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[llbountyhunter]

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


Soooo. The generic cables strewn throughout the game, enveloped shepard and protected him from the explosion than desroyed the citadel (the citadel material can survive the wake of a supernovae), and then gently placed him on earth? ok then.

The cables are actually saying that the breath scene didn't happen on earth. It was on the citadel.

Nice opinion here. Those cables are found in plenty of missions. 

[KingZayd]

balance5050 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

I'd like to ask, how exactly does Shepard break free of indoctrination? What gives him the special ability to do what no organic (excluding Shiala, of course) has ever done before? I mean, really, if he's under an active indoc. attempt, how does he break free? Couldn't they just pull him back under? This scene sums how it'd go:

Again, he never actually becomes indoctrinated, he is only resisting the latest attempt, Shepard's will power is a character trait.

Also, if it's Harbinger that's trying to control him, Joker could just blow Harbinger up and allow Shepard to finish the fight.

Sovereign was clearly worried about Saren's potential to resist, hence the implantation and the resulting deepening of  indoctrination that we see. This is after Vermire when you make Saren doubt himself and suspect he's indoctrinated. Why would Sovereign bother with that if Saren wasn't capable of fighting it? Even with this deepened level of indoctrination, Saren is able to resist enough to kill himself. Just imagine what he could have done if he hadn't been implanted, and the indoctrination had remained at Vermire levels.

Saren is a Shepard level character.

[Lord Goose]

And it STIILL took two year to bring him back

After he performed landing on the planet in nothing than malfunctioning armor. Yeah. sure.

[llbountyhunter]

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


So he still survived a explosion stronger than supernovae, right?

"A stubborn enough person can survive just about anything". Zaeed, ME2.

OK, whose the delusional one here?

[Ageless Face]

llbountyhunter wrote...


Nice opinion here. Those cables are found in plenty of missions. 

But not in London. There was never any sign of them in all of London.

[SubAstris]

llbountyhunter wrote...

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


True, it doesnt confirm IT, it would just support if it were true.

Try attaking some of ITs main pillars... like shepards srvival of the citadel explsion and edning up on earth?

The cables. 

 

Soooo. The generic cables strewn throughout the game, enveloped shepard and protected him from the explosion than desroyed the citadel (the citadel material can survive the wake of a supernovae), and then gently placed him on earth? ok then.

Who said anything about gentle? All we see is a chest taking a breath. For all we know under that rubble Shep is missing a leg, an arm, and one of his eyes.

So he still survived a explosion stronger than supernovae, right?

A supernova, where are you getting this rubbish?

[balance5050]

llbountyhunter wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


So he still survived a explosion stronger than supernovae, right?

"A stubborn enough person can survive just about anything". Zaeed, ME2.

OK, whose the delusional one here?

[TsaiMeLemoni]

You can make whatever argument you want for flash freezing and its preservation abilities, but I am not seeing it. Also, wouldn't being in the atmosphere itself be pretty hot? That's going in between two extremes (three if you want to count the coldness of space, the atmosphere, and then the actual air of the planet). Either way you slice it, I am seeing some incredible damage being done that makes it seem ridiculous, again, IMO, for Shep to have survived and for the Lazarus project to have been as successful as it was.

Again, back to my original point, I can accept the fact that the Lazarus project was as successful as it was because hey, it's a video game. It doesn't have to adhere to strict rules of reality.

As to your cold water arguments, while nice, are not comparable to being in space and then entering a planet's atmosphere, and then experiencing an epic face plant on its surface.

Modifié par TsaiMeLemoni, 08 juin 2012 - 07:59 .

[llbountyhunter]

Lord Goose wrote...

And it STIILL took two year to bring him back

After he performed landing on the planet in nothing than malfunctioning armor. Yeah. sure.

Do people bother reading the codex and other entries? 

[balance5050]

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


True, it doesnt confirm IT, it would just support if it were true.

Try attaking some of ITs main pillars... like shepards srvival of the citadel explsion and edning up on earth?

The cables. 

 

Soooo. The generic cables strewn throughout the game, enveloped shepard and protected him from the explosion than desroyed the citadel (the citadel material can survive the wake of a supernovae), and then gently placed him on earth? ok then.

Who said anything about gentle? All we see is a chest taking a breath. For all we know under that rubble Shep is missing a leg, an arm, and one of his eyes.

So he still survived a explosion stronger than supernovae, right?

A supernova, where are you getting this rubbish?

The citadel is made from the same ultra strong material as the relays, this material can withstand the wake of a super nova.

http://masseffect.wi...wiki/Mass_Relay 

Please try to keep up.

[Lord Goose]

Why would Sovereign bother with that if Saren wasn't capable of fighting it?

Indoctrination is two-edged sword. If victim understands that it is indoctrinated, it could commit suicide, or fry its brain trying to overcome the Reapers. Obviously, none of this results is satisfying for them.

[llbountyhunter]

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


True, it doesnt confirm IT, it would just support if it were true.

Try attaking some of ITs main pillars... like shepards srvival of the citadel explsion and edning up on earth?

The cables. 

 

Soooo. The generic cables strewn throughout the game, enveloped shepard and protected him from the explosion than desroyed the citadel (the citadel material can survive the wake of a supernovae), and then gently placed him on earth? ok then.

Who said anything about gentle? All we see is a chest taking a breath. For all we know under that rubble Shep is missing a leg, an arm, and one of his eyes.

So he still survived a explosion stronger than supernovae, right?

A supernova, where are you getting this rubbish?

The explosion had to be stronger than the wakeof a supernovae since it destroyed the citadel.

I assumed most people would be able to connect the dots in my argument- ah it seems we have found the root of the problem in literalists: unable to think critically

[Lord Goose]

The citadel is made from the same ultra strong material as the relays, this material can withstand the wake of a super nova.

The relays are made of an unknown but incredibly resilient material, the same material that the Citadel is built from, and are protected by a quantum shield that renders them nearly impervious to damage by locking their structure in place at the subatomic level.

*cough*

[Ageless Face]

llbountyhunter wrote...


OK, whose the delusional one here?

First, no need to go into insults. I didn't insult you.

And what exactly have I said that was delusinal? Zaeed survived a gunshot to the head. Shepard was rebuilt from the dead. Prothean becons were transformed into Shepard's mind. Liara fought alone to get to the Shaodw broker if you didn't do the DLC. Shepard and a handfull of crew brought themselves into the SM, and it's possible to make everyone survive... There's more.

"A stubborn enough person can survive just about anything"

[llbountyhunter]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

You can make whatever argument you want for flash freezing and its preservation abilities, but I am not seeing it. Also, wouldn't being in the atmosphere itself be pretty hot? That's going in between two extremes (three if you want to count the coldness of space, the atmosphere, and then the actual air of the planet). Either way you slice it, I am seeing some incredible damage being done that makes it seem ridiculous, again, IMO, for Shep to have survived and for the Lazarus project to have been as successful as it was.

Again, back to my original point, I can accept the fact that the Lazarus project was as successful as it was because hey, it's a video game. It doesn't have to adhere to strict rules of reality.

As to your cold water arguments, while nice, are not comparable to being in space and then entering a planet's atmosphere, and then experiencing an epic face plant on its surface.

The atmosphere in the other planet was thinner so it probably wount be hot.

[balance5050]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

You can make whatever argument you want for flash freezing and its preservation abilities, but I am not seeing it. Also, wouldn't being in the atmosphere itself be pretty hot? That's going in between two extremes (three if you want to count the coldness of space, the atmosphere, and then the actual air of the planet). Either way you slice it, I am seeing some incredible damage being done that makes it seem ridiculous, again, IMO, for Shep to have survived and for the Lazarus project to have been as successful as it was.

Again, back to my original point, I can accept the fact that the Lazarus project was as successful as it was because hey, it's a video game. It doesn't have to adhere to strict rules of reality.

As to your cold water arguments, while nice, are not comparable to being in space and then entering a planet's atmosphere, and then experiencing an epic face plant on its surface.

You need to be going like thousands of miles per hour to create friction with the atmosphere, Shepard was merely free falling.

The upper atmosphere is incredibly cold, water instantly freezes as we see from planes's con-trails.

The helmet.... it's all about the helmet. Held his flash frozen brains together...

[llbountyhunter]

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


OK, whose the delusional one here?

First, no need to go into insults. I didn't insult you.

And what exactly have I said that was delusinal? Zaeed survived a gunshot to the head. Shepard was rebuilt from the dead. Prothean becons were transformed into Shepard's mind. Liara fought alone to get to the Shaodw broker if you didn't do the DLC. Shepard and a handfull of crew brought themselves into the SM, and it's possible to make everyone survive... There's more.

"A stubborn enough person can survive just about anything"

You're right sorry for the insult.

But the point still stands.  A SUPERNOVAE?

[Lord Goose]

The helmet.... it's all about the helmet. Held his flash frozen brains together...

There must be quantum field in his armor.
What's why he survived planetfall. His structure was locked on sub-atomic level.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

llbountyhunter wrote...



I assumed most people would be able to connect the dots in my argument- ah it seems we have found the root of the problem in literalists: unable to think critically

And this is just another example of the IT crowd that we've all seen countless times - The inability to resist making personal attacks on anyone not in line with their thinking, or who are too 'stupid' to have all the information they do.


Maybe this person didn't read the codex. Does that make it necessary to attack him? Maybe you could have just given him the information he needed and therefore could think about the points your trying to make without a jaded point of view.

You guys might be able to win more people to your side if you didn't constantly ****** everyone else off.


@Balance: For me, it still comes back to the point that he makes impact on the planet that caused an insane amount of damage, and it's ridiculous to assume that his brain 100% survived without any damage whatsover when by all accounts, the rest of his body was apparently mush. And again, that's not even my primary point, which is that as ridiculous as this is to me personally, and probably to a few other people, I don't over analyze it, I accept that I am playing a game and just move on. Besides, I feel like we've had this coversation before, something about seeing the same data and pulling out different results...

Modifié par TsaiMeLemoni, 08 juin 2012 - 08:09 .

[balance5050]

Lord Goose wrote...

The citadel is made from the same ultra strong material as the relays, this material can withstand the wake of a super nova.

The relays are made of an unknown but incredibly resilient material, the same material that the Citadel is built from, and are protected by a quantum shield that renders them nearly impervious to damage by locking their structure in place at the subatomic level.

*cough*

Sigh... Right, so how did Shepard live through that when doesn't even have armor.

[mass perfection]

Yeah,like that bright hades cannon did nothing to his eyes.

[balance5050]

Lord Goose wrote...

The helmet.... it's all about the helmet. Held his flash frozen brains together...

There must be quantum field in his armor.
What's why he survived planetfall. His structure was locked on sub-atomic level.

No, it was probalbly just the memory foam, pretty amazing stuff. 

[Ageless Face]

llbountyhunter wrote...

You're right sorry for the insult.

But the point still stands.  A SUPERNOVAE?

No harm done.

And there are too many freaky things about the game. The fact you are killing gaint machines that want to harvest all life in the galaxy that want to kill you to save you is one of them.

My assumption, however, is that the catalyst at least had protection in his chamber. He will be very stupid if he wouldn't have it. The protection was obviously not strong enough to make a complete undamage. But is was enough for Shep to survive

[llbountyhunter]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...



I assumed most people would be able to connect the dots in my argument- ah it seems we have found the root of the problem in literalists: unable to think critically

And this is just another example of the IT crowd that we've all seen countless times - The inability to resist making personal attacks on anyone not in line with their thinking, or who are too 'stupid' to have all the information they do.


Maybe this person didn't read the codex. Does that make it necessary to attack him? Maybe you could have just given him the information he needed and therefore could think about the points your trying to make without a jaded point of view.

You guys might be able to win more people to your side if you didn't constantly ****** everyone else off.


@Balance: For me, it still comes back to the point that he makes impact on the planet that caused an insane amount of damage, and it's ridiculous to assume that his brain 100% survived without any damage whatsover when by all accounts, the rest of his body was apparently mush. And again, that's not even my primary point, which is that as ridiculous as this is to me personally, and probably to a few other people, I don't over analyze it, I accept that I am playing a game and just move on. Besides, I feel like we've had this coversation before, something about seeing the same data and pulling out different results...

I apologies..


As for your second point... presumably thats what they took 2 years doing.. recunstructing him

[balance5050]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...



I assumed most people would be able to connect the dots in my argument- ah it seems we have found the root of the problem in literalists: unable to think critically

And this is just another example of the IT crowd that we've all seen countless times - The inability to resist making personal attacks on anyone not in line with their thinking, or who are too 'stupid' to have all the information they do.


Maybe this person didn't read the codex. Does that make it necessary to attack him? Maybe you could have just given him the information he needed and therefore could think about the points your trying to make without a jaded point of view.

You guys might be able to win more people to your side if you didn't constantly ****** everyone else off.


@Balance: For me, it still comes back to the point that he makes impact on the planet that caused an insane amount of damage, and it's ridiculous to assume that his brain 100% survived without any damage whatsover when by all accounts, the rest of his body was apparently mush. And again, that's not even my primary point, which is that as ridiculous as this is to me personally, and probably to a few other people, I don't over analyze it, I accept that I am playing a game and just move on. Besides, I feel like we've had this coversation before, something about seeing the same data and pulling out different results...

Well, me and the other I.T.'ers are a natually curious and analytical bunch, as a lot of sci-fi fans are.... so that may be why you're having problems....