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[Jerrybnsn]

FaWa wrote...

Im assuming there will be more. However, I don't think imports will be possible from DA3-->DA4...Console changes and such...

I agree.  So every decision you made (which is miniscule in DA2) needs to get wrapped up in "3".

[Jerrybnsn]

schalafi wrote...

Sers94 wrote...

Heard somewhere that they want to go to every major country in Thedas, could be this one:


Around 24:30

Thank you for that link, that was a very interesting discussion, and made me really look forward to DA3! :happy:

One thing I agreed with one of the questioniers is that the writing for Origins and DA2 has always been top notch. 

And I agree with Mr. Gaider that Anders should have been more like Awakenings.  Possibly using the same voice actor would have helped a long way?

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 09 juin 2012 - 02:27 .

[FaeQueenCory]

Technically.... there are only 100 years in the Dragon age... so Dragon Age games have to be contained in those 100 years... and we're already in about the halfway mark.... plus, in regards to the Blights... there can only be really two more... so there ARE limits to what can be done with this property.... but it's got AT LEAST three more games in it. (And that's going under the assumption that the major conflict in each is "magetemplar", blight, blight respectively... but there's more to be done than just those three things.)

[AkiKishi]

FaeQueenCory wrote...

Technically.... there are only 100 years in the Dragon age... so Dragon Age games have to be contained in those 100 years... and we're already in about the halfway mark.... plus, in regards to the Blights... there can only be really two more... so there ARE limits to what can be done with this property.... but it's got AT LEAST three more games in it. (And that's going under the assumption that the major conflict in each is "magetemplar", blight, blight respectively... but there's more to be done than just those three things.)

Dr Who could only regenerate 12 times....

[Midnightpain]

Well considering Brent Knowles worked for BioWare for ten years (Baldur’s Gate 2, Neverwinter Nights, Dragon Age "Origins"""), during most of which he was a Lead Designer/Creative Director, he is now gone. He quit during DA2 because of the direction of the game turning to a game he just wasn't into. Now with Mike Laidley creating DA2 and now DA3 don't be too surprised if it turns out like a slightly enhanced version of DA2.
I think they should have canned the Dragonage title when Brent Knowles quit, considering his direction and design lead to such a great RPG game and ultimately lead to the demise and hatred of DA2. Ironic isnt it.

Mike LAidley is living in Brent's shadow and I'm sure he isn't liking it one bit hence the "direction" of DA2 and I'm sure DA3 will take. Bioware/Mike Laidley doesn't want anything to do with Dragon age Origins because its not HIS idea.. DA2 was.. So its only logical to assume he will try to fix his blunders with DA3 and make his version of the game try its hardest to beat DAO. Sort of like sibling rivalry. I hope Mike proves me wrong though and the epic much loved elements from DAO are finally incorporated into DA3.
Concerning DA2 Bioware/Mike Laidley would have been better creating something new, they could have wacked a new name on it, nothing else and BAM, the games ratings would have skyrocketed. I woudl have felt better and less stabbed in the back expecting the same thing I got from DAO. Then by continuing DAO later way later, in a REAL sequel, with morrigan, flemeth,Alistair etc etc (not Anders), etc etc we would have seen an epic game with years of thought and work behind it to ACTUALLY impress DAO and hardcore RPG fans alike.

[schalafi]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

schalafi wrote...

Sers94 wrote...

Heard somewhere that they want to go to every major country in Thedas, could be this one:


Around 24:30

Thank you for that link, that was a very interesting discussion, and made me really look forward to DA3! :happy:

One thing I agreed with one of the questioniers is that the writing for Origins and DA2 has always been top notch. 

And I agree with Mr. Gaider that Anders should have been more like Awakenings.  Possibly using the same voice actor would have helped a long way?

Greg Ellis, the voice actor for Anders in Awakening played Cullen in DA2. I think I read somewhere that the reason he didn't play Anders in DA2 was because he didn't have time for a large role, and he already had played Cullen in Origins. I thought Adam Howden, the v.a. in DA2 did a good job with Anders.

Modifié par schalafi, 09 juin 2012 - 04:33 .

[Unknown_Warrior]

FaeQueenCory wrote...

Technically.... there are only 100 years in the Dragon age... so Dragon Age games have to be contained in those 100 years... and we're already in about the halfway mark.... plus, in regards to the Blights... there can only be really two more... so there ARE limits to what can be done with this property.... but it's got AT LEAST three more games in it. (And that's going under the assumption that the major conflict in each is "magetemplar", blight, blight respectively... but there's more to be done than just those three things.)

It would be quite lore breaking to have 2 more blights. I mean, all the former blights generally had 200-400 years inbetween them. To suddenly have 3 in 70 years would be odd.

[Jerrybnsn]

Unknown_Warrior wrote...

FaeQueenCory wrote...

Technically.... there are only 100 years in the Dragon age... so Dragon Age games have to be contained in those 100 years... and we're already in about the halfway mark.... plus, in regards to the Blights... there can only be really two more... so there ARE limits to what can be done with this property.... but it's got AT LEAST three more games in it. (And that's going under the assumption that the major conflict in each is "magetemplar", blight, blight respectively... but there's more to be done than just those three things.)

It would be quite lore breaking to have 2 more blights. I mean, all the former blights generally had 200-400 years inbetween them. To suddenly have 3 in 70 years would be odd.

Hence the name "Dragon Age".

[Midnightpain]

It will be if they implement the button = awesome

[Karlone123]

I've never heard it been said it will be the last, if it's the end it will be the end of a certain story arc rather than the entire universe. I think DA3 will be the last game involving the mage-templar and then Bioware will explore further places in DA. At least I hope so!

[Abispa]

Depends on how well it does. If it is a flop, it could be the last we see of the franchise. Reading articles on Bioware has always lead me to believe that they're attempting to create a universe of diverse locations and challenges, and will churn out as many books, comics, games, and movies as fans are willing to buy. I do believe DA3 will be the last game for this generation of consoles.

[marshalleck]

Midnightpain wrote...

Well considering Brent Knowles worked for BioWare for ten years (Baldur’s Gate 2, Neverwinter Nights, Dragon Age "Origins"""), during most of which he was a Lead Designer/Creative Director, he is now gone. He quit during DA2 because of the direction of the game turning to a game he just wasn't into. Now with Mike Laidley creating DA2 and now DA3 don't be too surprised if it turns out like a slightly enhanced version of DA2.
I think they should have canned the Dragonage title when Brent Knowles quit, considering his direction and design lead to such a great RPG game and ultimately lead to the demise and hatred of DA2. Ironic isnt it.

Mike LAidley is living in Brent's shadow and I'm sure he isn't liking it one bit hence the "direction" of DA2 and I'm sure DA3 will take. Bioware/Mike Laidley doesn't want anything to do with Dragon age Origins because its not HIS idea.. DA2 was.. So its only logical to assume he will try to fix his blunders with DA3 and make his version of the game try its hardest to beat DAO. Sort of like sibling rivalry. I hope Mike proves me wrong though and the epic much loved elements from DAO are finally incorporated into DA3.
Concerning DA2 Bioware/Mike Laidley would have been better creating something new, they could have wacked a new name on it, nothing else and BAM, the games ratings would have skyrocketed. I woudl have felt better and less stabbed in the back expecting the same thing I got from DAO. Then by continuing DAO later way later, in a REAL sequel, with morrigan, flemeth,Alistair etc etc (not Anders), etc etc we would have seen an epic game with years of thought and work behind it to ACTUALLY impress DAO and hardcore RPG fans alike.

Why are you doing this? Stop torturing yourself. It's time to leave Bioware behind. Just let it go. Go check out some CDPR games, they're the new premier RPG developer.

Modifié par marshalleck, 11 juin 2012 - 02:49 .

[David Gaider]

schalafi wrote...
Of course I'd like to see it go on and on, but I imagine Bioware has a plan to make just so many and then go on to something new.

We'll keep making them as long as there's someplace left to go and more stories left to tell in the DA universe. Sometimes people seem to conflate the marketing for Mass Effect with Dragon Age's, in that they assume DA is a trilogy... but it's not something we've ever said or even suggested. That's strictly Mass Effect.

BobSmith101 wrote...
Depends on how well it does. If it
does worse than DA2 I can see them pulling the plug because it means
that people don't care about the franchise anymore in general.

If future Dragon Age games do as "poorly" as DA2, then we'll be able to keep making them for some time. This is not to suggest there's nothing to improve, or that everyone was happy with DA2, but no game's success is rated by how negative fans on the Internet can be about it... just as success is not rated by how positively fans on the Internet can rave about it. Despite how much fans would like that to be true, I'm sure.

FaeQueenCory wrote...
Technically.... there are only 100 years
in the Dragon age... so Dragon Age games have to be contained in those
100 years... and we're already in about the halfway mark....

From my perspective it might get a bit weird if we left the Dragon Age itself, yes. But, then again, Baldur's Gate II didn't go anywhere near the city of Baldur's Gate. So who knows? Plans change constantly in the game biz. Currently we have only our intentions, but no idea how they'll pan out in the years to come.

Modifié par David Gaider, 11 juin 2012 - 05:07 .

[AkiKishi]

David Gaider wrote...

If future Dragon Age games do as "poorly" as DA2, then we'll be able to keep making them for some time. This is not to suggest there's nothing to improve, or that everyone was happy with DA2, but no game's success is rated by how negative fans on the Internet can be about it... just as success is not rated by how positively fans on the Internet can rave about it. Despite how much fans would like that to be true, I'm sure.

Worse does not really mean the same as "as poorly". I'm talking about the drop off between DAO and DA2. It's not just the fans, DA2 go slammed hard by reviewers too.

marshalleck wrote...
Why are you doing this? Stop torturing yourself. It's time to leave Bioware behind. Just let it go. Go check out some CDPR games, they're the new premier RPG developer.

Bioware is currently hampered by still trying to do a fixed character, while trying to present it otherwise.

[Wulfram]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Worse does not really mean the same as "as poorly". I'm talking about the drop off between DAO and DA2. It's not just the fans, DA2 go slammed hard by reviewers too.
 

By Bioware full game standards it's metacritic rating is fairly poor, but it's hardly "slammed".

[AkiKishi]

Wulfram wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Worse does not really mean the same as "as poorly". I'm talking about the drop off between DAO and DA2. It's not just the fans, DA2 go slammed hard by reviewers too.
 

By Bioware full game standards it's metacritic rating is fairly poor, but it's hardly "slammed".

Read some of the reviews. And by that I mean the ones that are not paid off like Escaptist where they lied and said the auto attack feature was in the full game, they were just choosing not to use it.

[nightscrawl]

David Gaider wrote...

schalafi wrote...
Of course I'd like to see it go on and on, but I imagine Bioware has a plan to make just so many and then go on to something new.

We'll keep making them as long as there's someplace left to go and more stories left to tell in the DA universe. Sometimes people seem to conflate the marketing for Mass Effect with Dragon Age's, in that they assume DA is a trilogy... but it's not something we've ever said or even suggested. That's strictly Mass Effect.

BobSmith101 wrote...
Depends on how well it does. If it
does worse than DA2 I can see them pulling the plug because it means
that people don't care about the franchise anymore in general.

If future Dragon Age games do as "poorly" as DA2, then we'll be able to keep making them for some time. This is not to suggest there's nothing to improve, or that everyone was happy with DA2, but no game's success is rated by how negative fans on the Internet can be about it... just as success is not rated by how positively fans on the Internet can rave about it. Despite how much fans would like that to be true, I'm sure.

Yaaaaay! 

[CarlSpackler]

David Gaider wrote...

schalafi wrote...
Of course I'd like to see it go on and on, but I imagine Bioware has a plan to make just so many and then go on to something new.

We'll keep making them as long as there's someplace left to go and more stories left to tell in the DA universe. Sometimes people seem to conflate the marketing for Mass Effect with Dragon Age's, in that they assume DA is a trilogy... but it's not something we've ever said or even suggested. That's strictly Mass Effect.

Which as a fan who is invested in the IP's lore I find this to be great news.  However I think its this very reason why Bioware should not invest too much (if any) time in attempting to carry over game decisions.  With Mass Effect it was addmittedly a lot of fun to see how my choices were reflected (I for one was not disapointed, I personally thought they did a herculean job across three games given time/budget constraints) but trying to do this across differing protagonists, years in the game world, and potentially many games exceeding a "trilogy" it just gets too unwieldy.  I'd rather the dev team not spend a lot of time on import features tracking minutae of game decicions and instead pick a cannon story for the world and then focus on making a great game.

[Jerrybnsn]

Wulfram wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Worse does not really mean the same as "as poorly". I'm talking about the drop off between DAO and DA2. It's not just the fans, DA2 go slammed hard by reviewers too.
 

By Bioware full game standards it's metacritic rating is fairly poor, but it's hardly "slammed".

As a Bioware game it was fairly raked over the coals from the fans perspective who were expecting an rpg game on the level of BGs, KotoR and Origins.  Also the fans were expecting a sequel to Origins and didn't get that either.

DAIII is going to be hampered because it won't have the pre-orders that DAII did, so it'll have to get good fan reviews for it to reach 1.5 million sold in a year's time.

Will EA still stick with the DA franchise even if it sells only 1 million or slightly less?

[ianvillan]

Midnightpain wrote...

Well considering Brent Knowles worked for BioWare for ten years (Baldur’s Gate 2, Neverwinter Nights, Dragon Age "Origins"""), during most of which he was a Lead Designer/Creative Director, he is now gone. He quit during DA2 because of the direction of the game turning to a game he just wasn't into. Now with Mike Laidley creating DA2 and now DA3 don't be too surprised if it turns out like a slightly enhanced version of DA2.
I think they should have canned the Dragonage title when Brent Knowles quit, considering his direction and design lead to such a great RPG game and ultimately lead to the demise and hatred of DA2. Ironic isnt it.

Mike LAidley is living in Brent's shadow and I'm sure he isn't liking it one bit hence the "direction" of DA2 and I'm sure DA3 will take. Bioware/Mike Laidley doesn't want anything to do with Dragon age Origins because its not HIS idea.. DA2 was.. So its only logical to assume he will try to fix his blunders with DA3 and make his version of the game try its hardest to beat DAO. Sort of like sibling rivalry. I hope Mike proves me wrong though and the epic much loved elements from DAO are finally incorporated into DA3.
Concerning DA2 Bioware/Mike Laidley would have been better creating something new, they could have wacked a new name on it, nothing else and BAM, the games ratings would have skyrocketed. I woudl have felt better and less stabbed in the back expecting the same thing I got from DAO. Then by continuing DAO later way later, in a REAL sequel, with morrigan, flemeth,Alistair etc etc (not Anders), etc etc we would have seen an epic game with years of thought and work behind it to ACTUALLY impress DAO and hardcore RPG fans alike.

I agree, if Dragon Age 2 was called something else like Dragon Age: Adventures of Hawke and told the fans it was a short development time for a quick stand alone adventure, then we wouldn't of had the disapointment we had with the game.

It also seems to me that Bioware are against making a game like Origins ever again, I dont know whether it is development time, money, mangement or another reason but they seem to get rid of the parts that made the first game great and just want to make the cheapest,fastest and most streamlined games they can and then they also force Multiplayer on top.

I see DA3 almost identical to DA2 with a few things added to appeal to Origin fans but more Linear story, no concences and multiplayer and Kinect the main focus of development.

[cJohnOne]

I like the 2 million mark for DA3. Other games that aren't as good sell that much. I believe. So why not have a totally new game if it doesn't sell that much?

[AkiKishi]

cJohnOne wrote...

I like the 2 million mark for DA3. Other games that aren't as good sell that much. I believe. So why not have a totally new game if it doesn't sell that much?

Which games would those be?

[schalafi]

ianvillan wrote...

Midnightpain wrote...

Well considering Brent Knowles worked for BioWare for ten years (Baldur’s Gate 2, Neverwinter Nights, Dragon Age "Origins"""), during most of which he was a Lead Designer/Creative Director, he is now gone. He quit during DA2 because of the direction of the game turning to a game he just wasn't into. Now with Mike Laidley creating DA2 and now DA3 don't be too surprised if it turns out like a slightly enhanced version of DA2.
I think they should have canned the Dragonage title when Brent Knowles quit, considering his direction and design lead to such a great RPG game and ultimately lead to the demise and hatred of DA2. Ironic isnt it.

Mike LAidley is living in Brent's shadow and I'm sure he isn't liking it one bit hence the "direction" of DA2 and I'm sure DA3 will take. Bioware/Mike Laidley doesn't want anything to do with Dragon age Origins because its not HIS idea.. DA2 was.. So its only logical to assume he will try to fix his blunders with DA3 and make his version of the game try its hardest to beat DAO. Sort of like sibling rivalry. I hope Mike proves me wrong though and the epic much loved elements from DAO are finally incorporated into DA3.
Concerning DA2 Bioware/Mike Laidley would have been better creating something new, they could have wacked a new name on it, nothing else and BAM, the games ratings would have skyrocketed. I woudl have felt better and less stabbed in the back expecting the same thing I got from DAO. Then by continuing DAO later way later, in a REAL sequel, with morrigan, flemeth,Alistair etc etc (not Anders), etc etc we would have seen an epic game with years of thought and work behind it to ACTUALLY impress DAO and hardcore RPG fans alike.

I agree, if Dragon Age 2 was called something else like Dragon Age: Adventures of Hawke and told the fans it was a short development time for a quick stand alone adventure, then we wouldn't of had the disapointment we had with the game.

It also seems to me that Bioware are against making a game like Origins ever again, I dont know whether it is development time, money, mangement or another reason but they seem to get rid of the parts that made the first game great and just want to make the cheapest,fastest and most streamlined games they can and then they also force Multiplayer on top.

I see DA3 almost identical to DA2 with a few things added to appeal to Origin fans but more Linear story, no concences and multiplayer and Kinect the main focus of development.

If I recall, even before DA2 was released, we were told it wasn't a sequel to Origins, but took place at a later time, and had a whole new story and characters. There wasn't anything wrong with nameing it DA2, as it was the second game, but many people "assumed" it would be a continuation of Origins.

It would be refreshing to see DA fans just relax and let the devs do their job, and stop all the speculating. I have no doubt that DA3 will be as good as the first two games, and maybe even better.

[Momiji.mii]

I for one would be thrilled to see many more games set in all various parts of Thedas. There's so many hints of things that could play out in the future, like the Elven situation and the threat from the Qunari, not to mention the events in the book Asunder (which everyone should read imo). There's also lots of potential for expansion of how magic and spirits works.

One of the things I love about DA is how everything is not set in stone; while things do have a certain amount of rules, we've seen how everything can and will change, sometimes slowly, sometimes in a short amount of time. Some fans might think this a bad thing, but it appeals to me a lot. I read a lot of fantasy and science fiction, but the Dragon Age world is one of the few fantasy settings that really has me speculating and discussing among friends what could happen next.