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[dreman9999]

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

A car is limitted by gravity so it will slow down. A space ship is not because space has little gravity and on resistance being a void.

Unless physics changed in the furture(And if it did, god help us) An object in motion stays in motion till it reached and equal of opposite force.
Momentum will work because of the lack of gravity(aka force) in space.

That's not what he meant.

I think you'll find cars are limited by friction rather than gravity. Yes the frictional force in the case of the car is proportional to the gravitational force pushing it down onto the rough surface, but it is not just gravity that does it.

In space the dust is diffuse, so you'd expect the resistive force to be small, and indeed it would be if travelling at lofrw speeds. But at high speeds, frictional forces would increase ( proportional to velocity^2), which means the power to overcome it would be proportional to velocity^3 (P=Fv)

As I said...Mometum would work.

As i said, no it wouldn't, because this resisitive force would be constantly taking your momentum away.

But space has a vastly low level of resistive force. If it washigh enough tostop momentom likethe way you think it does....We would not have comets.

[mauro2222]

dreman9999 wrote...

Helium-3 is used as fuel...That found in gas giants. Why do you this a fuel station in ME2 and ME3 is always by a gas giant?
Also, reaper core don't need to discharge.

Oh, reapers are the standar ship in the galaxy?

And you need facilities to refuel, facilites that don't exist in every system. Or do you forget that just 1% of the galaxy has been explored, only the systems next to a mass relay.

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Note that it failded horribly...

It failed horribly because it was a single fleet vs. several dozen capital ships. The tactic itself was sound.

Note that the turians did that too and if failed horribly.

They did not. 

Note that the reapers can also flood the relay first with occoluses and take out any fleet there way before they arrive.

Occuli? 

Woopee, fragile little fighters that can be countered by GARDIAN systems and opposing fighters. 

Point is....It would not work because of the reapers horde tactics.

It wouldn't work because you can't predict where the Reapers are going to appear. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 08 juin 2012 - 06:21 .

[dreman9999]

mauro2222 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Gas giants can be used for fuel, IF you construct dedicated orbital stations for this purpose.

Using a fuel station to refuel is rather different than sucking fuel out of a planet

If you have the fuel station on the ship...It would not be a problem.

[Redbelle]

I think the problem with trusting the Cat is we have no idea what his starting motivation is. He claims to want to protect Orgs from Synth's. Ok, lets start there.

The first cycle. How did Reapers come into being. If we take the Cat's mission statement as an indicator then the Reapers were a response to some Rise of The Machine day of reckoning.

Still doesn't explain how the Reapers came about, I mean, they are the harvested goo sacks of an extinct species and who's going to join the goo queue for that? Certanly not willingly. But hang on. Hasn't there been a plot device in 3 games that shows ppl doing things that they would not normally do? Indoctrination, I think you may have alot to answer for.

Maybe not. Maybe everyone in the first cycle thought being a Reaper would come with a huge benefits package, but I personally doubt it. Anyway, in the first cycle advanced races come up with Synth's, who go a bit nuts, and utterly outclass the orgs leading to Reapers being designed. Maybe as a hail mary saving throw, or the Orgs were on their way out and it was a last ditch effort revenge thing.

The Reaper mandate however is clear. Save the Orgs, destroy the Synth's, destroy anything that may result in more Synth's. Waaaaait a minute! Synth's come from Orgs and Reapers are supposed to save the Org's!?!? This is starting to sound like the 3 rules of robotics which were designed to protect humans from robots till the robots figured out that by taking control of us would save more of us by preventing wars and stuff!

I think the Reaper rules of saving Org's from Synth's may be like the logic used for the 3 rules. It was designed to do one thing. But creative reinterpretation to achieve a better result by breaking the letter of those rules and following the spirit of those rules via a different methodology is a viable alternative to the 'Cat is lying' argument.

Anyway, I'm just throwing this idea into the pool to see if it has the legs to sink or swim.

Modifié par Redbelle, 08 juin 2012 - 06:19 .

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...
But space has a vastly low level of resistive force. If it washigh enough tostop momentom likethe way you think it does....We would not have comets.

You realize ships need to slow down, right? 

You realize that going at any meaningful speed requires fuel, right? 

[mauro2222]

dreman9999 wrote...

But space has a vastly low level of resistive force. If it washigh enough tostop momentom likethe way you think it does....We would not have comets.

Gravity and collisions are what speeds them up and the expulsion of gases.

[LiarasShield]

ah but atlas I guess trying to hope that some people might see why this might be issue is becoming energy draining U_U

[dreman9999]

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Helium-3 is used as fuel...That found in gas giants. Why do you this a fuel station in ME2 and ME3 is always by a gas giant?
Also, reaper core don't need to discharge.

Oh, reapers are the standar ship in the galaxy?

And you need facilities to refuel, facilites that don't exist in every system. Or do you forget that just 1% of the galaxy has been explored, only the systems next to a mass relay.

1. After the war there planty of reaper cores left in the galexy for the allied fleet to use.
2. The ship can't have a refinatry built into it?

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Gas giants can be used for fuel, IF you construct dedicated orbital stations for this purpose.

Using a fuel station to refuel is rather different than sucking fuel out of a planet

If you have the fuel station on the ship...It would not be a problem.

...................


Why can't you see the problem with that? 

Transporting fuel requires more fuel. 

[mauro2222]

dreman9999 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Gas giants can be used for fuel, IF you construct dedicated orbital stations for this purpose.

Using a fuel station to refuel is rather different than sucking fuel out of a planet

If you have the fuel station on the ship...It would not be a problem.

And when do you plan to arrive? in this century or in the next millennium?

[LiarasShield]

now it has become a battle about fuel now i'm guessing lol

[Wulfram]

The Angry One wrote...

Gas giants can be used for fuel, IF you construct dedicated orbital stations for this purpose.

""skimmer ships" that can gather hydrogen and oxygen from anywhere in the universe" are mentioned in the codex.

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
But space has a vastly low level of resistive force. If it washigh enough tostop momentom likethe way you think it does....We would not have comets.

You realize ships need to slow down, right? 

You realize that going at any meaningful speed requires fuel, right? 

Yes. Also starting  and stopping does not use up all the fuel. We can start at one point with a live ship with a refinery build into it...keep going on a directed path to a system with gas giant . Refuel and then hop to the next system.

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
But space has a vastly low level of resistive force. If it washigh enough tostop momentom likethe way you think it does....We would not have comets.

You realize ships need to slow down, right? 

You realize that going at any meaningful speed requires fuel, right? 

Yes. Also starting  and stopping does not use up all the fuel. We can start at one point with a live ship with a refinery build into it...keep going on a directed path to a system with gas giant . Refuel and then hop to the next system.

Now you've moved on to a completely different point. 

End of line.

[mauro2222]

Yes... you don't have time in mind when you write.

[The Angry One]

Wulfram wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Gas giants can be used for fuel, IF you construct dedicated orbital stations for this purpose.

""skimmer ships" that can gather hydrogen and oxygen from anywhere in the universe" are mentioned in the codex.

Which aren't terribly efficient methods for larger ships, otherwise there wouldn't be a need for orbital fuel gatherers seen in virtually every inhabited system with a gas giant.

[dreman9999]

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

But space has a vastly low level of resistive force. If it washigh enough tostop momentom likethe way you think it does....We would not have comets.

Gravity and collisions are what speeds them up and the expulsion of gases.

No....It's near by gravity...I just looked it up. It's just pure physics.

[KingZayd]

dreman9999 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

A car is limitted by gravity so it will slow down. A space ship is not because space has little gravity and on resistance being a void.

Unless physics changed in the furture(And if it did, god help us) An object in motion stays in motion till it reached and equal of opposite force.
Momentum will work because of the lack of gravity(aka force) in space.

That's not what he meant.

I think you'll find cars are limited by friction rather than gravity. Yes the frictional force in the case of the car is proportional to the gravitational force pushing it down onto the rough surface, but it is not just gravity that does it.

In space the dust is diffuse, so you'd expect the resistive force to be small, and indeed it would be if travelling at lofrw speeds. But at high speeds, frictional forces would increase ( proportional to velocity^2), which means the power to overcome it would be proportional to velocity^3 (P=Fv)

As I said...Mometum would work.

As i said, no it wouldn't, because this resisitive force would be constantly taking your momentum away.

But space has a vastly low level of resistive force. If it washigh enough tostop momentom likethe way you think it does....We would not have comets.

comets aren't travelling at FTL, nor do they have mass effect drives lowering their mass

FTL

[wright1978]

Redbelle wrote...

The first cycle. How did Reapers come into being. If we take the Cat's mission statement as an indicator then the Reapers were a response to some Rise of The Machine day of reckoning.

Still doesn't explain how the Reapers came about, I mean, they are the harvested goo sacks of an extinct species and who's going to join the goo queue for that? Certanly not willingly. But hang on. Hasn't there been a plot device in 3 games that shows ppl doing things that they would not normally do? Indoctrination, I think you may have alot to answer for.

Maybe not. Maybe everyone in the first cycle thought being a Reaper would come with a huge benefits package, but I personally doubt it. Anyway, in the first cycle advanced races come up with Synth's, who go a bit nuts, and utterly outclass the orgs leading to Reapers being designed. Maybe as a hail mary saving throw, or the Orgs were on their way out and it was a last ditch effort revenge thing.

Yeah my personal theory is that  Catalyst is a religious cult leader. He came up with the nutty idealogical theory that created will destroy creators. Gained a following and then massacred the rest of the galaxy that didn't follow him to create first reapers. So basically a madman who has gained ability to commit galactic genocide.

[mauro2222]

Wulfram wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Gas giants can be used for fuel, IF you construct dedicated orbital stations for this purpose.

""skimmer ships" that can gather hydrogen and oxygen from anywhere in the universe" are mentioned in the codex.

It's used for fighter crafts... bigger ships don't have Helios engines.

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Note that it failded horribly...

It failed horribly because it was a single fleet vs. several dozen capital ships. The tactic itself was sound.

Note that the turians did that too and if failed horribly.

They did not. 

Note that the reapers can also flood the relay first with occoluses and take out any fleet there way before they arrive.

Occuli? 

Woopee, fragile little fighters that can be countered by GARDIAN systems and opposing fighters. 

Point is....It would not work because of the reapers horde tactics.

It wouldn't work because you can't predict where the Reapers are going to appear. 

Yes, Occuli that has endless number and are in such a vast number that not all the fighters and gardian systems can take on at once can take can take out a fleet. Did youmissed the part about reapers using horde tactic as there main weopn in direct assult...It's the reason they are winning.

[mauro2222]

dreman9999 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

But space has a vastly low level of resistive force. If it washigh enough tostop momentom likethe way you think it does....We would not have comets.

Gravity and collisions are what speeds them up and the expulsion of gases.

No....It's near by gravity...I just looked it up. It's just pure physics.

... what's your point? it's exactly what I said, or do you actually thought that their own gravity speeds them up?

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...
Yes, Occuli that has endless number and are in such a vast number that not all the fighters and gardian systems can take on at once can take can take out a fleet.

Complete conjecture. 

Did youmissed the part about reapers using horde tactic as there main weopn in direct assult...It's the reason they are winning.

Evidently, I did. 

Most likely because this plot point does not exist. 

They us overwhelming force, not 'horde tactics'. There are many reasons to contribute to the Reapers winning, this is one, but there are many others. 

But obviously, they aren't that successful. Just consult Galactic Readiness for more information. 

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Gas giants can be used for fuel, IF you construct dedicated orbital stations for this purpose.

Using a fuel station to refuel is rather different than sucking fuel out of a planet

If you have the fuel station on the ship...It would not be a problem.

...................


Why can't you see the problem with that? 

Transporting fuel requires more fuel. 

1. The fuel station is a refinary,
2. Contiued use of fuel to keep momentum is only a case with vichiles in heavier graivties....Space have little gravity so it won't be a problem out side of starting and stopping.