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[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I sincerely wanted Portugal to win (many favorite players there) but 'Dat score'!
I was asleep during the second half and next 30 minutes ... so I didn't miss anything.

Poor Ronaldo didn't even have the chance to shoot in the penalty 

Modifié par Imperial Sentinel Arian, 27 juin 2012 - 09:42 .

[OBakaSama]

There was a big hooha about Ronaldo not taking a penalty in the BBC studio; with Shearer saying he should have taken one earlier.

Funny thing is...I distinctly remember a documentary, probably by the BBC, which went into the whole issue of England taking penalties quite a few years ago. During that documentary it turns out that at that time, only the Netherlands were worse at penalties than England with claims that even a group of grandmothers could have beaten the Netherlands on penalties.

The documentary also covered the psychological aspect of penalty taking, and it was suggested that your best penalty taker should go last with the least confident going first. I think you can see the logic behind that thought: the last penalty taker is under the most pressure and must perform, hence the need for your best to go last.

I think Portugal probably had something similar in mind. Problem is...that strategy also requires the other team taking such an approach. If they don't then...well....we've seen what can happen tonight.

[JRCHOharry]

spiros9110 wrote...

That was such a boring game, IMO.

Yeah I was expecting much more from both teams.

[Druss99]

OBakaSama wrote...

There was a big hooha about Ronaldo not taking a penalty in the BBC studio; with Shearer saying he should have taken one earlier.

Funny thing is...I distinctly remember a documentary, probably by the BBC, which went into the whole issue of England taking penalties quite a few years ago. During that documentary it turns out that at that time, only the Netherlands were worse at penalties than England with claims that even a group of grandmothers could have beaten the Netherlands on penalties.

The documentary also covered the psychological aspect of penalty taking, and it was suggested that your best penalty taker should go last with the least confident going first. I think you can see the logic behind that thought: the last penalty taker is under the most pressure and must perform, hence the need for your best to go last.

I think Portugal probably had something similar in mind. Problem is...that strategy also requires the other team taking such an approach. If they don't then...well....we've seen what can happen tonight.

I thought your worst taker going first and your best going last was common practice, I know we used to always do that but I was never told the reasons why other than "Right you're fifth, don't do anything mental." I always just assumed it was the done thing but never really considered it while actually watching penalties or the reasons why other than you always HAD to score your fifth.

I just gave up on last nights match and just changed the channel. There's no need for that level of boredom.

Van Marjwick has quit as Dutch manager after their disastrous campaign.

[Kimosabe]

I wanted to update the scored right after the match, but somewhere during the second half I fell asleep only to wake up this morning..

Van Marwijk quit, it's probably for the best, he is a good coach but not for this national team..
Funny thing: only last week he wanted to stay and said that he lost his faith in Heitinga, Huntelaar and V/d Vaart

[OBakaSama]

On penalties: I think players tend to be of the 'best goes first' mentality as exhibited by Shearer. For them it was very much the epitome of stupidity that Ronaldo....hm....maybe we should start calling 'the Hair Dude'....went first; and that seems to their thought, that the best penalty taker goes first to set the tone (which seems to run the risk that less able takers won't measure up to the standard set; though I guess this allows the 'better' player to then blame the others for not living up to their standards).

Van Marwijk having faith is different to their desire to continue coaching, or whether they were removed from the position (haven't caught up on the news yet). Given the expectations though it does seem like a bad tournament for them, and not surprised he is no longer in charge of the national team.

Ah....football politics....so....how many fines did UEFA dish out during this tournament?

[Kimosabe]

OBakaSama wrote...

On penalties: I think players tend to be of the 'best goes first' mentality as exhibited by Shearer. For them it was very much the epitome of stupidity that Ronaldo....hm....maybe we should start calling 'the Hair Dude'....went first; and that seems to their thought, that the best penalty taker goes first to set the tone (which seems to run the risk that less able takers won't measure up to the standard set; though I guess this allows the 'better' player to then blame the others for not living up to their standards).

Van Marwijk having faith is different to their desire to continue coaching, or whether they were removed from the position (haven't caught up on the news yet). Given the expectations though it does seem like a bad tournament for them, and not surprised he is no longer in charge of the national team.

Ah....football politics....so....how many fines did UEFA dish out during this tournament?

Ego dictates that the best players takes the first penalty, he want to show everybody how it's done, psychology dictates that the least confident players should not take the last penalties. In my opinion: let a good player take the first one because he will most likely score which results in a great boost of morale, if a less confident player takes the first penalty and he misses, morales for everybody (except people with the confidence of the Hair Dude) will be down. The next few doens't really matter, as long as a confident player takes the last one, because another might give in to the pressure

From what I've read/heard Van Marwijk wanted to stay on as coach and I have no doubt that if he had, those three players would lose their places. Most likely the KNVB (Dutch football association) had a private conversations with him strongly urging him to take his resignation

I think that Van Gaal will be the next coach, he's available, he wants to coach the national team and he has a good accomplishment record behind him. The only problem is that he is an crazy idiot..

[Druss99]

I noticed alot of ex-pro's saying that but I think that only works if you're taking the first penalty and the opposition is "weak" mentally, scoring could put him under more pressure, doesn't work if both teams have their best takers going first I suppose. I'd rather be relying on Le Tissier to take the final penalty rather than a bottler like John Terry. I'd argue that Shearer insisting on going first could be a bit of cowardice and not fancying the pressure of going last. Personally I preferred the big pressure ones, going fifth puts hair on your chest. I think letting a weaker taker go first helps moral knowing you have your better takers to come, especially if that first one goes in. Mind you its not exactly rocket science is it? Step up and put your boot through the bloody thing, taking a penalty isn't all that hard to do.

Van Marwijk publicly criticized his own players? Huntelaar did look a lumbering tower of turd in the last two games when he played but you just don't push your own players under the bus.

Wasn't Bendtner the biggest fine for flashing his thunderpants? Is there any team who hasn't been fined?

There goes my 4-0 prediction.

Modifié par Druss99, 28 juin 2012 - 07:11 .

[Naughty Bear]

Balotelli you wonderful bastard!

[Kimosabe]

Already more goals than in the last 2 matches combined:P

[Naughty Bear]

Kimosabe0 wrote...

Already more goals than in the last 2 matches combined:P

And about bloody time!

But still....C'MON ITALY!

[Naughty Bear]

AYGDLHEFHNWHLVNHWBITSBMJPIFXC!!! OMFG., AGAIN! YES YES YES YES YES!

[Kimosabe]

Estebanus is the only one that predicted an Italian win

OBaka, I would have thought that you would have remembered the results of this match from your little book from the future..

[OBakaSama]

*Cough* I misplaced it remember?

[Naughty Bear]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

LOLOLOLOLOL!

Germany is getting a beating.....
Yeah Obaka, what happened?

Congrats in advance Estebanus! Or will the Germans get their revenge in the second half....?

Never. The two goals have affected Germany's moral. Goalkeeper will become desperate and will make mistakes.

Italy will win and i predict Italy will score atleast another goal.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 28 juin 2012 - 08:06 .

[Beerfish]

Quite shocked by the score when I saw it (game still on). I thought Germany was going to steamroll everyone.

[OBakaSama]

At least I was right about those last two results being pear-shaped predictions. I will take solace in that.

So....Spain and Italy for the final. Not really sure if that will be a good match to watch....

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Just pfft, ... the weakness of Deutschland's Defense and superb performance of Buffon caused this.

And my last prediction:
Spania 1 - 0 Italia

? Portugal 1 - 2 Germany

Modifié par Imperial Sentinel Arian, 28 juin 2012 - 09:10 .

[Naughty Bear]

Buffon was just ace.

Italy will win agaisn't Spain, i'm sure of it!

[Druss99]

So with two games left only me and Harry can catch that witch from the future, Obaka. That's only if OBaka and Harry get both results wrong and I get two 15 point predictions. Third place is still up for grabs with several contenders. Second will probably go to Harry or OBaka.

Can Harry pull off a shock? Can Obaka withstand the pressure? Will Arian kill us all for points? Did I turn the oven off? Is Cerrydd an alien? Does Sparrow smell more like oranges or apples? If Kimo was a tree, what kind of tree would he be? These questions and more will be answered after the final!!

There is a third place play off isn't there?

Modifié par Druss99, 28 juin 2012 - 08:50 .

[Chashan]

Chiming in here as well now...

I am a German myself, but having said that, I was mightily amused to see that overhyped bunch getting owned. Gg indeed. Hopefully Balotelli will recover for the finale, should get interesting.

There is a third place play off isn't there?

Nope, there isn't anymore because, according to the FIFA, "not enough people view it".

Bloody retarded it is...

Modifié par Chashan, 28 juin 2012 - 09:25 .