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[billy the squid]

Siansonea II wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...

@Siansonea II
The Prime God is incomprehensible. Reason and perception don't and won't ever have the ability to understand its purpose and quiddity. If everyone was gifted...

Really? Prove it.

Prove it wrong.

That's not how it works. If someone puts forth a proposition, the burden of proof is on them to prove it to be true. Until they prove their case, it doesn't get to be afforded the status of a "true" thing. 

I'm afraid that's not how it works. The core tenents of science and mathematics are based on uprovable assumptions "proven" via circular logic. We cannot prove, we simply presume to.

And yet these tenets are what powers our computers, our cell phones, our televisions, etc., all without the component of "belief". Sure, you can lawyer this argument into existential oblivion through your own brand of circular logic, but what good would that do? 

And the day that every random flight of fancy that people come up with gets to be considered TRUE until DISPROVEN by another person? Please. Go back to Philosophy class.

On behalf of the legal fraternity I object. The Burden of proof is always on the Plaintiff/ Claimant.

[HulkSmashU]

everyone here has become this guy.its ok though
everyone including me is wrong and the only person right is god

[DarkDragon777]

Siansonea II wrote...




No you didn't. You only think you did. New to "thinking", are you?

No.

[chunkyman]

It was by the grace of the great buffalo spirit Wematanye that we exist on this mortal plain.

[Volus Warlord]

Siansonea II wrote...

*snip* 

And yet these tenets are what powers our computers, our cell phones, our televisions, etc., all without the component of "belief". Sure, you can lawyer this argument into existential oblivion through your own brand of circular logic, but what good would that do? 

And the day that every random flight of fancy that people come up with gets to be considered TRUE until DISPROVEN by another person? Please. Go back to Philosophy class.

:lol:Lol. Philosophy is where the inept find self-value.

Science and math have their utilites.  Religion does as well.

[Siansonea]

Erik Lehnsherr wrote...

I take the Neutral ground because if both answers are possibly Wrong.

Then it is better to admit, that we, particularly I, do not know.

I can't believe, to me it is a concept that I can't grasp.

"To think you are right about something without concrete evidence and state it as fact? Surely you are insane?" You may not be, but I can not grasp the concept.

You make the mistake of assuming that the two answers have an EQUAL chance of being wrong. Well, one of the answers has thousands of years of rigorous research and observation to back it up, the other has...stories. There's a reason most courts disallow hearsay as evidence.

But whatever, you have fun dancing on the head of a quantum pin.

[RAF1940]

If you don't believe in Darwinism, then at this point you're just an idiot.

[Blacklash93]

Volus Warlord wrote...

:lol:Lol. Philosophy is where the inept find self-value.

By that logic the same applies to religion. Philosophy is a huuuuuuuuuuge component of it.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 07 juin 2012 - 09:05 .

[CroGamer002]

Surprised no ponies nor Spiderman.

[DarkDragon777]

greengoron89 wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Oh, so you're saying you've never been in an argument before?

Where did I say that? Can you prove I said that? I can't see it, so there's no way it could be true.

Well you seemed to be mocking the people in this thread about their petty arguments, suggesting that you aren't fond of argument either, unless you enjoy using self-deprictaing humor, then by all means, forgive me, Lord Vader.

[GrumpyM00SE]

Atheist.

[Flashflame58]

A wise person once asked me, "Do you think we're friends? If so, then it's best we don't discuss religion."

Also: "If people just kept what they believe in to themselves, then it would never be a problem."

[HulkSmashU]

DuckSoup wrote...

There is no solid proof. That is why, even though I believe that there is a God, I can just as easily say that I don't know if he truly exists. I like to believe that he does. But, I also believe in Darwinism. So, because I believe in that, most people would ask "How can you believe in the creation of man by God, when you believe we evolved?" I don't have an answer to that. I just know that I hold two opposing viewpoints. And that's my choice to do so. One I hold in my heart, for reasons I do not know or fully understand, and the other I have come to believe in through research.

i saw your post and are bitting *bites*
i understand that and actually somewhat kind of are along that path.

god dos exist.created man but also knew over time,things change and need to evolve.hince darwin(even though i blame him for alot of the racisit problems today).the organic machine we are is too damn choatic and yet designed just to be accidental let alone random

[Giggles_Manically]

As a great man once said "All I know is that I know nothing"

If I had to be labelled it would be an "agnostic"
Guess I find out when I pass on then.

[RAF1940]

Mesina2 wrote...

Surprised no ponies nor Spiderman.

Modifié par RAF1940, 07 juin 2012 - 08:55 .

[Gotholhorakh]

termokanden wrote...

In certain environments and mostly in western countries, atheism is very popular. But you have to remember that on the grand scale of things, most people are still religious.

I can definitely follow your complaints about being harassed for your beliefs. When I was younger, I was very vocal about my atheism. I have become much more tolerant with age luckily as I have come to know more people of different beliefs. I will still speak out when I feel people are pushing their reilgions on others in an unreasonable way, but I have no right to interfere with other people's personal beliefs as long as they're not out there hurting someone..

Aye, and I feel this is the case regardless of one's personal beliefs  - who and what we each choose to love, and how, and why is our own choice and ours alone - it's not something that we should have to explain to anyone, or something that other people should consider "up for debate" and demand justification for.

I think that applies whether it's partners, children, God, whatever. It's not like you change how someone else apportions their heart through criticism.

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Christian Orthodox. I believe in God, the ten commandments, Jesus as the son of God and his teachings. However I also believe that Mohammed was a prophet sent by God and I respect certain things in Islam as well.

I do not believe everything the Church tells us, nor in everything that is written in the Bible.

 
Heh, an equal opportunities approach to heresy across all the Abrahamic faiths (no offence) 

DuckSoup wrote...

There is no solid proof. That is why, even though I believe that there is a God, I can just as easily say that I don't know if he truly exists. I like to believe that he does. But, I also believe in Darwinism. So, because I believe in that, most people would ask "How can you believe in the creation of man by God, when you believe we evolved?" I don't have an answer to that. I just know that I hold two opposing viewpoints. And that's my choice to do so. One I hold in my heart, for reasons I do not know or fully understand, and the other I have come to believe in through research.

 


I think TBH the opposition between science and religion is more an invention of... a minority of loons on one side of the atlantic in particular.

I know a number of Christians and none of them thinks that the bible, written by humans hundreds of years after the lifetime of Christ and shaped by their understanding of the world at the time, in some way overrides everything we subsequently discover and understand about the world.

The great scientists and engineers of the last couple of hundred years, those who were religious, did not think this nonsense or they wouldn't have undertaken their lives' work, innit.

If you ask me (which you didn't, I know ) it's pretty much a fad that harks back to before we could make steam engines.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 07 juin 2012 - 09:07 .

[Volus Warlord]

RAF1940 wrote...

If you don't believe in Darwinism, then at this point you're just an idiot.

Well, there is still loads and loads of weak and stupid people, and that gives me doubts.

[RAF1940]

On a side-note, my space bar is screwing up.