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How many people here are atheist?

Débuté par Capt. Obvious , juin 07 2012 06:52

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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:56

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Siansonea II wrote...

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I take the Neutral ground because if both answers are possibly Wrong.

Then it is better to admit, that we, particularly I, do not know.

I can't believe, to me it is a concept that I can't grasp.

"To think you are right about something without concrete evidence and state it as fact? Surely you are insane?" You may not be, but I can not grasp the concept.


You make the mistake of assuming that the two answers have an EQUAL chance of being wrong. Well, one of the answers has thousands of years of rigorous research and observation to back it up, the other has...stories. There's a reason most courts disallow hearsay as evidence.

But whatever, you have fun dancing on the head of a quantum pin.


Not equal chance, just chance.

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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:57

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Flashflame58 wrote...

A wise person once asked me, "Do you think we're friends? If so, then it's best we don't discuss religion."

Also: "If people just kept what they believe in to themselves, then it would never be a problem."


But what fun would that be? Problems are where people prove their value.

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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:57

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Volus Warlord wrote...

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*snip* 

And yet these tenets are what powers our computers, our cell phones, our televisions, etc., all without the component of "belief". Sure, you can lawyer this argument into existential oblivion through your own brand of circular logic, but what good would that do? 

And the day that every random flight of fancy that people come up with gets to be considered TRUE until DISPROVEN by another person? Please. Go back to Philosophy class.


:lol:Lol. Philosophy is where the inept find self-value.

Science and math have their utilites.  Religion does as well.


Oh, religion has tremendous value. It is one of the most powerful motivators of people there is. And really, religion is just a pretty clown suit for Fear. Because that's what underlies the whole scheme. You're afraid of death, afraid of punishment, afraid of missing out on a reward, it all comes back to fear and a sort of collective narcissism. We are the chosen people! Even though the universe is incomprehensibly vast, even though there are billions upon billions of humans on this wet rock we call home, the one who created it all Only Cares About Us. Puh-leeze, as they say.

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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:58

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Erik Lehnsherr wrote...

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Erik Lehnsherr wrote...

I take the Neutral ground because if both answers are possibly Wrong.

Then it is better to admit, that we, particularly I, do not know.

I can't believe, to me it is a concept that I can't grasp.

"To think you are right about something without concrete evidence and state it as fact? Surely you are insane?" You may not be, but I can not grasp the concept.


You make the mistake of assuming that the two answers have an EQUAL chance of being wrong. Well, one of the answers has thousands of years of rigorous research and observation to back it up, the other has...stories. There's a reason most courts disallow hearsay as evidence.

But whatever, you have fun dancing on the head of a quantum pin.


Not equal chance, just chance.


Oh, well there's a nonzero chance that unicorns are real, so you might not want to take a stand on that one either. See how helpful I am? :innocent:

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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:58

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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:58

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Luc0s wrote...

Thinking somehting is true without hard proof or evidence is the very definition of belief, and we are all guilty of having beliefs, whether we like it or not, it's just human nature to have beliefs.


Yes. Basically you can't prove anything. I guess you can say I have chosen to believe in science because so far that fits what I experience. That is actually pretty much what science is all about:: attempting to explain what the heck is going on around you.

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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:58

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Luc0s wrote...

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There is no solid proof. That is why, even though I believe that there is a God, I can just as easily say that I don't know if he truly exists. I like to believe that he does. But, I also believe in Darwinism. So, because I believe in that, most people would ask "How can you believe in the creation of man by God, when you believe we evolved?" I don't have an answer to that. I just know that I hold two opposing viewpoints. And that's my choice to do so. One I hold in my heart, for reasons I do not know or fully understand, and the other I have come to believe in through research.


Well there is no such thing is "believing in Darwinism", as evolution is pretty much an observed and proven fact. So either you accept it, or you deny it. Saying you believe in Darwinism is like saying you believe in gravity.


Yours is a semantic point.

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Luc0s wrote...

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There is no solid proof. That is why, even though I believe that there is a God, I can just as easily say that I don't know if he truly exists. I like to believe that he does. But, I also believe in Darwinism. So, because I believe in that, most people would ask "How can you believe in the creation of man by God, when you believe we evolved?" I don't have an answer to that. I just know that I hold two opposing viewpoints. And that's my choice to do so. One I hold in my heart, for reasons I do not know or fully understand, and the other I have come to believe in through research.


Well there is no such thing is "believing in Darwinism", as evolution is pretty much an observed and proven fact. So either you accept it, or you deny it. Saying you believe in Darwinism is like saying you believe in gravity.


HEY GUYS!!! I think we found the troll you were talking about... :wizard:

If you hadn't realised, Luc0s, some people choose to believe that Darwinism is a crock of sh*t. Those that do are mostly those who believe in God (mostly - I'm generalising) now, as I believe in God, I choose to believe in the other as well. I know it's a scientific "fact" but to me the other has a stronger pull.

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Yep.

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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 08:59

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Volus Warlord wrote...

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A wise person once asked me, "Do you think we're friends? If so, then it's best we don't discuss religion."

Also: "If people just kept what they believe in to themselves, then it would never be a problem."


But what fun would that be? Problems are where people prove their value.

Because, usually arguing about topics of this nature gets us nowhere, really.

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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 09:01

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Alright, time to flee from this thread before CP catches wind of it and destroys us all.

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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 09:01

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Siansonea II wrote...

Oh, well there's a nonzero chance that unicorns are real, so you might not want to take a stand on that one either. See how helpful I am? :innocent:

Are you trying to imply that unicorns aren't real? That makes my avatar sad.

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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 09:01

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I Wonder if this is what Stanley woo thinks
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Siansonea II wrote...

Oh, well there's a nonzero chance that unicorns are real, so you might not want to take a stand on that one either. See how helpful I am? :innocent:


I actually do take this same viewpoint on everything that has not been proven. 

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DuckSoup wrote...

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Erik Lehnsherr wrote...

I take the Neutral ground because if both answers are possibly Wrong.

Then it is better to admit, that we, particularly I, do not know.

I can't believe, to me it is a concept that I can't grasp.

"To think you are right about something without concrete evidence and state it as fact? Surely you are insane?" You may not be, but I can not grasp the concept.



Surely you there are some things in your life that you've accept to be true on pure faith. In that case, you certainly do or did have a belief.

For example, did you think Santa Claus really existed as a kid? I'm sure you did, most chidren do. If you did think Santa really existed: Could you proof his existence? I'm sure you couldn't. But you did think he was real. So you had a belief. You believed that Santa Claus was real.

Thinking somehting is true without hard proof or evidence is the very definition of belief, and we are all guilty of having beliefs, whether we like it or not, it's just human nature to have beliefs.


Stop forcing your opinion on folks, would you? 

He said he doesn't know what to believe. HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE. He doesn't know and therefore chooses to sit on the fence. He can do that. It's called free will and it's his right to do so. 

Again, in case I wasn't clear enough; HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE IN. 


And will you stop misunderstanding or misrepresenting my comments? It's not his inability to make up his mind on his beliefs what I call him out on, it's these parts what I call him out on:

I take the Neutral ground because if both answers are possibly Wrong.


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I can't believe, to me it is a concept that I can't grasp. 


In the first part he demonstrates that he doesn't even know what "belief" really means.

The second part is just bullcrap. Everyone has beliefs, whether you like it or not, whether you acknowledge it or not. It's part of human nature. Maybe you don't know yet what you believe, what you want to believe or what you should believe. That's fine, I already said that. I have no problem with people who have not yet made up their mind on their beliefs. I'm just saying that this guy keeps misrepresenting the word "belief" and I'm just saying that "I can't believe" is complete bullcrap.

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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 09:02

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Erik Lehnsherr wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Oh, well there's a nonzero chance that unicorns are real, so you might not want to take a stand on that one either. See how helpful I am? :innocent:


I actually do take this same viewpoint on everything that has not been proven. 


And I find that hilarious. It seems you're just a persuasive argument away from believing in literally anything.

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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 09:03

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Unicorns are real by the way. And very mean. Proof by movie: Cabin in the Woods.

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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 09:04

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Erik Lehnsherr wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Oh, well there's a nonzero chance that unicorns are real, so you might not want to take a stand on that one either. See how helpful I am? :innocent:


I actually do take this same viewpoint on everything that has not been proven. 


I'd call it skeptical neutrality. Not aversed to the idea, but the lack of proof simply makes it a moot point.

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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 09:04

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termokanden wrote...

Unicorns are real by the way. And very mean. Proof by movie: Cabin in the Woods.



Yea Unicorns are real.only a fool would not realize this.
and how do you know there mean, they always give me ice cream and pot....oh wait maybe OMG theyre trying to GOD NO.your right

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Flashflame58 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

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A wise person once asked me, "Do you think we're friends? If so, then it's best we don't discuss religion."

Also: "If people just kept what they believe in to themselves, then it would never be a problem."


But what fun would that be? Problems are where people prove their value.

Because, usually arguing about topics of this nature gets us nowhere, really.


We're going to get nowhere either way. :wizard:

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Well there is no such thing is "believing in Darwinism", as evolution is pretty much an observed and proven fact. So either you accept it, or you deny it. Saying you believe in Darwinism is like saying you believe in gravity.


Actually, there's a difference between an observed fact and the theory that tries to explain it.  Yeah, you accept the observed fact that gravity exists (you jump up and come back down and literally, absolutely, definitely SEE that), but all that stuff Einstein came up with to try to explain it is what you choose to believe in (or at least, you know that it works predicitively for all the stuff you've used it for, but as far as what it implies about the nature or reality, I would still consider it choice whether or not you choose to believe in that.)

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But Luc0s, I'm not being funny or anything, but nobody cares if you think it's bullcrap. You're the only one who's been interrogating him about it.
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