. I think it needs attention and mechanic tweaks, but I'd hardly call that a "nerf."

As it stands, I feel the poll may be getting more "no" votes because it is asking for a straight up nerf to the gun itself rather than a balancing tweak.

[A Division of Elkoss Combine]

Nerf the Krysae because it does a lot of damage. Okay but if you nerf it then you'd have to nerf Infiltrators because Tactical Cloak does a lot of damage. But if you nerf that, then you'd have to nerf Adepts because Biotic Detonations will become too powerful. Nerf them. But wait, then a Claymore-wielding human soldier would become insanely OP. Nerf both the class and the weapon. But what about Geth Engineers with Geth Plasma shotguns? They deserve a nerf, too, they do too much damage and steal points from you. And Vorcha sentinels with the Reegar shotgun? It's so insanely OP that you have to nerf them this very instant.

Conclusion: NERF EVERYTHING!!!!!! RAAAAAWRRR!!!!

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[MinatheBrat]

Shameless bump because I've been away this weekend.

Poll is still active.

[dysturbed0ne]

pro-nerf'ers all always going to find something to whine about. It seems like they want all the weapons to do the same damage. To me that is like having all the characters look different but have the same abilities, what the hell is the point. If everything is balanced it won't matter what weapon you chose.

There should be OP weapons, so people that don't have hours upon hours of time to devote to becoming "elite" and learn the exact timing it takes to make a weapon worth a s*** can also compete. Let BW do their thing, because if you really knew what the hell you were talking about, you would be the one with the ability to make the changes.

[MinatheBrat]

Bump for the morning.

[Poison_Berrie]

dysturbed0ne wrote...

pro-nerf'ers all always going to find something to whine about. It seems like they want all the weapons to do the same damage. To me that is like having all the characters look different but have the same abilities, what the hell is the point. If everything is balanced it won't matter what weapon you chose.

Here's something to consider.
You act as if nerfers are somehow of singular ideal. That everyone who talks now, was complaining before and have done nothing but ask for nerfs since the moment they started using this part of the forums.
Then why is it suddenly now that you talk about THE NERFERS. Where were the masses of threads like this before.

Perhaps you should not go about using baseless conjecture to make weak point and instead accept that there is no singular group of nerfers. These are people who for whatever various reason, valid and objective or invalid and emotional, ask for a nerf.

I'm quite certain (from their posts) that a lot these people don't want everything to do the same damage.

[SkreeMalicious]

voted no, you nerf callers should work on your own game rather than volunteering your 'services' to BW by rallying the vocal minority in the forums and presuming BW wants all things vanilla and indifferent to eachother.

Modifié par SkreeMalicious, 11 juin 2012 - 01:50 .

[Variasaber]

I have a Krysae I and tried it out recently. Its damage is impressive, but I think it is quite balanced by its fire rate, reload time, and sparse spare ammo. I personally did terrible with it due to some horrifyingly bad lag that made aiming almost impossible and ate half my shots, but even after compensating for that it's not super-OP; it just seems like it is when other people are using it because nearby enemies that are at full health one second are exploding into bloody fleshy bits the next second.

jaydubs67 wrote...

Oh dear. Whatever the exact number, one thing is clear. We've got a base breaker ladies and gentleman.

http://tvtropes.org/...ain/BaseBreaker
http://tvtropes.org/...Main/BrokenBase

Also a case of "They Changed It Now It Sucks" or "They Kept It The Same Now It Sucks" (depending on what happens), but applied to a weapon instead of a work.

[Djarknaein]

I like to play it and hate it when I'm not playing it and someone else does. It's not the fact that I usually don't top the scoreboard with out it it's just annoying to set up a biotic combo and see someone just blow up your targets and yes that can be said of every weapon but when someone is playing the krysea it's every single one. So I voted yes. I only use it on fbwgg matches to speed things up.

[paincanbefun]

justinblac wrote...

Fix bugs before balance please.

+100

[Drakham]

i dont think it is overpowered.
It makes sniping alot less difficult which probably angers lots os "pros" who are whining now as people play infiltrators who dont have to hit the head.

I compared the normal snipers like valiant and widow with the krysae and i think the krysae is not overpowered. I cant say it does the same or more damage than the other weapons.
Yes it needs less aiming which can be a gift or a curse.
For example im helpess when it comes to Guards with shields as you cant shoot through the slit.
For some unkown reason its awfull versus ravagers but good versus brutes and Banshees.
Its also good against Phantomes and the rest of the small fries.

It damages alot sometimes but at lvl5 at least its not always a one shot kill unless you cloak (infil).
I still think the BW is better and especially so if you can headshot only thing is headshots arnt so easy anymore so the damage difference between krysae and the conventional snipers is less big which is what is putting of people who claim to be good with widows and so on.

I think the real issue here is some people feeling anymore as elite because its now pretty easy to have good results (not always) but alot easier with only a minor difference in the points earned for the team and usually the same people wanting to nerf the Krysae are the same claiming to be on the top of the list usually.

In my eyes BW would be stupid to nerf the gun because a certain percentage of the people think its now to easy. In case you did not notice the enemies were buffed.
And this wont be the last time this happens.
So what will happen is that older weapons you have maxed become less effective and newer weapons are still more effective until they increase/buff the enemies again.

[mmmidnight]

I think the krysae should be left alone along with the rebalancing of all the other guns.  The developers made this product and they give you an opportunity to learn the weapons and play with  them as is.  It is a shame that a couple of thousand people can influence so many changes in multiplayer gameplay when it is tons more who dont even bother writing bioware to complain. I have been playing this game constantly since i got it. I have bought copies for my family and friends and we all love it .  If they do anymore changes to ruin weapons to satisfy a handful of people i personally will stop playing this game .  I love the the Krysae easy and fun to play with if i wanna relax and not stress. Please leave it alone.

[Juuna]

They should buff this weapon. Its so slow and doesnt even come close to the Widows damage.

[Beerfish]

No it does not have to be nerfed. It is another gun that in the hands of one or several gold players with skill with destroy things. In the hands of the rest of us schleps it is pretty good but far from an elite difference maker.

Cater to the whole playing base, not just gold.

[ToaOrka]

Despite the fact that I am really against nerfing in general and belief we should focus on bug fixes before balance changes, the cruel and unfortunate truth is that if you put the Krysae in the hands of an even moderately compotent infiltrator, nobody else will be gaining many points...

[SkreeMalicious]

mmmidnight wrote...

  It is a shame that a couple of thousand little over a hundred people can influence so many changes in multiplayer gameplay when it is tons tens of thousands more who dont even bother writing bioware to complain.

fixed

[SkreeMalicious]

ToaOrka wrote...

Despite the fact that I am really against nerfing in general and belief we should focus on bug fixes before balance changes, the cruel and unfortunate truth is that if you put the Krysae in the hands of an even moderately compotent infiltrator, nobody else will be gaining many points...

lolno. its good but it doesnt turn crummy players into good players. Ive seen plent of terrible infiltrators use it and get 30-40k end of game. I know, because i beat these people consistently with a Phaeston X.

There are an astronomical amount of bad infiltrators that just need to learn the class, a slow-firing weapon that has a handful of ammo capacity does not help them.

[Beerfish]

SkreeMalicious wrote...

ToaOrka wrote...

Despite the fact that I am really against nerfing in general and belief we should focus on bug fixes before balance changes, the cruel and unfortunate truth is that if you put the Krysae in the hands of an even moderately compotent infiltrator, nobody else will be gaining many points...

lolno. its good but it doesnt turn crummy players into good players. Ive seen plent of terrible infiltrators use it and get 30-40k end of game. I know, because i beat these people consistently with a Phaeston X.

There are an astronomical amount of bad infiltrators that just need to learn the class, a slow-firing weapon that has a handful of ammo capacity does not help them.

You may have played with me, as that describes my play with the weapon to a T.