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[xsdob]

Screw it, I don't care at this point.

Indoctrination, intoxication, inebriation, incineration, inceptionation, quantum teleportation.

Beliveve what you want, what bioware will do it will do, doesn't matter which ending theory is confirmed or denied, just have something that can be easily seen by fans who download the EC bioware, just make us able to notice the changes without needing this much diving to do it.

[balance5050]

That bob is an indicator of something for sure.... I'm actually starting to become convinced that Priority Earth is the beginning of Shep's descent into indoctrination. The Place is swarming with reapers.

[Jonata]

 

[balance5050]

It is strange that it happen no where else in the game besides Earth....

[antares_sublight]

After ME3, I don't give BioWare enough credit to be able to come up with something this intricate. The overwhelming plot holes and inconsistencies throughout the game mean the only answer is BioWare simply did a horrible job in countless ways.

[balance5050]

It's strange because most of the "plot-holes" seem to be pointed clues for indoctrination.

Modifié par balance5050, 08 juin 2012 - 06:43 .

[Ageless Face]

balance5050 wrote...

It's strange because most of the "plot-holes" seem to be pointed clues for indoctrination.

Maybe you could answer this to me balance.
Why in ME2 arrival the weapon bobbing didn't happen when Harbinger tried to take control of Shep? 

[Makrys]

HagarIshay wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's strange because most of the "plot-holes" seem to be pointed clues for indoctrination.

Maybe you could answer this to me balance.
Why in ME2 arrival the weapon bobbing didn't happen when Harbinger tried to take control of Shep? 

Maybe it simply wasn't a design element they thought of until ME3? Seriously. Its not that big of a deal, and does nothing to disprove it. Get over it.

You could also say the effects on Shepard were not strong enough until ME3. Hence when he starts hallucinating and dreaming about the child. So, the extreme mental effects did not take a toll on him until ME3.

The main thing about Arrival is that Shepard was in DIRECT contact with a Reaper Artifact. And throughout the lore, this almost definitely means that the subject will slowly be indoctrinated. We saw the same thing with TIM. The end is the Reaper's last chance to reel him in.

Modifié par Makrys, 08 juin 2012 - 06:55 .

[balance5050]

HagarIshay wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's strange because most of the "plot-holes" seem to be pointed clues for indoctrination.

Maybe you could answer this to me balance.
Why in ME2 arrival the weapon bobbing didn't happen when Harbinger tried to take control of Shep? 

The hell? that was one of the first attempts at indoctrinating Shepard, they realised soon after that they were going to have to use a more subliminal method.....'

Project Rho was just the first significant indoctrination wave, if all the time in the collector base and the derelict reaper wasn't enough.

Modifié par balance5050, 08 juin 2012 - 06:54 .

[Ageless Face]

Makrys wrote...

Maybe it simply wasn't a design element they thought of until ME3? Seriously. Its not that big of a deal, and does nothing to disprove it. Get over it.

The IT is basing itself on the most subtle of clues. Even just a tiny remark two games ago, or color of the eyes. BioWare needs to make things fit. If it wasn't done in ME2 Arrival, when it should have been, then there is no reason for it to be in ME3. It disprove the this evidence, even if you don't like it.

[antares_sublight]

balance5050 wrote...

It's strange because most of the "plot-holes" seem to be pointed clues for indoctrination.

As much as I would like IT to be true because it would mean the endings weren't as horrible as they were... there are large fundamental plot holes in ME3 that couldn't be clues for indoctrination.

ME3 has proved that BioWare is simply too inept to pull off something like that.

[Makrys]

HagarIshay wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Maybe it simply wasn't a design element they thought of until ME3? Seriously. Its not that big of a deal, and does nothing to disprove it. Get over it.

The IT is basing itself on the most subtle of clues. Even just a tiny remark two games ago, or color of the eyes. BioWare needs to make things fit. If it wasn't done in ME2 Arrival, when it should have been, then there is no reason for it to be in ME3. It disprove the this evidence, even if you don't like it.

You are being ignorant and refusing to see what is before you. It doesn't disprove anything, even if you want it to. Like I said, simple design element they added in ME3. Just because it wasn't in ME2 says absolutely nothing.

Modifié par Makrys, 08 juin 2012 - 06:57 .

[balance5050]

HagarIshay wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Maybe it simply wasn't a design element they thought of until ME3? Seriously. Its not that big of a deal, and does nothing to disprove it. Get over it.

The IT is basing itself on the most subtle of clues. Even just a tiny remark two games ago, or color of the eyes. BioWare needs to make things fit. If it wasn't done in ME2 Arrival, when it should have been, then there is no reason for it to be in ME3. It disprove the this evidence, even if you don't like it.

I wish I understood the way your mind works, then I would understand how that makes any sense.... Indoctrination is different for everyone and different indoc methods would yield different results....

Modifié par balance5050, 08 juin 2012 - 06:58 .

[balance5050]

antares_sublight wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's strange because most of the "plot-holes" seem to be pointed clues for indoctrination.

As much as I would like IT to be true because it would mean the endings weren't as horrible as they were... there are large fundamental plot holes in ME3 that couldn't be clues for indoctrination.

ME3 has proved that BioWare is simply too inept to pull off something like that.

Like?

[GFOX7]

Wow we're really getting desperate now.

[Ageless Face]

Makrys wrote...


You could also say the effects on Shepard were not strong enough until ME3. Hence when he starts hallucinating and dreaming about the child. So, the extreme mental effects did not take a toll on him until ME3.

The main thing about Arrival is that Shepard was in DIRECT contact with a Reaper Artifact. And throughout the lore, this almost definitely means that the subject will slowly be indoctrinated. We saw the same thing with TIM. The end is the Reaper's last chance to reel him in.

That is not important. I don't mean if the artifact actually indoc Shepard or not at the time. I mean that was a direct conact with the artifact and Harby tried to control Shepard. And there was NO weapon bobing.

[balance5050]

GFOX7 wrote...

Wow we're really getting desperate now.

Who's desperate? We're getting an announcement between July 12-15.

Modifié par balance5050, 08 juin 2012 - 07:02 .

[balance5050]

HagarIshay wrote...

Makrys wrote...


You could also say the effects on Shepard were not strong enough until ME3. Hence when he starts hallucinating and dreaming about the child. So, the extreme mental effects did not take a toll on him until ME3.

The main thing about Arrival is that Shepard was in DIRECT contact with a Reaper Artifact. And throughout the lore, this almost definitely means that the subject will slowly be indoctrinated. We saw the same thing with TIM. The end is the Reaper's last chance to reel him in.

That is not important. I don't mean if the artifact actually indoc Shepard or not at the time. I mean that was a direct conact with the artifact and Harby tried to control Shepard. And there was NO weapon bobing.

Indoctrination is a process, obvously the weapon bob comes in at a later stage...

[Makrys]

HagarIshay wrote...

Makrys wrote...


You could also say the effects on Shepard were not strong enough until ME3. Hence when he starts hallucinating and dreaming about the child. So, the extreme mental effects did not take a toll on him until ME3.

The main thing about Arrival is that Shepard was in DIRECT contact with a Reaper Artifact. And throughout the lore, this almost definitely means that the subject will slowly be indoctrinated. We saw the same thing with TIM. The end is the Reaper's last chance to reel him in.

That is not important. I don't mean if the artifact actually indoc Shepard or not at the time. I mean that was a direct conact with the artifact and Harby tried to control Shepard. And there was NO weapon bobing.

Like I said, something they thought of to throw in ME3. Most of the clues to the IT are in ME3 because that is when the effects really begin to kick in on Shepard. The weapon bobbing thing, I consider to be a result of a tired mind. A clue that Shepard is dizzy, struggling, weak mentally. Something IS going on in his mind, and its hard for him to focus. Thats all I take away from the weapon bob. It doesnt have to be present in Arrival for it to make sense.

Modifié par Makrys, 08 juin 2012 - 07:04 .

[antares_sublight]

balance5050 wrote...

antares_sublight wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's strange because most of the "plot-holes" seem to be pointed clues for indoctrination.

As much as I would like IT to be true because it would mean the endings weren't as horrible as they were... there are large fundamental plot holes in ME3 that couldn't be clues for indoctrination.

ME3 has proved that BioWare is simply too inept to pull off something like that.

Like?

The reapers not utilizing the catalyst/citadel in their usual way and attacking the Citadel first, as an example. That's a huge plot hole that has nothing to do with Shepard directly.

[Ageless Face]

balance5050 wrote...


I wish I understood the way your mind works, then I would understand how that makes any sense.... Indoctrination is different for everyone and different indoc methods would yield different results....

You can't understand my mind. It's too subtle and amazing to a mear human to try and comprehend .

Harbinger did a direct contact with Shepard's mind. Wether it affected afterwards is unknown for now. But still while we played, there wasn't any weapon bobing. There should have been if Harby tried to take control of Shepard.

[balance5050]

antares_sublight wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

antares_sublight wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's strange because most of the "plot-holes" seem to be pointed clues for indoctrination.

As much as I would like IT to be true because it would mean the endings weren't as horrible as they were... there are large fundamental plot holes in ME3 that couldn't be clues for indoctrination.

ME3 has proved that BioWare is simply too inept to pull off something like that.

Like?

The reapers not utilizing the catalyst/citadel in their usual way and attacking the Citadel first, as an example. That's a huge plot hole that has nothing to do with Shepard directly.

The entire point of ME1 was to show why the reapers couldn't do that. Saren's entire purpose was to open up the citadel arm so that Sovereign could reach the presidium tower and let them through.

If the reapers show up we just close the Citadel arms as per usual and then they would be forced to destroy their own creation, which they obviously need.

Modifié par balance5050, 08 juin 2012 - 07:10 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Fingertrip wrote...

An uneducated newcomer to the Mass Effect franchise

Go back to CoD please.

Wrong on both assumptions I'm afraid.
Or should I say all three? <_<

[SubAstris]

Makrys wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's strange because most of the "plot-holes" seem to be pointed clues for indoctrination.

Maybe you could answer this to me balance.
Why in ME2 arrival the weapon bobbing didn't happen when Harbinger tried to take control of Shep? 

Maybe it simply wasn't a design element they thought of until ME3? Seriously. Its not that big of a deal, and does nothing to disprove it. Get over it.

So you are saying BW was lazy/bad writing? I thought you didn't accept those answers?

[balance5050]

HagarIshay wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


I wish I understood the way your mind works, then I would understand how that makes any sense.... Indoctrination is different for everyone and different indoc methods would yield different results....

You can't understand my mind. It's too subtle and amazing to a mear human to try and comprehend .

Harbinger did a direct contact with Shepard's mind. Wether it affected afterwards is unknown for now. But still while we played, there wasn't any weapon bobing. There should have been if Harby tried to take control of Shepard.

The effects of indoctrination is permanent.

http://masseffect.wi.../Indoctrination 

Modifié par balance5050, 08 juin 2012 - 07:09 .