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[KingZayd]

balance5050 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Well clearly they don't NEED it, (unless you count the Starchild as something they need), but they did make it rather indestructible on the outside when closed up for some reason. 

They could need it for the next cycle. It is like the greatest trap ever. I doub't they want to use resources to make another (Some think that the crucible itself is a reaper trap.)

Yeah it's definitely useful for them, but clearly they're capable of entering the Milky Way without it.

You're right about that, I guess they don't NEED it but I think it's still valuable to them.

Yeah, and I'm pretty sure they believe (with good reason) that they can win quite easily without attacking it from the get-go.

Modifié par KingZayd, 08 juin 2012 - 07:49 .

[llbountyhunter]

HagarIshay wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


Shepard hears footsteps in his cabin, certain areas of the ship DO have ultrasonic and infrasonic noise.

Most importantly the dreams, which we learn from the scientists on the derelict reaper is a HUGE indicator. In London your crewmates ask if you're ok because "you don't look so good"

And to be fair the final citadel scenes has pretty much all the effects described including headpains.

Footseteps?  Where and when? Any footseteps are not indoctrination noises. And the only noices I hear in the rest of the Normandy is of the crew and their use of their terminals or something. Using the tech stuff on the ship.

you know, people tend to have bad dreams when they are in stress. In ME1, Shepard is can remark for Liara s/he had bad bad dreams. 

And of course Shepard doesn't look good. From the same reason the squad themselves don't look good (or not sounding good, at least).

True, it doesnt confirm IT, it would just support if it were true.

Try attaking some of ITs main pillars... like shepards srvival of the citadel explsion and edning up on earth?

[MaximizedAction]

HagarIshay wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...


We do hear noises and headaches: www.youtube.com/watch Listen closely!

We only hear those noises near the reapers and the dreams, no ? Why don't Shepard hear those noices just while s/he is walking in the streets of the citadel or at the Normandy? Indoctrination suppose to always be there in the backround.

And there are no headcaches that were mentioned.

It makes sense to assume that the Reapers can get into Shepards head the best when he's his weakest. Besides, as balance5050 mentioned, a BSN user named TSA_383 found a ~15 Hz sound buried in the Normandy sound background. The human ear cannot hear it directly but such low frequencies are known to have psychological effects on some people.
This is of course not directly mentioned in the codex on indoctrination, but if you look up the effects of infrasonic sound on humans :

One study has suggested that infrasound may cause feelings of awe or fear in humans. It was also suggested that since it is not consciously perceived, it can make people feel vaguely that supernatural events are taking place.

That however strongly resembles the condex entry on indoctrination.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 08 juin 2012 - 07:39 .

[balance5050]

HagarIshay wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


Shepard hears footsteps in his cabin, certain areas of the ship DO have ultrasonic and infrasonic noise.

Most importantly the dreams, which we learn from the scientists on the derelict reaper is a HUGE indicator. In London your crewmates ask if you're ok because "you don't look so good"

And to be fair the final citadel scenes has pretty much all the effects described including headpains.

Footseteps?  Where and when? Any footseteps are not indoctrination noises. And the only noices I hear in the rest of the Normandy is of the crew and their use of their terminals or something. Using the tech stuff on the ship.

you know, people tend to have bad dreams when they are in stress. In ME1, Shepard is can remark for Liara s/he had bad bad dreams. 

And of course Shepard doesn't look good. From the same reason the squad themselves don't look good (or not sounding good, at least).

 

There's youtube videos that they put a cadet walking under the floor in your cabin only SOMETIMES, just for a footstep SFX.

And again, whispers, head aches, infra and ultra sonic noises, viewing reapers as superstitious entities, all classic indoc symptoms and we see them all during the final moments of the game.

Modifié par balance5050, 08 juin 2012 - 07:43 .

[SubAstris]

llbountyhunter wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


Shepard hears footsteps in his cabin, certain areas of the ship DO have ultrasonic and infrasonic noise.

Most importantly the dreams, which we learn from the scientists on the derelict reaper is a HUGE indicator. In London your crewmates ask if you're ok because "you don't look so good"

And to be fair the final citadel scenes has pretty much all the effects described including headpains.

Footseteps?  Where and when? Any footseteps are not indoctrination noises. And the only noices I hear in the rest of the Normandy is of the crew and their use of their terminals or something. Using the tech stuff on the ship.

you know, people tend to have bad dreams when they are in stress. In ME1, Shepard is can remark for Liara s/he had bad bad dreams. 

And of course Shepard doesn't look good. From the same reason the squad themselves don't look good (or not sounding good, at least).

True, it doesnt confirm IT, it would just support if it were true.

Try attaking some of ITs main pillars... like shepards srvival of the citadel explsion and edning up on earth?

As if indeed it is confirmed that Shepard is on Earth?

[Ageless Face]

llbountyhunter wrote...


True, it doesnt confirm IT, it would just support if it were true.

Try attaking some of ITs main pillars... like shepards srvival of the citadel explsion and edning up on earth?

The cables. 

[balance5050]

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


True, it doesnt confirm IT, it would just support if it were true.

Try attaking some of ITs main pillars... like shepards srvival of the citadel explsion and edning up on earth?

The cables. 

The concrete and the explosion and the color and the Mako.

[Lord Goose]

I'm pretty sure that if you dig any game deep enough you will find sound, which human ear cannot hear at all.

Methodology of such research... Seriously, using it, I can probably find evidences for indoctrination in almost every videogame.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

llbountyhunter wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


Shepard hears footsteps in his cabin, certain areas of the ship DO have ultrasonic and infrasonic noise.

Most importantly the dreams, which we learn from the scientists on the derelict reaper is a HUGE indicator. In London your crewmates ask if you're ok because "you don't look so good"

And to be fair the final citadel scenes has pretty much all the effects described including headpains.

Footseteps?  Where and when? Any footseteps are not indoctrination noises. And the only noices I hear in the rest of the Normandy is of the crew and their use of their terminals or something. Using the tech stuff on the ship.

you know, people tend to have bad dreams when they are in stress. In ME1, Shepard is can remark for Liara s/he had bad bad dreams. 

And of course Shepard doesn't look good. From the same reason the squad themselves don't look good (or not sounding good, at least).

True, it doesnt confirm IT, it would just support if it were true.

Try attaking some of ITs main pillars... like shepards srvival of the citadel explsion and edning up on earth?

For me, the biggest argument is just that it's a video game. Video gamey, impossible stuff happens all the time, even for more 'realistic' games. I mean, Shepard suffocated to death before hitting the atmosphere of a planet, and was somehow scrapped back together and put back together exactly has he was before mentally, which imo is pretty impossible. Even a clone would have been absurd considering the damage that had to have been done to Shep's brain upon suffocation, much less entry into atmosphere and then smacking into a planet.


It's nice to have hope and create a somewhat decent fan theory in light of a terrible ending, but making that kind of argument is like pretending that this isn't just a video game.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

I'd like to ask, how exactly does Shepard break free of indoctrination? What gives him the special ability to do what no organic (excluding Shiala, of course) has ever done before? I mean, really, if he's under an active indoc. attempt, how does he break free? Couldn't they just pull him back under? This scene sums how it'd go:

[llbountyhunter]

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


True, it doesnt confirm IT, it would just support if it were true.

Try attaking some of ITs main pillars... like shepards srvival of the citadel explsion and edning up on earth?

The cables. 

 

Soooo. The generic cables strewn throughout the game, enveloped shepard and protected him from the explosion than desroyed the citadel (the citadel material can survive the wake of a supernovae), and then gently placed him on earth? ok then.

[SubAstris]

balance5050 wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


True, it doesnt confirm IT, it would just support if it were true.

Try attaking some of ITs main pillars... like shepards srvival of the citadel explsion and edning up on earth?

The cables. 

The concrete and the explosion and the color and the Mako.

There is no Mako

[balance5050]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


Shepard hears footsteps in his cabin, certain areas of the ship DO have ultrasonic and infrasonic noise.

Most importantly the dreams, which we learn from the scientists on the derelict reaper is a HUGE indicator. In London your crewmates ask if you're ok because "you don't look so good"

And to be fair the final citadel scenes has pretty much all the effects described including headpains.

Footseteps?  Where and when? Any footseteps are not indoctrination noises. And the only noices I hear in the rest of the Normandy is of the crew and their use of their terminals or something. Using the tech stuff on the ship.

you know, people tend to have bad dreams when they are in stress. In ME1, Shepard is can remark for Liara s/he had bad bad dreams. 

And of course Shepard doesn't look good. From the same reason the squad themselves don't look good (or not sounding good, at least).

True, it doesnt confirm IT, it would just support if it were true.

Try attaking some of ITs main pillars... like shepards srvival of the citadel explsion and edning up on earth?

For me, the biggest argument is just that it's a video game. Video gamey, impossible stuff happens all the time, even for more 'realistic' games. I mean, Shepard suffocated to death before hitting the atmosphere of a planet, and was somehow scrapped back together and put back together exactly has he was before mentally, which imo is pretty impossible. Even a clone would have been absurd considering the damage that had to have been done to Shep's brain upon suffocation, much less entry into atmosphere and then smacking into a planet.


It's nice to have hope and create a somewhat decent fan theory in light of a terrible ending, but making that kind of argument is like pretending that this isn't just a video game.

Meh, it's more like a literary interpretation.

Shepards body was flash frozen on the descent to that planet which preserved his brain cells....

[TsaiMeLemoni]

llbountyhunter wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


True, it doesnt confirm IT, it would just support if it were true.

Try attaking some of ITs main pillars... like shepards srvival of the citadel explsion and edning up on earth?

The cables. 

 

Soooo. The generic cables strewn throughout the game, enveloped shepard and protected him from the explosion than desroyed the citadel (the citadel material can survive the wake of a supernovae), and then gently placed him on earth? ok then.

Who said anything about gentle? All we see is a chest taking a breath. For all we know under that rubble Shep is missing a leg, an arm, and one of his eyes.

Modifié par TsaiMeLemoni, 08 juin 2012 - 07:48 .

[Ageless Face]

balance5050 wrote...

 

There's youtube videos that they put a cadet walking under the floor in your cabin only SOMETIMES, just for a footstep SFX.

And again, whisper's, head aches, infra and ultra sonic noises, viewing reapers as superstitious entities, all classic indoc symptoms and we see them all during the final moments of the game.

Ahh, if they would have wanted to add the sound of footsteps it would not have been very hard. No need to bring a crew member to do it. 

Heaches are to be expected when you just lost ALOT of blood. Hearing the odd voices when talking to TIM is not relevat. TIM didn't control Shepard through indoc. As for the catalyst's talk (Shepard talking behind it and other things that I can't remember now)... for that I can't really find any proofs that it was not indoctination.

For now .

[TsaiMeLemoni]

balance5050 wrote...



Meh, it's more like a literary interpretation.

Shepards body was flash frozen on the descent to that planet which preserved his brain cells....

You mean the brain cells that were damaged from Shep suffocating to death before impact? Even if being flash frozen didn't miracously cause even MORE damage upon impact, there would be damage done to the brain that would prevent Shepard from being exactly as he was.

[balance5050]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

I'd like to ask, how exactly does Shepard break free of indoctrination? What gives him the special ability to do what no organic (excluding Shiala, of course) has ever done before? I mean, really, if he's under an active indoc. attempt, how does he break free? Couldn't they just pull him back under? This scene sums how it'd go:

Again, he never actually becomes indoctrinated, he is only resisting the latest attempt, Shepard's will power is a character trait.

Also, if it's Harbinger that's trying to control him, Joker could just blow Harbinger up and allow Shepard to finish the fight.

[Ageless Face]

llbountyhunter wrote...


Soooo. The generic cables strewn throughout the game, enveloped shepard and protected him from the explosion than desroyed the citadel (the citadel material can survive the wake of a supernovae), and then gently placed him on earth? ok then.

The cables are actually saying that the breath scene didn't happen on earth. It was on the citadel.

[llbountyhunter]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


True, it doesnt confirm IT, it would just support if it were true.

Try attaking some of ITs main pillars... like shepards srvival of the citadel explsion and edning up on earth?

The cables. 

 

Soooo. The generic cables strewn throughout the game, enveloped shepard and protected him from the explosion than desroyed the citadel (the citadel material can survive the wake of a supernovae), and then gently placed him on earth? ok then.

Who said anything about gentle? All we see is a chest taking a breath. For all we know under that rubble Shep is missing a leg, an arm, and one of his eyes.

So he still survived a explosion stronger than supernovae, right?

[Lord Goose]

Also, if it's Harbinger that's trying to control him, Joker could just blow Harbinger up and allow Shepard to finish the fight.

The strongest Reaper. While even Nazara-class reaper can be blowed up only with combined effort of 4 largest battleships.

So true.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

llbountyhunter wrote...

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


True, it doesnt confirm IT, it would just support if it were true.

Try attaking some of ITs main pillars... like shepards srvival of the citadel explsion and edning up on earth?

The cables. 

 

Soooo. The generic cables strewn throughout the game, enveloped shepard and protected him from the explosion than desroyed the citadel (the citadel material can survive the wake of a supernovae), and then gently placed him on earth? ok then.

Who said anything about gentle? All we see is a chest taking a breath. For all we know under that rubble Shep is missing a leg, an arm, and one of his eyes.

So he still survived a explosion stronger than supernovae, right?

Why not? He's survived equally ridiculous (imo) situations, and as I pointed out in an earlier post, it's a video game. It shouldn't be surprising that this kind of stuff happens.

[balance5050]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

balance5050 wrote...



Meh, it's more like a literary interpretation.

Shepards body was flash frozen on the descent to that planet which preserved his brain cells....

You mean the brain cells that were damaged from Shep suffocating to death before impact? Even if being flash frozen didn't miracously cause even MORE damage upon impact, there would be damage done to the brain that would prevent Shepard from being exactly as he was.

It seems rather possible that there was less than 10 minutes between the time he suffocated and the time his body would freeze. People have been brought back after hours of being under frozen water.

His body was Shattered, it was his awesome futuristic helmet that kept his brain intact.

http://wiki.answers....ods_under_water 

Modifié par balance5050, 08 juin 2012 - 07:56 .

[llbountyhunter]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

balance5050 wrote...



Meh, it's more like a literary interpretation.

Shepards body was flash frozen on the descent to that planet which preserved his brain cells....

You mean the brain cells that were damaged from Shep suffocating to death before impact? Even if being flash frozen didn't miracously cause even MORE damage upon impact, there would be damage done to the brain that would prevent Shepard from being exactly as he was.

Gravity and air desity were loweron the other planet. flash feezing helped because shepard had his helmet on which reduced impact damage.

And it STIILL took two year to bring him back

[llbountyhunter]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


True, it doesnt confirm IT, it would just support if it were true.

Try attaking some of ITs main pillars... like shepards srvival of the citadel explsion and edning up on earth?

The cables. 

 

Soooo. The generic cables strewn throughout the game, enveloped shepard and protected him from the explosion than desroyed the citadel (the citadel material can survive the wake of a supernovae), and then gently placed him on earth? ok then.

Who said anything about gentle? All we see is a chest taking a breath. For all we know under that rubble Shep is missing a leg, an arm, and one of his eyes.

So he still survived a explosion stronger than supernovae, right?

Why not? He's survived equally ridiculous (imo) situations, and as I pointed out in an earlier post, it's a video game. It shouldn't be surprising that this kind of stuff happens.

No he as not. 

[Ageless Face]

llbountyhunter wrote...


So he still survived a explosion stronger than supernovae, right?

"A stubborn enough person can survive just about anything". Zaeed, ME2.