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[balance5050]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Just commenting on other peoples rage....

Gotcha. Love the cyclical feel to it. Other people wind up the poster until they've had enough, and then you have your comment which just addes fuel to the ragey fire. Nice, I like your style.

BTW, for whatever it's worth, you're the peson I like most out of the IT crowd.

LOL! Thanks, I'll do my best to keep it that way because you do analyze these situations quite well.... I really just want the EC to be good. Whether they fix all the things that's wrong individually or throw a big pile of indoctrination on it, I just want it to be good.

Modifié par balance5050, 08 juin 2012 - 09:18 .

[mass perfection]

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[quote]jijeebo wrote...

I really don't get the deal with the second gun loading on top of the first during the destroy ending meaning IT... The same thing happens elsewhere in the game.[/quote]

It's better not to ask, wonder, or opine, as these threads are apparently for the exclusive use of the IT Crowd. Don't you know, the best way to validate a theory is to have no one else offer differing opinions!

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We accept other opinions if there logical and make sense,... but alas...

[/quote]We'd take you guys more serious if you also look for loopholes in your theory.
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Sorry but we do. Countless evidencehas already neen thrown out the window.

masseffectindoctrination.blogspot.com/?m=0



[/quote]It's funny how most of your "evidence" has nothing to do with indoctrination.
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It has to do with the end being a hallucination designed with the purpose of indoctrinating Shepard.

[/quote]Then why would they try to make it so obvious that it's a dream?
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Because its a dream? sorry dont see your point

[/quote]They make it too obvious that it's a dream and shepard might eventually realize it.
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Well your seeing things from shepards prespective. So it you see past the seception you pick destroy.

Those whoe dont would likly favor control/synthesis 

[/quote]Why doon't they just make all three options indoctrinate you?
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They did. Its shepards strong will that created the destroy option.

[/quote]So low EMS and destroying the Collector base makes your willpower strong enough to only give you Destroy?

[Ageless Face]

liggy002 wrote...

  Remember when Bioware decided that they were going to have a gameplay segment in which Shepard was indoctrinated but they didn't know how to implement it alongside dialogue options? What if this is what they did instead to indicate Shepard's indoctrination? What if this is a residue of that sequence that they purposely left in?

   This is not definitive proof but you really should have an open mind about this instead of instantly debunking it as a bug. Sure, I could be wrong, but the difference is that I am open to that possibility and you are not. Why are you not open to the possibility? If you were to open your mind more, you will find that you will see many things that you could not in life.... and I am not just talking about Mass Effect either.

There is no problem to be open to the possibility of the IT. But evidences to it should also fit. It's not the question wether it's a bug. But this evidence just doesn't fit to the IT.

[Lord Goose]

http://tinypic.com/r/4tnl39/6

See? It is either Alliance ship made out of concrete, or parts of the Citadel. Made out of the same concrete.

[balance5050]

mass perfection wrote...
So low EMS and destroying the Collector base makes your willpower strong enough to only give you Destroy?

Yes but your EMS sucks so you're gonna die anyway.

Modifié par balance5050, 08 juin 2012 - 09:20 .

[llbountyhunter]

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

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[quote]TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

[quote]jijeebo wrote...

I really don't get the deal with the second gun loading on top of the first during the destroy ending meaning IT... The same thing happens elsewhere in the game.[/quote]

It's better not to ask, wonder, or opine, as these threads are apparently for the exclusive use of the IT Crowd. Don't you know, the best way to validate a theory is to have no one else offer differing opinions!

[/quote]

We accept other opinions if there logical and make sense,... but alas...

[/quote]We'd take you guys more serious if you also look for loopholes in your theory.
[/quote]

Sorry but we do. Countless evidencehas already neen thrown out the window.

masseffectindoctrination.blogspot.com/?m=0



[/quote]It's funny how most of your "evidence" has nothing to do with indoctrination.
[/quote]

It has to do with the end being a hallucination designed with the purpose of indoctrinating Shepard.

[/quote]Then why would they try to make it so obvious that it's a dream?
[/quote]

Because its a dream? sorry dont see your point

[/quote]They make it too obvious that it's a dream and shepard might eventually realize it.
[/quote]

Well your seeing things from shepards prespective. So it you see past the seception you pick destroy.

Those whoe dont would likly favor control/synthesis 

[/quote]Why doon't they just make all three options indoctrinate you?
[/quote]

They did. Its shepards strong will that created the destroy option.

[/quote]So low EMS and destroying the Collector base makes your willpower strong enough to only give you Destroy?
[/quote]

Yes, because you werent swayed into taking reaper/collector tech.

However those who chose to accept it... 




Also could you snip the text wall convo? Cant do it on myphone...

[mass perfection]

balance5050 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...
So low EMS and destroying the Collector base makes your willpower strong enough to only give you Destroy?

Yes but your EMS sucks so you're gonna die anyway.

How are you going to die anyway when the Reapers think you're dead?

Modifié par mass perfection, 08 juin 2012 - 09:23 .

[balance5050]

mass perfection wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...
So low EMS and destroying the Collector base makes your willpower strong enough to only give you Destroy?

Yes but your EMS sucks so you're gonna die anyway.

How are you going to die anyway when the Reapers think you're dead?

I don't know, a marauder could step on your face?

[llbountyhunter]

Lord Goose wrote...

http://tinypic.com/r/4tnl39/6

See? It is either Alliance ship made out of concrete, or parts of the Citadel. Made out of the same concrete.

Four years ago, different engine. And thisnis a alliance ship not the citadel.

[Ageless Face]

balance5050 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...
So low EMS and destroying the Collector base makes your willpower strong enough to only give you Destroy?

Yes but your EMS sucks so you're gonna die anyway.

From what Shepard will die, though? acording to the IT, No matter what both control and synthesis will surely make Shepard to submit. But if destroy is going against the reaper's will... Why would Shep die?

[KingZayd]

mass perfection wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Does Shepard complain of headaches or buzzing in his ear?

Complain? No...

Headache

Also during the end.

How would you get a headache in a dream?

are you suggesting you can't feel if you're unconscious?

[mass perfection]

balance5050 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...
So low EMS and destroying the Collector base makes your willpower strong enough to only give you Destroy?

Yes but your EMS sucks so you're gonna die anyway.

How are you going to die anyway when the Reapers think you're dead?

I don't know, a marauder could step on your face?

How would high EMS prevent that from happening?

[balance5050]

HagarIshay wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...
So low EMS and destroying the Collector base makes your willpower strong enough to only give you Destroy?

Yes but your EMS sucks so you're gonna die anyway.

From what Shepard will die, though? acording to the IT, No matter what both control and synthesis will surely make Shepard to submit. But if destroy is going against the reaper's will... Why would Shep die?

Tiny EMS means tiny army, so Shepard has less cover while lying unconcious on Earth.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

balance5050 wrote...

I really just want the EC to be good. Whether they fix all the things that's wrong individually or throw a big pile of indoctrination on it, I just want it to be good.

I think that is something we will always be able to agree with. If it's fixed with IT, then huzzah, so long as it makes sense. If they don't, but they still fix it, huzzah. I just want a good ending!

[KingZayd]

HagarIshay wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


Regardless of that he's still rubbing his temple as if he has a headache.....

But it's for sure not throguh indoctrination. Saying Shep has a headach is great. But when we know for sure it has nothing to do with indoc, then there is nothing to it.

prove that it has nothing to do with indoc.

[dreamgazer]

mass perfection wrote...

How would high EMS prevent that from happening?

... Effective Military Strength? As in, better forces?

It's still a game.  There are all sorts of parameters that dictate the lives of every single person in Mass Effect 2, and they're just as rigid and partly-sensical as the EMS scale.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 08 juin 2012 - 09:29 .

[mass perfection]

balance5050 wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...
So low EMS and destroying the Collector base makes your willpower strong enough to only give you Destroy?

Yes but your EMS sucks so you're gonna die anyway.

From what Shepard will die, though? acording to the IT, No matter what both control and synthesis will surely make Shepard to submit. But if destroy is going against the reaper's will... Why would Shep die?

Tiny EMS means tiny army, so Shepard has less cover while lying unconcious on Earth.

But harbinger killed them all.

[llbountyhunter]

HagarIshay wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...
So low EMS and destroying the Collector base makes your willpower strong enough to only give you Destroy?

Yes but your EMS sucks so you're gonna die anyway.

From what Shepard will die, though? acording to the IT, No matter what both control and synthesis will surely make Shepard to submit. But if destroy is going against the reaper's will... Why would Shep die?

Your resitance wasnt strong enough. anyways your asking us things that are going to be in EC...

[Lord Goose]

Tiny EMS means tiny army, so Shepard has less cover while lying unconcious on Earth.

In that case, that's the point already doomed to fail indoctrination? Why just not kill him, if he is meaningless and doomed anyway?

Modifié par Lord Goose, 08 juin 2012 - 09:29 .

[Ageless Face]

balance5050 wrote...


Tiny EMS means tiny army, so Shepard has less cover while lying unconcious on Earth.

So why cotrol and synthesis will make you submit to the reapers on low EMS? Wouldn't you also die of being short from cover? 

[liggy002]

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]llbountyhunter wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]llbountyhunter wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]llbountyhunter wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]balance5050 wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]llbountyhunter wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]llbountyhunter wrote...

[quote]TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

[quote]jijeebo wrote...

I really don't get the deal with the second gun loading on top of the first during the destroy ending meaning IT... The same thing happens elsewhere in the game.[/quote]

It's better not to ask, wonder, or opine, as these threads are apparently for the exclusive use of the IT Crowd. Don't you know, the best way to validate a theory is to have no one else offer differing opinions!

[/quote]

We accept other opinions if there logical and make sense,... but alas...

[/quote]We'd take you guys more serious if you also look for loopholes in your theory.
[/quote]

Sorry but we do. Countless evidencehas already neen thrown out the window.

masseffectindoctrination.blogspot.com/?m=0



[/quote]It's funny how most of your "evidence" has nothing to do with indoctrination.
[/quote]

It has to do with the end being a hallucination designed with the purpose of indoctrinating Shepard.

[/quote]Then why would they try to make it so obvious that it's a dream?
[/quote]

Because its a dream? sorry dont see your point

[/quote]They make it too obvious that it's a dream and shepard might eventually realize it.
[/quote]

Well your seeing things from shepards prespective. So it you see past the seception you pick destroy.

Those whoe dont would likly favor control/synthesis 

[/quote]Why doon't they just make all three options indoctrinate you?
[/quote]

They did. Its shepards strong will that created the destroy option.

[/quote]So low EMS and destroying the Collector base makes your willpower strong enough to only give you Destroy?
[/quote]

   The Red Destroy option to me is a representation of the part of Shepard's mind that wants to destroy the Reapers.  Have you ever thought of why you can only choose Control with low EMS if you chose to save and therefore Control the Collector base?  It's because at low EMS, the part of Shepard's mind that wants to destroy the Reapers does not exist because he chose control in ME2 and his mind is reflecting that.  At higher EMS, even if you chose to Control the Collector base, the Red option is there because EMS is representative of Sheapard's willpower and is mind is now open to openly resisting the Reaper's attempt at indoctrination.

  The breath scene at the end of the Red ending only happens because Shepard's willpower (higher EMS) is strong enough that he is able to wake up and has the fight necessary to take the breath and continue the battle against the Reapers.  In lower EMS scenarios with the Red ending, Shepard lacks the willpower to continue and therefore dies.  The Reapers know that a low EMS Shepard is weak and will die anyway should he choose the Red ending.  You say that a Red only ending debunks the IT theory?  Read my explanation that I just provided.  Also, take into account that a Red only ending would strengthen IT only because Red only taken as a literal ending would mean that at low EMS (when Shepard and his fleets aren't a threat) the Reapers would just give up and suicide themselves - AND THAT MAKES NO SENSE.

  Just really think about what I said.  If you still don't agree, that's fine.  That's your prerogative.

Modifié par liggy002, 08 juin 2012 - 09:31 .

[llbountyhunter]

mass perfection wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...
So low EMS and destroying the Collector base makes your willpower strong enough to only give you Destroy?

Yes but your EMS sucks so you're gonna die anyway.

From what Shepard will die, though? acording to the IT, No matter what both control and synthesis will surely make Shepard to submit. But if destroy is going against the reaper's will... Why would Shep die?

Tiny EMS means tiny army, so Shepard has less cover while lying unconcious on Earth.

But harbinger killed them all.

Several varyations in IT.

The link in my thread explains why he doesnt.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

HagarIshay wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


Tiny EMS means tiny army, so Shepard has less cover while lying unconcious on Earth.

So why cotrol and synthesis will make you submit to the reapers on low EMS? Wouldn't you also die of being short from cover? 

One thing I can see on their side is that if Shepard does submit, then there's no need for the Reaper forces to attack him any more.

[dreamgazer]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

I think that is something we will always be able to agree with. If it's fixed with IT, then huzzah, so long as it makes sense. If they don't, but they still fix it, huzzah. I just want a good ending!

(thumbs up)

If a good, clearer ending comes out of the mix, I don't care in any way, shape form or fashion about what happens in the EC. 

I know what to interpret, and where.

[balance5050]

mass perfection wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...
So low EMS and destroying the Collector base makes your willpower strong enough to only give you Destroy?

Yes but your EMS sucks so you're gonna die anyway.

From what Shepard will die, though? acording to the IT, No matter what both control and synthesis will surely make Shepard to submit. But if destroy is going against the reaper's will... Why would Shep die?

Tiny EMS means tiny army, so Shepard has less cover while lying unconcious on Earth.

But harbinger killed them all.

Not your squaddies, not Anderson, not Coats, obviously there are survivors.....