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AwesomeName wrote...
Some Geth wrote...
I am one but I would still love to hang out with Jesus, Buddha, Amaterasu, Zeus and Cthulhu. It would be a fun party.
Death is sulking right now.
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AwesomeName wrote...
Siansonea II wrote...
AwesomeName wrote...
But what if I can't for some reason? What if no one can? I don't see how a thing doesn't exist until you observe it (unless we're talking quantum mechanics or something).
In any case, there's no reason to presuppose there's a sticker under your mattress, or "believe" there's a sticker under your mattress. Until the matter is settled by observation, then there isn't a sticker under your mattress. And really, in this example, if the sticker has no effect on the world whatsoever (if it had an effect, we could infer its existence indirectly) then it might as well NOT exist, don't you think? For all practical purposes, it doesn't, since it has zero effect on observable reality.
There's also no reason to "believe" or presuppose there isn't one. Hence I'm one of those people who's sitting here going, "Ehhh, I guess there might be a sticker there and there might not be one? Either way, I'm not really worried *inhales spliff* ".
*Isn't actually having a spliff.
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billy the squid wrote...
AwesomeName wrote...
Some Geth wrote...
I am one but I would still love to hang out with Jesus, Buddha, Amaterasu, Zeus and Cthulhu. It would be a fun party.
Death is sulking right now.
No way he's all about the party stunts, it's all fun and games until somebody gets hurt, then he's all back to business. Puts a real damper on the party mood.
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Siansonea II wrote...
Actually, there IS a reason to presuppose there isn't one. Why would we think there was a sticker there? If no one can detect it, if it's somehow completely obscure from observation and has no measurable indirect effect on our universe, why NOT presuppose it doesn't exist? There *could* be a small china teapot orbiting around the sun in the orbit between Earth and Mars, too small to see through our telescopes, but I'd say it's not bloody likely.
Plus him and Jesus don't get along all that well. And Zeus just wants to get in Death's pants...billy the squid wrote...
AwesomeName wrote...
Some Geth wrote...
I am one but I would still love to hang out with Jesus, Buddha, Amaterasu, Zeus and Cthulhu. It would be a fun party.
Death is sulking right now.
No way he's all about the party stunts, it's all fun and games until somebody gets hurt, then he's all back to business. Puts a real damper on the party mood.
Guest_AwesomeName_*
Siansonea II wrote...
Actually, there IS a reason to presuppose there isn't one. Why would we think there was a sticker there? If no one can detect it, if it's somehow completely obscure from observation and has no measurable indirect effect on our universe, why NOT presuppose it doesn't exist? There *could* be a small china teapot orbiting around the sun in the orbit between Earth and Mars, too small to see through our telescopes, but I'd say it's not bloody likely.
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I hope so.eroeru wrote...
Why? Because you believe you will be able to reach a firm conclusion?
I know. It's possible that I could change my mind later, but I doubt that.You can perhaps arrive to a better one, but saying it will be final is really uninspiring.
I will always be open for debates.Or is the debate just bothering you?
DuckSoup wrote...
AngryFrozenWater wrote...
Look at it is this way: If you believe you can live in heaven infinitely and if you don't then hell is your reward. Forever is a very long time, so no matter how small the chance is, a pragmatic would opt to believe. Just to be sure, I have decided to believe all such religions.
This is kinda something I've always thought, but it's a tricky one.
I used to think as a kid, that because there is a chance that Heaven and Hell may be real, then I should do all I can in my life not to annoy God and get on his bad side because I want to go to Heaven. Even if I'm wrong and neither exist then I've lost nothing.
Then I read the Bible and it soon dawned on me that if I were to follow everything closely - as is written - I wouldn't be able to lead a "practical" life based on how the world works at the present. There are so many things that realistically speaking I wouldn't be able to do.
This had me very frightened for a while. How would I not go to Hell?
Then, after some thought, it occured to me that if God had created us then he'd know that we are capable of. He'd also be aware of our fickle beaviour. He'd know that the world we live in is very different to that which existed when we were put here.
This helped me.
I chose to believe that God would understand this and he would probably be a bit more flexible in his approach. More willing to let things slide than perhaps he once was. That as long as I'm a good, decent person who tries to live well I'd be alright. I'd be even more alright because I have faith. Not a faith which I have forced myself into - I wasn't sent to Sunday school or church or because my parents believed and insisted I should too - it all came naturally to me out of nowhere. It's just... there. In me. I don't know why or how, it just is. But you can't just do it one way or the other - that's not genuine faith.
Anyway, he could just be sleeping now and when he wakes up he'll be p*ssed and we'll all be done for. Who knows? Nobody.
That's just a Shinigami/ninja magic crap.AwesomeName wrote...
billy the squid wrote...
AwesomeName wrote...
Some Geth wrote...
I am one but I would still love to hang out with Jesus, Buddha, Amaterasu, Zeus and Cthulhu. It would be a fun party.
Death is sulking right now.
No way he's all about the party stunts, it's all fun and games until somebody gets hurt, then he's all back to business. Puts a real damper on the party mood.
Bill and Ted are clearly disagreeing with you in that picture.
Also, he can be a total badass when he's all Japanese and shizzle.
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