Ce sujet est fermé
I take the Neutral ground because if both answers are possibly Wrong.
Then it is better to admit, that we, particularly I, do not know.
I can't believe, to me it is a concept that I can't grasp.
"To think you are right about something without concrete evidence and state it as fact? Surely you are insane?" You may not be, but I can not grasp the concept.
How many people here are atheist?
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#102
Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:39
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Siansonea II wrote...
DarkDragon777 wrote...
Siansonea II wrote...
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The Prime God is incomprehensible. Reason and perception don't and won't ever have the ability to understand its purpose and quiddity. If everyone was gifted...
Really? Prove it.
Prove it wrong.
That's not how it works. If someone puts forth a proposition, the burden of proof is on them to prove it to be true. Until they prove their case, it doesn't get to be afforded the status of a "true" thing.
I'm afraid that's not how it works. The core tenents of science and mathematics are based on uprovable assumptions "proven" via circular logic. We cannot prove, we simply presume to.
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:39
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Siansonea II, I don't think you read my post quite carefully enough. I think it's actually quite clear what I believe. My mind is made up. I just think the terms are a bit too loaded, and the category in which you would place me is also used for beliefs I do not hold.
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:39
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DarkDragon777 wrote...
Siansonea II wrote...
Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...
@Siansonea II
The Prime God is incomprehensible. Reason and perception don't and won't ever have the ability to understand its purpose and quiddity. If everyone was gifted...
Really? Prove it.
Prove it wrong.
How can you? The statement is gibberish.
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:39
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DarkDragon777 wrote...
Siansonea II wrote...
Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...
@Siansonea II
The Prime God is incomprehensible. Reason and perception don't and won't ever have the ability to understand its purpose and quiddity. If everyone was gifted...
Really? Prove it.
Prove it wrong.
Sorry, but the burden of proof is with those who make the claim. If you claim something, it's your job to back it up with proof.
So if you claim god is or isn't something, you have to prove it. Until you come with prove, it is only natural that we are skeptical and do not believe your claims.
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Indeed. Also, I didn't know you liked MLP.Siansonea II wrote...
DarkDragon777 wrote...
Siansonea II wrote...
Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...
@Siansonea II
The Prime God is incomprehensible. Reason and perception don't and won't ever have the ability to understand its purpose and quiddity. If everyone was gifted...
Really? Prove it.
Prove it wrong.
That's not how it works. If someone puts forth a proposition, the burden of proof is on them to prove it to be true.
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:41
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Volus Warlord wrote...
I'm afraid that's not how it works. The core tenents of science and mathematics are based on uprovable assumptions "proven" via circular logic. We cannot prove, we simply presume to.
Axioms aren't proven via circular logic. They aren't proven at all. I thought this was your point in the first place.
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:42
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Volus Warlord wrote...
Siansonea II wrote...
DarkDragon777 wrote...
Siansonea II wrote...
Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...
@Siansonea II
The Prime God is incomprehensible. Reason and perception don't and won't ever have the ability to understand its purpose and quiddity. If everyone was gifted...
Really? Prove it.
Prove it wrong.
That's not how it works. If someone puts forth a proposition, the burden of proof is on them to prove it to be true. Until they prove their case, it doesn't get to be afforded the status of a "true" thing.
I'm afraid that's not how it works. The core tenents of science and mathematics are based on uprovable assumptions "proven" via circular logic. We cannot prove, we simply presume to.
you i like.
the dynamic hammer of right and wrong swing both ways.
logic is a forground the controlling civilization sets as law.one day itll change and sometime down the line, it will be "proven" as wrong.its death that is just the beginning of life.being birthed is to die
#110
Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:43
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termokanden wrote...
Volus Warlord wrote...
I'm afraid that's not how it works. The core tenents of science and mathematics are based on uprovable assumptions "proven" via circular logic. We cannot prove, we simply presume to.
Axioms aren't proven via circular logic. They aren't proven at all. I thought this was your point in the first place.
Notice the quotation marks. They go around in circles, so some consider that proof.
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:43
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Siansonea II wrote...
Until they prove their case, it doesn't get to be afforded the status of a "true" thing.DarkDragon777 wrote...
Siansonea II wrote...
Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...
@Siansonea II
The Prime God is incomprehensible. Reason and perception don't and won't ever have the ability to understand its purpose and quiddity. If everyone was gifted...
Really? Prove it.
Prove it wrong.
I just did.
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:43
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Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...
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The Prime God is incomprehensible. Reason and perception don't and won't ever have the ability to understand its purpose and quiddity. If everyone was gifted...
What do you mean by "If everyone was gifted" ?
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Wow, this thread is full of lulz - humans are such funny creatures, the way they bicker back and forth about their personal beliefs, both trying to prove the other wrong but never succeeding.
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:45
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greengoron89 wrote...
Wow, this thread is full of lulz - humans are such funny creatures, the way they bicker back and forth about their personal beliefs, both trying to prove the other wrong but never succeeding.
Human spirituality is just a big game of checkers. Lol.
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greengoron89 wrote...
Wow, this thread is full of lulz - humans are such funny creatures, the way they bicker back and forth about their personal beliefs, both trying to prove the other wrong but never succeeding.
Vader has spoken.
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:45
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greengoron89 wrote...
Wow, this thread is full of lulz - humans are such funny creatures, the way they bicker back and forth about their personal beliefs, both trying to prove the other wrong but never succeeding.
This is exactly why I take the stance I do.
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:46
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greengoron89 wrote...
Wow, this thread is full of lulz - humans are such funny creatures, the way they bicker back and forth about their personal beliefs, both trying to prove the other wrong but never succeeding.
Oh, so you're saying you've never been in an argument before?
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"What's that? A different opinion than my own!? Gather the men we have a crusade to begin..."greengoron89 wrote...
Wow, this thread is full of lulz - humans are such funny creatures, the way they bicker back and forth about their personal beliefs, both trying to prove the other wrong but never succeeding.
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:46
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Volus Warlord wrote...
Notice the quotation marks. They go around in circles, so some consider that proof.
I know what circular logic is. You seem to claim that this is used as the basis of science and mathematics though, and this is false.
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:47
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Volus Warlord wrote...
Siansonea II wrote...
DarkDragon777 wrote...
Siansonea II wrote...
Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...
@Siansonea II
The Prime God is incomprehensible. Reason and perception don't and won't ever have the ability to understand its purpose and quiddity. If everyone was gifted...
Really? Prove it.
Prove it wrong.
That's not how it works. If someone puts forth a proposition, the burden of proof is on them to prove it to be true. Until they prove their case, it doesn't get to be afforded the status of a "true" thing.
I'm afraid that's not how it works. The core tenents of science and mathematics are based on uprovable assumptions "proven" via circular logic. We cannot prove, we simply presume to.
And yet these tenets are what powers our computers, our cell phones, our televisions, etc., all without the component of "belief". Sure, you can lawyer this argument into existential oblivion through your own brand of circular logic, but what good would that do?
And the day that every random flight of fancy that people come up with gets to be considered TRUE until DISPROVEN by another person? Please. Go back to Philosophy class.
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:48
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termokanden wrote...
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Notice the quotation marks. They go around in circles, so some consider that proof.
Then those people are not mathematicians I guess.
Nope. Or mathematicians not into real analysis and all that jazz.
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:48
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Evidence and tangibility are what seperate science and mathematics from faith and religion.Volus Warlord wrote...
I'm afraid that's not how it works. The core tenents of science and mathematics are based on uprovable assumptions "proven" via circular logic. We cannot prove, we simply presume to.
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:48
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greengoron89 wrote...
Wow, this thread is full of lulz - humans are such funny creatures, the way they bicker back and forth about their personal beliefs, both trying to prove the other wrong but never succeeding.
I'm just waiting for someone to call someone a troll.
"wut, yo viu is teh different? TROLL!! LOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:49
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DarkDragon777 wrote...
Siansonea II wrote...
Until they prove their case, it doesn't get to be afforded the status of a "true" thing.DarkDragon777 wrote...
Siansonea II wrote...
Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...
@Siansonea II
The Prime God is incomprehensible. Reason and perception don't and won't ever have the ability to understand its purpose and quiddity. If everyone was gifted...
Really? Prove it.
Prove it wrong.
I just did.
No you didn't. You only think you did. New to "thinking", are you?
