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[Taboo]

dreamgazer wrote...

You're not just interpreting art here, though; you're interpreting a narrative based on pre-established elements in the arc. It's not like Rorschach tests or looking at clouds. There's plenty of basis in the story we're working with.

It's not straw-grasping flights of lunacy where folks are making sense of anything and everything. There's assuredly an anchor.

Yes. But at some point even you have to admit the IT people dip a little..too far into the rabbit hole.

I saw you talking about Mulholland Drive. That's a great comparison for the most part. I thought Inland Empire would be a bit better, but I thought the length was a bit much for people.

Inland Empire is about WHATEVER you want it to be.

[Jostle]

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

You're not just interpreting art here, though; you're interpreting a narrative based on pre-established elements in the arc. It's not like Rorschach tests or looking at clouds. There's plenty of basis in the story we're working with.

It's not straw-grasping flights of lunacy where folks are making sense of anything and everything. There's assuredly an anchor.

Yes. But at some point even you have to admit the IT people dip a little..too far into the rabbit hole.

I saw you talking about Mulholland Drive. That's a great comparison for the most part. I thought Inland Empire would be a bit better, but I thought the length was a bit much for people.

Inland Empire is about WHATEVER you want it to be.

Mulholland Drive scared the **** out of me.

[KingZayd]

dreamgazer wrote...

You're not just interpreting art here, though; you're interpreting a narrative based on pre-established elements in the arc. It's not like Rorschach tests or looking at clouds. There's plenty of basis in the story we're working with.

It's not straw-grasping flights of lunacy where folks are making sense of anything and everything. There's assuredly an anchor.

exactly. For example, look at the "A song of Ice and Fire" series. There have been loads of interpretations made throughout, many of which have turned out to be wrong.

Even so, I have to take issue with the idea that there can be no misinterpretation in art. If I was to look at Van Gogh's sunflower painting and interpret "Boobs", I would probably be wrong, and if Van Gogh was around, he could be there to confirm that.

[Taboo]

It can be boobs if you want it to be.

You can totally say the flower represents female sexuality.

They can't take it away from you.

[KingZayd]

Taboo-XX wrote...

It can be boobs if you want it to be.

You can totally say the flower represents female sexuality.

They can't take it away from you.

This is the side of art I've never been able to like. For me art means creativity, particularly that of its creator, not "Oh there are no wrong answers!"

[dreamgazer]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yes. But at some point even you have to admit the IT people dip a little..too far into the rabbit hole.

I saw you talking about Mulholland Drive. That's a great comparison for the most part. I thought Inland Empire would be a bit better, but I thought the length was a bit much for people.

Inland Empire is about WHATEVER you want it to be.

No denying that, but all groups have their outliers. Doesn't take away from the validity of the core idea.

I heart Mulholland Drive. It still doesn't completely make sense to me after screening it a little less than ten times, though I'm about 95% there---and I don't think you're supposed to have that other 5%. That little slice of remaining enigma is enough to keep pulling me back in and remain entranced. And, uh, Naomi Watts. Gorgeous movie, mysterious, interpretive out the wazoo, and such a fierce tonal rollercoaster.

Me and Inland Empire have ... problems. And that's actually (part of) the reason why I focus on Mulholland Drive when chatting about the idea of indoctrination in the game: it's interpreting clues towards a specific goal, that being indoctrination's in Shepard's system.

[dreamgazer]

KingZayd wrote...

exactly. For example, look at the "A song of Ice and Fire" series. There have been loads of interpretations made throughout, many of which have turned out to be wrong.

Even so, I have to take issue with the idea that there can be no misinterpretation in art. If I was to look at Van Gogh's sunflower painting and interpret "Boobs", I would probably be wrong, and if Van Gogh was around, he could be there to confirm that.

I came > this < close to starting a topic about the red comet in the second book and how it pertains to anchored, valid interpretation. But I got busy with work. (laughs)

That's part of why the second book is my favorite.  That, and how they actually made the politics and world of Westeros work after ... well, after what happend at the end of the first book.

 :innocent:

[Taboo]

You know what David Lynch contributes to the success of Inland Empire? Cheese.

Cheese.

And he loves to tell people about it. Google it.

I think people have come up with a general consensus about Mulholland Drive though, and I even know people that have cut the film together in the order that they think it happens.

I actually prefer Lost Highway though. That has any numbers of interpretations. I think part of it it is in Bill Pullman's head.

I support interpretations. ALL interpretations.

[Makrys]

 Whedon's words are genius and I'll just leave them here.

"All worthy work is open to interpretations the author did not intend. Art isn't your pet -- it's your kid. It grows up and talks back to you." - Joss the Boss Whedon

Modifié par Makrys, 09 juin 2012 - 01:04 .

[Taboo]

Makrys wrote...

 Whedon's words are genius and I'll just leave them here.

"All worthy work is open to interpretations the author did not intend. Art isn't your pet -- it's your kid. It grows up and talks back to you." - Joss the Boss Whedon

This.

Am I bad person for not seeing anything he's done except The Avengers?

[SackofCat]

Does anybody actually believe that "Weapon Bob" is evidence that Shepard is being indoctrinated?

How is it even relevant to indoctrination?

No, I'm afraid that if anything, this is another compelling point to the Intoxication Theorists.

[xsdob]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You know what David Lynch contributes to the success of Inland Empire? Cheese.

Cheese.

And he loves to tell people about it. Google it.

I think people have come up with a general consensus about Mulholland Drive though, and I even know people that have cut the film together in the order that they think it happens.

I actually prefer Lost Highway though. That has any numbers of interpretations. I think part of it it is in Bill Pullman's head.

I support interpretations. ALL interpretations.

David lynch is a great director.

Eraserhead was creppy and probably the movie I hated the most, blue velvet was his most normal work I've seen so far and pretty good.

Haven't watched dune yet so no comment there, and wild at heart has nick cage acting like the hyperactive madman I enjoy watching on screen, so kudos there.

Can't really think of a director who can dive into so many different styles and genre's of movies and still make them good or at least do what they're suppose to do.

[dreamgazer]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Am I bad person for not seeing anything he's done except The Avengers?

Oh, you've probably seen something he wrote without knowing it.

[xsdob]

dreamgazer wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Am I bad person for not seeing anything he's done except The Avengers?

Oh, you've probably seen something he wrote without knowing it.

Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog was great.

[Taboo]

dreamgazer wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Am I bad person for not seeing anything he's done except The Avengers?

Oh, you've probably seen something he wrote without knowing it.

Alien Resurrection. :sick:

That wasn't his fault though.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 09 juin 2012 - 01:11 .

[xsdob]

^ why must you jump to his worst movie first?

[KingZayd]

dreamgazer wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

exactly. For example, look at the "A song of Ice and Fire" series. There have been loads of interpretations made throughout, many of which have turned out to be wrong.

Even so, I have to take issue with the idea that there can be no misinterpretation in art. If I was to look at Van Gogh's sunflower painting and interpret "Boobs", I would probably be wrong, and if Van Gogh was around, he could be there to confirm that.

I came > this < close to starting a topic about the red comet in the second book and how it pertains to anchored, valid interpretation. But I got busy with work. (laughs)

That's part of why the second book is my favorite.  That, and how they actually made the politics and world of Westeros work after ... well, after what happend at the end of the first book.

 :innocent:

Yeah, after reading Game of Thrones, I expected the usual "sequel not as good as the original" problem. Thankfully I was wrong. It was so much better. I wish the TV show's second season had followed the books more.. Daenerys's story was butchered, nerfed Arya's dark/awesome changes and they merged Reek with Dagmer Cleftjaw. At least the King's landing parts were done brilliantly, particularly the battle of Blackwater Bay. The second book was better than the first, but the first season was better than the second.

GRRM's handling of the world's politics is masterful. And the second book is definitely one of my favourites, but I think book 3 is even better.

Hmm.. I'm wondering now if maybe the events are in some way influenced by the comet's presence, rather than the comet being a sign of something else? There do seem to be a lot of the weird magical things appearing at similar times, and the comet appears just before the dragons.

Alternatively the comet means "boobs"

Modifié par KingZayd, 09 juin 2012 - 01:13 .

[dreamgazer]

SackofCat wrote...

Does anybody actually believe that "Weapon Bob" is evidence that Shepard is being indoctrinated?

I believe that the movement in Priority: Earth is purposely there to disorient the viewer, and that it's an example of BioWare implementing a sensory device to heighten the worn-down mood.  

Evidence towards indoctrination? Perhaps not, but it does suggest that BioWare wants to enhance your disorientation before going up the chute. There are more convincing altered-reality moments in the storm towards the conduit that carry more weight towards getting at indoctrination, but it's a pretty solid atmospheric facilitating device. 

[Makrys]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Makrys wrote...

 Whedon's words are genius and I'll just leave them here.

"All worthy work is open to interpretations the author did not intend. Art isn't your pet -- it's your kid. It grows up and talks back to you." - Joss the Boss Whedon

This.

Am I bad person for not seeing anything he's done except The Avengers?

Very bad. How the hell have you not seen Firefly?! Get with it, man.

[Taboo]

Makrys wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Makrys wrote...

 Whedon's words are genius and I'll just leave them here.

"All worthy work is open to interpretations the author did not intend. Art isn't your pet -- it's your kid. It grows up and talks back to you." - Joss the Boss Whedon

This.

Am I bad person for not seeing anything he's done except The Avengers?

Very bad. How the hell have you not seen Firefly?! Get with it, man.

I work so much that I can only really watch things between work. I SUPPOSE I could go buy the Blu-Ray of the entire thing at some point in the near future.

[KingZayd]

Makrys wrote...

 Whedon's words are genius and I'll just leave them here.

"All worthy work is open to interpretations the author did not intend. Art isn't your pet -- it's your kid. It grows up and talks back to you." - Joss the Boss Whedon

It's open to interpretation, but it doesn't necessarily mean that all interpretations are valid. The interpretation that Shepard is a Rachni in disguise would be problematic.

[dreamgazer]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Alien Resurrection. :sick:

That wasn't his fault though.

No, that's a result of putting the director of City of Lost Children at the helm of a hardcore science-fiction movie.  

Jeunet's visually inventive, and he can go dark (I love Delicatessen), but he doesn't belong in that realm.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 09 juin 2012 - 01:17 .

[KingZayd]

Makrys wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Makrys wrote...

 Whedon's words are genius and I'll just leave them here.

"All worthy work is open to interpretations the author did not intend. Art isn't your pet -- it's your kid. It grows up and talks back to you." - Joss the Boss Whedon

This.

Am I bad person for not seeing anything he's done except The Avengers?

Very bad. How the hell have you not seen Firefly?! Get with it, man.

+infinity.. and beyond!

Then watch Serenity. Now THAT'S how you end a series.

[The Invisible Commando]

KingZayd wrote...

Makrys wrote...

 Whedon's words are genius and I'll just leave them here.

"All worthy work is open to interpretations the author did not intend. Art isn't your pet -- it's your kid. It grows up and talks back to you." - Joss the Boss Whedon

It's open to interpretation, but it doesn't necessarily mean that all interpretations are valid. The interpretation that Shepard is a Rachni in disguise would be problematic.

That made me smile. I think what Joss means is things like theorising on a characters motives and such. Not a total rewrite of the script.

Modifié par The Invisible Commando, 09 juin 2012 - 01:20 .

[Makrys]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Makrys wrote...

 Whedon's words are genius and I'll just leave them here.

"All worthy work is open to interpretations the author did not intend. Art isn't your pet -- it's your kid. It grows up and talks back to you." - Joss the Boss Whedon

This.

Am I bad person for not seeing anything he's done except The Avengers?

Very bad. How the hell have you not seen Firefly?! Get with it, man.

I work so much that I can only really watch things between work. I SUPPOSE I could go buy the Blu-Ray of the entire thing at some point in the near future.

If you have time to play Mass Effect at some point, you have time to watch Firefly. Make it happen. You won't regret it. And once you have, you'll understand why its so gorram shiny.