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[LiarasShield]

I should've made this thread a long time ago but it is never too late for the present right

The reapers have been destroying organic life for aeons and has been pretty much destroying most of the galaxy in me3 and most of earth other then london why would you negoiate with this being when his reapers have been destroying the entire galaxy and most of earth and if you pay attention to the background before even picking one of his three forced options you can see his reapers killing your forces in the background while your talking to him or even before you make a choice


The Catalyst says that he is supposedly protecting us from synthetics yet they use the reaper code to take control over the geth to kill us instead of not simply shutting the geth down and if they're trying to save us why keep using the reapers who are essentially organic synthetics beings to keep killing us all the time if they're ment to save us from synthetics wouldn't make more sense to destroy the synthetics or to give organics warning of the danger of synthetics instead of constantly destroying them that isn't saving anybody

To me it would be like negoiating with terrorists I would never do that or someone who takes a gun and shoots me in the back but then promises you that he or she will save you more likely they will let you die or take you to some place where no one will ever find you


Just like I wouldn't negoiate with terriorist I wouldn't negoiate with a super powerful space child being using power warmachines to mostly to destroy the entire galaxy I'm sorry gents and ma'ms I just can't do it


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[The Angry One]

You can't, and any cooperation with this monster without even challenging it's assertions is total capitulation.

That's how you ended Shepard's story, BioWare. By turning Shepard into a cowardly traitor who surrendered to the Reapers.
For all your biblical, religious messianic allegory, you also forgot the ultimate irony: Shepard gave into the devil's temptation.

[LiarasShield]

The Angry One wrote...

You can't, and any cooperation with this monster without even challenging it's assertions is total capitulation.

That's how you ended Shepard's story, BioWare. By turning Shepard into a cowardly traitor who surrendered to the Reapers.
For all your biblical, religious messianic allegory, you also forgot the ultimate irony: Shepard gave into the devil's temptation.

Yup couldn't state it much better and yet I find the irony that their are posts of why do you not believe the catalyst um I don't know maybe him using his reapers you know to destroy most of the galaxy and is still using his reapers to kill my forces while were talking or I pick one of your three forced options that you're forcing me into

[NoUserNameHere]

Oh, but he takes the form of a child! He sees Shepard as a father/mother figure. Seems legit, right?


*Yes, this was an argument someone actually put forth*

Modifié par NoUserNameHere, 08 juin 2012 - 04:46 .

[Alien1099]

Because the writers force you to.

[LiarasShield]

*Facepalms* and sighs I just can't find anyway to trust this being after his reapers have been pretty much destroying the entire galaxy and that his reapers are still killing my forces and how he isn't really protecting us from synthetics but using them against us U_u

[Alien1099]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

Oh, but he takes the form of a child! He see's Shepard as a father/mother figure. Seems legit, right?


*Yes, this was an argument someone actually put forth*

If that were the case he needed his stupid little translucent ass beaten into oblivion.

[Joe Del Toro]

Why Would You Trust The Catalyst Or The Reaper Creator?

Hey, I wouldn't. But apparently my fffff*cking Shepard does. 

[Carlthestrange]

Every single Reaper: "You cannot comprehend our purpose."

Star Child: "We kill you so robots don't kill you."

[LiarasShield]

well that was a bit violent but ok then lol but yeah why is the catalyst ok again I mean obviously our nearly burned down earth isn't a decent example of how he surely wants to use the reapers to wipe us out

[thesnake777]

My shep wouldn't listen...I was trying to use the Cerberus Override Codes...But nooooo..Shep just took it.

[Lazengan]

at This point I honestly don't care anymore if the dark matter ending would have been too similar to gurren lagann

I want the bloody dark matter ending. The characterization for reapers In ME1 led up to this garbage synthetic organic preservation bull****?!!? ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[LiarasShield]

I just wish shepard would've stayed true to his or her principles and that we really could beat the reapers without the catalysts say so or be forced into the options it only sees as right

[The Angry One]

LiarasShield wrote...

Yup couldn't state it much better and yet I find the irony that their are posts of why do you not believe the catalyst um I don't know maybe him using his reapers you know to destroy most of the galaxy and is still using his reapers to kill my forces while were talking or I pick one of your three forced options that you're forcing me into

I remember another very famous character who informed the protagonist of his plans and demanded that the protagonist join his cause and do what he said, all the while this character's space forces were directly outside, destroying and killing the protagonist's friends and allies.

Who was this.... oh yeah. Emperor Palpatine! Funny how nobody was expected to believe a word he said.

[KingZayd]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

Oh, but he takes the form of a child! He sees Shepard as a father/mother figure. Seems legit, right?


*Yes, this was an argument someone actually put forth*

LOL

Does anyone else get the feeling that Shepard talks to the Starchild as if he actually is a child? albeit a child in control of a bunch of very dangerous toys.

[LiarasShield]

The Angry One wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Yup couldn't state it much better and yet I find the irony that their are posts of why do you not believe the catalyst um I don't know maybe him using his reapers you know to destroy most of the galaxy and is still using his reapers to kill my forces while were talking or I pick one of your three forced options that you're forcing me into

I remember another very famous character who informed the protagonist of his plans and demanded that the protagonist join his cause and do what he said, all the while this character's space forces were directly outside, destroying and killing the protagonist's friends and allies.

Who was this.... oh yeah. Emperor Palpatine! Funny how nobody was expected to believe a word he said.

Exaclty point in check but yet it seems to be the opposite here I guess because instead of a wrinkley old dude doing all the killing or forcing the protagonist the catalyst takes on the form of a child so now he is automaticlly believable um yeah ok....

[Soulstice88]

Because the writers said we have to listen to the Controller of the Repars. Even if he takes the very manipulative form of the child that the writers also said that Shepard as a form PTSD from.

Pretty much every Shepard should've question it more, I can't see not wanting to.

[xsdob]

I don't really see the point in it lying to me, it could have just left me at the control panel to die, or not show itself when the elevator came up, or even just not told me I had no options to pick from.

Why bring me up there and talk to me and attempt to discuss itself with me just to play some elaborate trick with no payoff for anyone involved. The reapers still lose, shepard still stops them, and even if I picked control all of you posting how the catalyst is a liar still picked destory and killed the reapers.

Where's this trick?

Modifié par xsdob, 08 juin 2012 - 04:56 .

[Taboo]

xsdob wrote...

I don't really see the point in it lying to me, it could have just left me at the control panel to die, or not show itself when the elevator came up, or even just not told me I had any options to pick from.

Why bring me up there and talk to me and attempt to discuss itself with me just to play some elaborate trick with no payoff for anyone involved. The reapers still lose, shepard still stops them, and even if I picked control all of you posting how the catalyst is a liar still picked destory and killed the reapers.

Where's this trick?

[LiarasShield]

xsdob wrote...

I don't really see the point in it lying to me, it could have just left me at the control panel to die, or not show itself when the elevator came up, or even just not told me I had no options to pick from.

Why bring me up there and talk to me and attempt to discuss itself with me just to play some elaborate trick with no payoff for anyone involved. The reapers still lose, shepard still stops them, and even if I picked control all of you posting how the catalyst is a liar still picked destory and killed the reapers.

Where's this trick?

All your forces are nearly trapt in devastated solar system or the reapers live to possibly harvest your now stranded forces and their many reasons he could be lieing just his forces in the background still killing yours his false premise of saving us from synthetics but then using the geth with their reaper code to kill us instead of shutting them down or instead of using the reapers which are synthetic to destroy the other synthetics they are only destroying us instead of supposedly saving us

[Mcfly616]

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.........don't know........

[LiarasShield]

So once again other then elevar lifting up which may or may not have been the catalysts doing while in hells name would trust the being who has created the monsters destroying your world and everybody elses hes like the emperor from star wars but instead of being a wrinkly old dude he is superficial space child god thing

[xsdob]

LiarasShield wrote...

xsdob wrote...

I don't really see the point in it lying to me, it could have just left me at the control panel to die, or not show itself when the elevator came up, or even just not told me I had no options to pick from.

Why bring me up there and talk to me and attempt to discuss itself with me just to play some elaborate trick with no payoff for anyone involved. The reapers still lose, shepard still stops them, and even if I picked control all of you posting how the catalyst is a liar still picked destory and killed the reapers.

Where's this trick?

All your forces are nearly trapt in devastated solar system or the reapers live to possibly harvest your now stranded forces and their many reasons he could be lieing just his forces in the background still killing yours his false premise of saving us from synthetics but then using the geth with their reaper code to kill us instead of shutting them down or instead of using the reapers which are synthetic to destroy the other synthetics they are only destroying us instead of supposedly saving us

That sounds more like paranoia than actual reasoning. With that logic why even trust liara, shes and alien maybe she trapped you in a mind control dream world back in mass effect 1 you'd neven know. Or the beacons, maybe shepard is in a drug induced coma at the local psych ward due to the beacon scrambling his brain and all this is an illusion could be. Or this is all the dream of a butterfly who passed a cloud of marajuana smoke and is looking at a tv screen of the scyfy channel cannot be disproven or proven.

[WhiteKnyght]

The Angry One wrote...

You can't, and any cooperation with this monster without even challenging it's assertions is total capitulation.

That's how you ended Shepard's story, BioWare. By turning Shepard into a cowardly traitor who surrendered to the Reapers.
For all your biblical, religious messianic allegory, you also forgot the ultimate irony: Shepard gave into the devil's temptation.

Wrong. The devil always double crosses you. With the Catalyst, every choice works just like he says, there's no deception.

The Catalyst simply explained all the possibilities Shepard had in hand(he would have had to do these things anyway, otherwise the Crucible wouldn't fire) and gave his personal opinion on each of them. He never pressures you one way or another. In fact, in a low EMS, his reaction to Shepard is totally different. He's more like "You bring this on yourselves. " and "find another solution. But I cant make them happen, and I wont." So he's basically saying screw you and you wont get any help from him when you DO make your choice,

Also if you're going to get Biblical, the devil is more about wanting to rule over everything, not blindly destroying it. Cleansing the galaxy through destruction is more or less something that God would do, given the Great Flood as an example