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[xsdob]

[Op request I delete this and knock it off, so I shall.]

Modifié par xsdob, 08 juin 2012 - 08:45 .

[Vigilant111]

LiarasShield wrote...

The whole point though is I can't trust the being who has nearly destroyed the entire galaxy and msot of our earth with the reapers

Then you're trying tell me that you're protecting us from synthetics but then you kill us with the geth and the reapers at heart are at least party synthetic and yet instead of shutting the other synthetics down you just keep killing us or harvesting us

And people the possiability of control even though I don't think it is possiable or makes any sense if shepard loses everything she or he has then he or she might end up being a twisted or as warped as the catalyst that came before him or her and would only contine the cycle of endless destruction with the reapers this really isn't a paragon option despite it being blue

Unfortunately some people nowadays think the reapers have a higher purpose that organics cannot comprehend

No one seem to answer me this question: why don't the reapers dedicate themselves to destroying the synthetics that get out of control

[dreman9999]

[quote]LiarasShield wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]LiarasShield wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]KingZayd wrote...

[quote]The Grey Nayr wrote...

[quote]The Angry One wrote...

[quote]The Grey Nayr wrote...

Untrue.

Patrick Weeke's clarified that FTL ships are fast enough to travel through the galaxy without the Mass Relays. [/quote]

Absurd.



[quote]They're just more convenient. He also mentioned that because of the mass relays, there was never a need to improve FTL, which can be done by reverse engineering parts from the reapers(just like Sovereign's main gun became the Thanix Cannon.)[/quote]

Which is why the Reapers are only little more than double the speed of Citadel ships after billions of years.
I will remind you yet again that Weekes also stated that the speed of 12 ly/day for Citadel ships is not stated in-game, when it is in the codex.

Weekes is a good writer, but he does not know the specifics of ME FTL, nor does he know much of the ending which is unsurprising as he didn't write it and wasn't consulted on it but of course Walters leaves him to try and explain it.



[quote]Plus the Reapers built the mass relays. If you take control of them, Shepard could just order then to rebuild the relays.[/quote]

Lot of ifs and buts there.

[quote]If you do synthesis, every being is uplifted to the peak of intelligence and progress. Rebuilding the relays with or without the Reapers would arguably be simple. Hell, maybe they could even build portable relays into ships so they just zip across the galaxy instantly.
[/quote]

Speculations! Why not just say everybody gets built in hyperdrives. It's about as likely.

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1. Presuming that you know more about FTL and Mass Relays than one of the guys who writes the stuff is arrogant and foolish. Being an ME writer, Weekes knows EVERYTHING we don't know.

2. You forget that the Reapers believe they are perfect. They believe to have no need to improve themselves. Plus they always jump into the galaxy at a specific point of development and shut down the Mass Relays to ensure their victory. As Weeke's said. This cycle was anomalous.

Also Weeke's said that it's 16 lightyears per day, at cruising speeds, not top speed. Top speeds would be much faster.

3. Ifs and buts aside, the poin of Control is to make them do what YOU want. It's well within the Reaper's ability to make Mass Relays, so if you give the order, they would be able to do it.

4. Common sense: Devs wouldn't have bothered to add a third choice and have it be portrayed as a good option if there were nothing to it.
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The issue with interstellar FTL isn't speed. It's fuel. It takes a lot more than the ships we have can deal with. It says so in the games.

[/quote]Feul is not an issue. They can hop from system to system using momentum.
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I think a spaceship is a bit different then a car I don't think you can automaticlly keep auto moving when the gas meter hits e[/quote]
A car is limitted by gravity so it will slow down. A space ship is not because space has little gravity and on resistance being a void.

Unless physics changed in the furture(And if it did, god help us) An object in motion stays in motion till it reached and equal of opposite force.
Momentum will work because of the lack of gravity(aka force) in space.

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Yeah but slow motion how much time do you think they would have before starving to death or needing to get new resources how long do you think it would take once they run out of fuel and are only slowly moving through space with slow momentum?
[/quote]That really is not an issue...Look at a star map for mass effect and you'll see how close the home worlds of all the races are together. Also, they can make live ships for the trip. The turian can take some of the quarians food with there live ships as well. The lonly race thats having a super long trip home is the quarians.

[The Angry One]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Relays are bottlenecks and predictable avenues. You can set up defences around them and block those who you don't want to pass. Hell, part of Arcturus Station's purpose was to be a home for the Arcturus fleet, to block any hostile forces heading to Earth.

.....Relay don't work the way you think... Ship landing throw one have a vast range of drop zones. They really can be defended they way you think.

Yes they can, because that's what the 1st fleet did at Sol. Of course since this was against Reapers this is was a damn stupid idea.

The 1st fleet was around earth and they were wiped out.

During the Reaper invasion in 2186, the First Fleet is stationed near the Charon Relay.
By the time Admiral Hackett ordered a retreat, the fleet had been cut
in half. Commanding Admiral Ines Lindholm made the painful decision to
use a tenth of the fleet's remaining vessels as cover so the remainder
could escape. Her gamble paid off, as the First Fleet limped out of the
relay to rally with the rest of the Alliance forces on the run.

[LiarasShield]

back on point though we don't truely know if any of the options the catalyst offers really helps shepard or not in most of them it appears not to be so but the whole thing is that the reapers have been controled by the catalyst has destroyed millions of billions of lifes because the catalyst told the reapers to do so


Were gonna protect you from synthetics haha just kidding go kill them geth and the reapers who have become my personal toys

What?


And then my force being killed in space while I talk with you each choice potentially not helping me or potentially only helping the enemy who I came to destroy to get even back from them nearly destroying the galaxy U_U

[LiarasShield]

xsdob wrote...

No discussion here, just rage, rage, and more rage for everybody.

Now you're not seeking to have a decent discussion but trying to provoke anger please stop

[dreman9999]

Vigilant111 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

The whole point though is I can't trust the being who has nearly destroyed the entire galaxy and msot of our earth with the reapers

Then you're trying tell me that you're protecting us from synthetics but then you kill us with the geth and the reapers at heart are at least party synthetic and yet instead of shutting the other synthetics down you just keep killing us or harvesting us

And people the possiability of control even though I don't think it is possiable or makes any sense if shepard loses everything she or he has then he or she might end up being a twisted or as warped as the catalyst that came before him or her and would only contine the cycle of endless destruction with the reapers this really isn't a paragon option despite it being blue

Unfortunately some people nowadays think the reapers have a higher purpose that organics cannot comprehend

No one seem to answer me this question: why don't the reapers dedicate themselves to destroying the synthetics that get out of control

Becaues synthetics arn't the promblem...The nature of organics are.
Synthetics only attack when defending themselves or commanded to by their controler.
Organics force synthetic to be hostile by attacking anf causing conflict first. That why the reapers are trying to force change on organics.

[Wulfram]

There is a wide range of "drop zone" coming out of Mass Relays, but Mass Effect space battles are supposed to take place at huge ranges anyway - in the codex anyway, the cinematics have always ignored this - so that doesn't really matter all that much.

[dreman9999]

The Angry One wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Relays are bottlenecks and predictable avenues. You can set up defences around them and block those who you don't want to pass. Hell, part of Arcturus Station's purpose was to be a home for the Arcturus fleet, to block any hostile forces heading to Earth.

.....Relay don't work the way you think... Ship landing throw one have a vast range of drop zones. They really can be defended they way you think.

Yes they can, because that's what the 1st fleet did at Sol. Of course since this was against Reapers this is was a damn stupid idea.

The 1st fleet was around earth and they were wiped out.

During the Reaper invasion in 2186, the First Fleet is stationed near the Charon Relay.
By the time Admiral Hackett ordered a retreat, the fleet had been cut
in half. Commanding Admiral Ines Lindholm made the painful decision to
use a tenth of the fleet's remaining vessels as cover so the remainder
could escape. Her gamble paid off, as the First Fleet limped out of the
relay to rally with the rest of the Alliance forces on the run.

Note that it failded horribly...

[KingZayd]

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

A car is limitted by gravity so it will slow down. A space ship is not because space has little gravity and on resistance being a void.

Unless physics changed in the furture(And if it did, god help us) An object in motion stays in motion till it reached and equal of opposite force.
Momentum will work because of the lack of gravity(aka force) in space.

That's not what he meant.

I think you'll find cars are limited by friction rather than gravity. Yes the frictional force in the case of the car is proportional to the gravitational force pushing it down onto the rough surface, but it is not gravity itself that does it.

In space the dust is diffuse, so you'd expect the resistive force to be small, and indeed it would be if travelling at lofrw speeds. But at high speeds, frictional forces would increase ( proportional to velocity^2), which means the power to overcome it would be proportional to velocity^3 (P=Fv)

Modifié par KingZayd, 08 juin 2012 - 06:11 .

[LiarasShield]

I just don't like the ending because I simply can't trust the catalyst because he controls the reapers to kill us doesn't really protect us from synthetics but has them kill us instead and then he kills our forces inspace while we talk to them it is more then enough to give me reasons why I don't like his forced railroaded decisions also my second thread touches more deeply and the destroy, control and synthesis

[dreman9999]

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

A car is limitted by gravity so it will slow down. A space ship is not because space has little gravity and on resistance being a void.

Unless physics changed in the furture(And if it did, god help us) An object in motion stays in motion till it reached and equal of opposite force.
Momentum will work because of the lack of gravity(aka force) in space.

That's not what he meant. You need to manoeuvre at some point, and space isn't empty, there a lot of things that could slow you down, take you out of trayectory, or simply make you crash.

And At time like that you can. Stopping is the real issue in space travel but if you hopping fron system to system using gas giants to refuel....That still not an issue. You just set the stop to a sytem with a gas giant.

[mauro2222]

Ignore me

Modifié par mauro2222, 08 juin 2012 - 06:10 .

[The Angry One]

dreman9999 wrote...

Note that it failded horribly...

It failed horribly because it was a single fleet vs. several dozen capital ships. The tactic itself was sound. Just not for an unknown force, or Reapers.
Because everybody except the Turians forgot what scouting means.

Modifié par The Angry One, 08 juin 2012 - 06:11 .

[dreman9999]

KingZayd wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

A car is limitted by gravity so it will slow down. A space ship is not because space has little gravity and on resistance being a void.

Unless physics changed in the furture(And if it did, god help us) An object in motion stays in motion till it reached and equal of opposite force.
Momentum will work because of the lack of gravity(aka force) in space.

That's not what he meant.

I think you'll find cars are limited by friction rather than gravity. Yes the frictional force in the case of the car is proportional to the gravitational force pushing it down onto the rough surface, but it is not just gravity that does it.

In space the dust is diffuse, so you'd expect the resistive force to be small, and indeed it would be if travelling at lofrw speeds. But at high speeds, frictional forces would increase ( proportional to velocity^2), which means the power to overcome it would be proportional to velocity^3 (P=Fv)

As I said...Mometum would work.

[mauro2222]

dreman9999 wrote...

And At time like that you can. Stopping is the real issue in space travel but if you hopping fron system to system using gas giants to refuel....That still not an issue. You just set the stop to a sytem with a gas giant.

What the...? Gas giants are used to discharge the core, not to refuel.... And you have to find such system.
You still ignore the fact that you need to manouvre at some point, and in fact, you just added one more problem, stopping. How do you stop or turn when you don't have fuel?

Modifié par mauro2222, 08 juin 2012 - 06:12 .

[KingZayd]

dreman9999 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

A car is limitted by gravity so it will slow down. A space ship is not because space has little gravity and on resistance being a void.

Unless physics changed in the furture(And if it did, god help us) An object in motion stays in motion till it reached and equal of opposite force.
Momentum will work because of the lack of gravity(aka force) in space.

That's not what he meant.

I think you'll find cars are limited by friction rather than gravity. Yes the frictional force in the case of the car is proportional to the gravitational force pushing it down onto the rough surface, but it is not just gravity that does it.

In space the dust is diffuse, so you'd expect the resistive force to be small, and indeed it would be if travelling at lofrw speeds. But at high speeds, frictional forces would increase ( proportional to velocity^2), which means the power to overcome it would be proportional to velocity^3 (P=Fv)

As I said...Mometum would work.

As i said, no it wouldn't, because this resisitive force would be constantly taking your momentum away.

[Vigilant111]

Forget about the relays, it is time to think about how to use harbingers as a means to travel

[The Angry One]

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

And At time like that you can. Stopping is the real issue in space travel but if you hopping fron system to system using gas giants to refuel....That still not an issue. You just set the stop to a sytem with a gas giant.

What the...? Gas giants are used to discharge the core, not to refuel.... And you have to find such system.

Gas giants can be used for fuel, IF you construct dedicated orbital stations for this purpose.

[MadCat221]

Actually, gas giants are sources of Helium-3, which is used for more economical civilian-grade thrusters. Military-grade thrusters use antiprotons for fuel.

In any case, it's still restrictive due to the sheer amount of time needed to traverse distances formerly handled by the mass relays.  Additionally, helium-3 refueling is made economical by there being infrastructure to handle it.  A ship having to lug around its helium-3 fuel refining system would be inefficient.

Modifié par MadCat221, 08 juin 2012 - 06:13 .

[dreman9999]

The Angry One wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Note that it failded horribly...

It failed horribly because it was a single fleet vs. several dozen capital ships. The tactic itself was sound.

Note that the turians did that too and if failed horribly.
Note that the reapers can also flood the relay first with occoluses and take out any fleet there way before they arrive.

Point is....It would not work because of the reapers horde tactics.

[mauro2222]

The Angry One wrote...

Gas giants can be used for fuel, IF you construct dedicated orbital stations for this purpose.

Using a fuel station to refuel is rather different than sucking fuel out of a planet

[LiarasShield]

Still can't see why so many seem to care for the catalyst when hes controling the monsters destroying our galaxy and also used harbinger to fry your forces on the run to the citadel nearly destroying the entire galaxy synthetic issue being said over a million times already seeing my forces being blown apart by his reapers and then trying to talk to him or accepting his 3 railroaded decisions which look like they really don't help any other then the fact that maybe the reapers go boom or fly away

[dreman9999]

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

And At time like that you can. Stopping is the real issue in space travel but if you hopping fron system to system using gas giants to refuel....That still not an issue. You just set the stop to a sytem with a gas giant.

What the...? Gas giants are used to discharge the core, not to refuel.... And you have to find such system.
You still ignore the fact that you need to manouvre at some point, and in fact, you just added one more problem, stopping. How do you stop or turn when you don't have fuel?

Helium-3 is used as fuel...That found in gas giants. Why do you this a fuel station in ME2 and ME3 is always by a gas giant?
Also, reaper core don't need to discharge.