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[FellishBeast]

Really interesting find, OP. I don't understand what is up with all the irrational hate for IDT, but it makes people look silly. I think we have good evidence. I'm not even 100% convinced it's actually true, but there is more than enough in the game already that I would have no problem accepting it. It's the best option there is right now.

[KingZayd]

HagarIshay wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


Now you're getting it, indoc is the only thing that makes sense!

Nope. Shepard is having a headache because TIM is messing with her mind. It can happen, you see...

Using what? We know he's been studying indoctrination, and we know he was studying at Sanctuary. We know that Sanctuary was a success. There is no evidence of him pursuing some alternative mind-control tech.

[Lord Goose]

It's because at low EMS, the part of Shepard's mind that wants to destroy the Reapers does not exist because he chose control in ME2 and his mind is reflecting that.

Shepard: A threat this big, rules go out the window. If this station can help stop the Reapers, we have to use it

*cough*

Yeah, he is so willing to control them, that he is gonna discard all rules to stop them.

[KingZayd]

mass perfection wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

I really don't get the deal with the second gun loading on top of the first during the destroy ending meaning IT... The same thing happens elsewhere in the game.

It's better not to ask, wonder, or opine, as these threads are apparently for the exclusive use of the IT Crowd. Don't you know, the best way to validate a theory is to have no one else offer differing opinions!

We accept other opinions if there logical and make sense,... but alas...

We'd take you guys more serious if you also look for loopholes in your theory.

Sorry but we do. Countless evidencehas already neen thrown out the window.

masseffectindoctrination.blogspot.com/?m=0

It's funny how most of your "evidence" has nothing to do with indoctrination.

It has to do with the end being a hallucination designed with the purpose of indoctrinating Shepard.

Then why would they try to make it so obvious that it's a dream?

Apparently it's not SO obvious seeing as so many people don't see it.

[balance5050]

HagarIshay wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


Tiny EMS means tiny army, so Shepard has less cover while lying unconcious on Earth.

So why cotrol and synthesis will make you submit to the reapers on low EMS? Wouldn't you also die of being short from cover? 

Well if you have synthesis then your EMS is atleast 3000.... so I really don't know what your point is...

[mass perfection]

balance5050 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...
So low EMS and destroying the Collector base makes your willpower strong enough to only give you Destroy?

Yes but your EMS sucks so you're gonna die anyway.

From what Shepard will die, though? acording to the IT, No matter what both control and synthesis will surely make Shepard to submit. But if destroy is going against the reaper's will... Why would Shep die?

Tiny EMS means tiny army, so Shepard has less cover while lying unconcious on Earth.

But harbinger killed them all.

Not your squaddies, not Anderson, not Coats, obviously there are survivors.....

But they retreated.Also,they're alive in the "dream".Fro all you know they're dead in the real world.

Modifié par mass perfection, 08 juin 2012 - 09:34 .

[liggy002]

FellishBeast wrote...

Really interesting find, OP. I don't understand what is up with all the irrational hate for IDT, but it makes people look silly. I think we have good evidence. I'm not even 100% convinced it's actually true, but there is more than enough in the game already that I would have no problem accepting it. It's the best option there is right now.

Thank you for the comment and thanks for being sensible.  I'm not 100% convinced either but I do find some of what has been proposed in regards to the theory as highly intriguing.

[Ageless Face]

llbountyhunter wrote...


Your resitance wasnt strong enough. anyways your asking us things that are going to be in EC...

But destroy means defying the catalyst, no? Shepard's resistence will be strong either way. 

I'm not asking what will be in the EC. I'm asking why would Shepard die in destroy, but won't die in other chocies at a low EMS.

[Lord Goose]

There is no evidence of him pursuing some alternative mind-control tech.

We could assume, that Reapers cannot be indoctrinated. So, studying just indoctrination wouldn't be enough to control them.
Also, TIM control his troops with Reaper implants, but they still fought with husks on Horizon, proving that they're immune to Reaper's signal.

[llbountyhunter]

Lord Goose wrote...

It's because at low EMS, the part of Shepard's mind that wants to destroy the Reapers does not exist because he chose control in ME2 and his mind is reflecting that.

Shepard: A threat this big, rules go out the window. If this station can help stop the Reapers, we have to use it

*cough*

Yeah, he is so willing to control them, that he is gonna discard all rules to stop them.

Are you using control shepards argument to say controling is a good thing?

[KingZayd]

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

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[quote]mass perfection wrote...

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[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]balance5050 wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

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[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]llbountyhunter wrote...

[quote]TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

[quote]jijeebo wrote...

I really don't get the deal with the second gun loading on top of the first during the destroy ending meaning IT... The same thing happens elsewhere in the game.[/quote]

It's better not to ask, wonder, or opine, as these threads are apparently for the exclusive use of the IT Crowd. Don't you know, the best way to validate a theory is to have no one else offer differing opinions!

[/quote]

We accept other opinions if there logical and make sense,... but alas...

[/quote]We'd take you guys more serious if you also look for loopholes in your theory.
[/quote]

Sorry but we do. Countless evidencehas already neen thrown out the window.

masseffectindoctrination.blogspot.com/?m=0



[/quote]It's funny how most of your "evidence" has nothing to do with indoctrination.
[/quote]

It has to do with the end being a hallucination designed with the purpose of indoctrinating Shepard.

[/quote]Then why would they try to make it so obvious that it's a dream?
[/quote]

Because its a dream? sorry dont see your point

[/quote]They make it too obvious that it's a dream and shepard might eventually realize it.
[/quote]

Well your seeing things from shepards prespective. So it you see past the seception you pick destroy.

Those whoe dont would likly favor control/synthesis 

[/quote]Why doon't they just make all three options indoctrinate you?
[/quote]

That's not how it works. It's the psychology behind the decision that leads to indoctrination. REJECTING destruction of the reapers in favour of other options is the crucial step.

[balance5050]

mass perfection wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...
So low EMS and destroying the Collector base makes your willpower strong enough to only give you Destroy?

Yes but your EMS sucks so you're gonna die anyway.

From what Shepard will die, though? acording to the IT, No matter what both control and synthesis will surely make Shepard to submit. But if destroy is going against the reaper's will... Why would Shep die?

Tiny EMS means tiny army, so Shepard has less cover while lying unconcious on Earth.

But harbinger killed them all.

Not your squaddies, not Anderson, not Coats, obviously there are survivors.....

But they retreated.Also,they're alive in the "dream".Fro all you know they're dead in the real world.

They retreated back to the buildings, they can still provide cover.

They ARE dead in the real world, if you're a bad commander and have tiny EMS.

[Ageless Face]

balance5050 wrote...


Well if you have synthesis then your EMS is atleast 3000.... so I really don't know what your point is...

Okay, then only in control. Woulnd't you die there if you have a low EMS? You won't submit to the reapers. You will be dead before that from lack of cover from enemy fire.

BTW, the fact you have synthesis only at a high EMS should not actually mean the choice is a reward, not a punishment if you picked it?

Modifié par HagarIshay, 08 juin 2012 - 09:38 .

[llbountyhunter]

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


Your resitance wasnt strong enough. anyways your asking us things that are going to be in EC...

But destroy means defying the catalyst, no? Shepard's resistence will be strong either way. 

I'm not asking what will be in the EC. I'm asking why would Shepard die in destroy, but won't die in other chocies at a low EMS.

Your resisting but no to the same degree since your not prepared. 

[liggy002]

Lord Goose wrote...

It's because at low EMS, the part of Shepard's mind that wants to destroy the Reapers does not exist because he chose control in ME2 and his mind is reflecting that.

Shepard: A threat this big, rules go out the window. If this station can help stop the Reapers, we have to use it

*cough*

Yeah, he is so willing to control them, that he is gonna discard all rules to stop them.

He said STOP the Reapers not DESTROY them.  Controlling the Reapers may or may not be Shepard's idea of stopping the Reapers.  Remember also that he is unsure of whether or not he can control them, so he asks Hackett about it and Hackett has to tell him that it would be like Controlling a shark.

Modifié par liggy002, 08 juin 2012 - 09:37 .

[dreamgazer]

HagarIshay wrote...

BTW, the fact you have synthesis only at a high EMS should not actually mean the choice is a reward, not a punishment if you picked it?

EMS, along with establishing military power, dictates the complexity of the Crucible.  Having it as an option is its own reward, but it's not indicative of the "best ending". The R&D was just thorough enough to make it possible.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 08 juin 2012 - 09:41 .

[balance5050]

HagarIshay wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


Well if you have synthesis then your EMS is atleast 3000.... so I really don't know what your point is...

Okay, then only in control.

BTW, the fact you have synthesis only at a high EMS should not actually mean the choice is a reward, not a punishment if you picked it?

The hardest ending to get is Shepard Alive, and you have to pick destroy, an additional reward for not giving in to reapers doctrine at the very least.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

liggy002 wrote...



 he asks Hackett about it and Hackett has to tell him that it would be like Controlling a shark.

You know, I know this isn't related but I think controlling a shark would be cool as all hell.

[llbountyhunter]

HagarIshay wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


Well if you have synthesis then your EMS is atleast 3000.... so I really don't know what your point is...

Okay, then only in control.

BTW, the fact you have synthesis only at a high EMS should not actually mean the choice is a reward, not a punishment if you picked it?

Yeah, its probably a " control" but since you tried hard enough, maybe theres good side to it even though you didnt see past the deception.

[KingZayd]

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]llbountyhunter wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]llbountyhunter wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]llbountyhunter wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]balance5050 wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]llbountyhunter wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]llbountyhunter wrote...

[quote]TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

[quote]jijeebo wrote...

I really don't get the deal with the second gun loading on top of the first during the destroy ending meaning IT... The same thing happens elsewhere in the game.[/quote]

It's better not to ask, wonder, or opine, as these threads are apparently for the exclusive use of the IT Crowd. Don't you know, the best way to validate a theory is to have no one else offer differing opinions!

[/quote]

We accept other opinions if there logical and make sense,... but alas...

[/quote]We'd take you guys more serious if you also look for loopholes in your theory.
[/quote]

Sorry but we do. Countless evidencehas already neen thrown out the window.

masseffectindoctrination.blogspot.com/?m=0



[/quote]It's funny how most of your "evidence" has nothing to do with indoctrination.
[/quote]

It has to do with the end being a hallucination designed with the purpose of indoctrinating Shepard.

[/quote]Then why would they try to make it so obvious that it's a dream?
[/quote]

Because its a dream? sorry dont see your point

[/quote]They make it too obvious that it's a dream and shepard might eventually realize it.
[/quote]

Well your seeing things from shepards prespective. So it you see past the seception you pick destroy.

Those whoe dont would likly favor control/synthesis 

[/quote]Why doon't they just make all three options indoctrinate you?
[/quote]

They did. Its shepards strong will that created the destroy option.

[/quote]So low EMS and destroying the Collector base makes your willpower strong enough to only give you Destroy?
[/quote]

It makes you Vega Shepard. So stubborn and fixated on returning to Earth to fight the reapers that you rushed everything else. This dream takes place inside your mind, and is constructed using it. Congratulations, you beat indoctrination. Good luck reaching the Control Panel for real!

[liggy002]

The point of my explanation in regards to the Red only ending: EMS = Shepard's willpower and the ending is a reflection of his mind (did he choose to Control or Destroy the Collector base?)

[balance5050]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

liggy002 wrote...



 he asks Hackett about it and Hackett has to tell him that it would be like Controlling a shark.

You know, I know this isn't related but I think controlling a shark would be cool as all hell.

Especially if they had lasers attached to their head.

[KingZayd]

mass perfection wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...
So low EMS and destroying the Collector base makes your willpower strong enough to only give you Destroy?

Yes but your EMS sucks so you're gonna die anyway.

How are you going to die anyway when the Reapers think you're dead?

You don't expect to beat the reapers while lying down in London do you? Getting up and trying to get to the Citadel and then the Master Control kinda gives it away that you're still alive.

[Ageless Face]

dreamgazer wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

BTW, the fact you have synthesis only at a high EMS should not actually mean the choice is a reward, not a punishment if you picked it?

EMS, along with military power, dictates the complexity of the Crucible.  Having it as an option is its own reward, but it's not indicative of the "best ending". The R&D was just thorough enough to make it possible.

I know it's not the best ending. None of them are. But the fact you have it becuase you were awsome to get a high EMS means that synthesis is a reward choice. It should not be a punishment having the choice if you pick it.

[KingZayd]

mass perfection wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...
So low EMS and destroying the Collector base makes your willpower strong enough to only give you Destroy?

Yes but your EMS sucks so you're gonna die anyway.

How are you going to die anyway when the Reapers think you're dead?

I don't know, a marauder could step on your face?

How would high EMS prevent that from happening?

Allies protecting your body. Allies which are missing if you have low EMS