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[SubAstris]

Opsrbest wrote...

SubAstris wrote...
His/her mother could have been good if she had been established as a character already in ME3. If they chose Shepard's mother as the form, the audience would want to know about Shepard's mother backstory as well as what the Catalyst is saying which would distract from the matter at hand . Taking the form of the child gets around that problem.

Well obviously with the current ending it doesn't work. It would suffer from the same issues as the child does now.

That's the only thing BW can work with, unless they insert something big involving Shepard's mother in main bulk of ME3 and rewrite the story. I personally don't have a massive problem with the use of child and think it is probably the best character they could have used for the role

[Redbelle]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. Build the live ships.

Sure. 

2. Set a system of growing food.

That's what Mass Effect live-ships are for, nice one, your absolute theoretical and non-reasoned solution is actually relatively sane for now. 

3. Plan the flight paths via qec.

QEC with who? 

People along the way? 

There aren't any. Clusters are months and years apart. 

4.Lauch ships and matating speed with mometum.

So you like the prospect of the journey taking tens of thousands of years? 

Providing everyone doesn't die in the attempt by exposure to the afore mentioned radiation. 

5.refuel on  flight paths with ship refinery and gas giants.

Possible. 

6. Get home in a decade with the majority of the races.(Qurians taking way longer and may not even try to go home.)

Conjecture. 

<Facepalm> Dammit, I completely forgot about the world ships. The Quarians can manufacture their own food through production and/or recycling..........I'm not touching the recycling process.....

Anyway the Turians would be ok, probably, they are Dextro like the Quarians. And they must be able to feed the numbers of Dextro's (provided enough world ships survived) as I can't see the Quarian military taking all the Quarians to Earth after getting there home world back.......

Unless your one of the ones who sacrificed them for the Geth!

[Grimwick]

The mother really wouldn't work to well for the Earth back story.

My canon Shep is an orphan who never knew his/her parents so having his/her mother appear would be pointless.

[Redbelle]

Wulfram wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

It's used for fighter crafts... bigger ships don't have Helios engines.

The Normandy does.  I don't see any reason why any ship shouldn't.  It's just a question of providing thrust.

Or they could look into Ion drives.  Trading slow acceleration for endurance starts to look attractive when you're going for weeks or months.

Normandy gets away with it by being able to lower it's mass further than any other ship in the fleet.

[dreman9999]

LiarasShield wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. The fuel station is a refinary,

Which requires fuel to transport. 

You also said nothing about it being a refinery, you implied it was a massive tanker.

2. Contiued use of fuel to keep momentum is only a case with vichiles in heavier graivties....Space have little gravity so it won't be a problem out side of starting and stopping.

Which shows me you don't understand what you're talking about.

Ships lock their destinations, accelerate to the midpoint, which requires the use constant fuel, and then decelerate to the end, which likewise takes constant fuel consumption.

The FTL effect is maintained by a constant use of fuel to reduce mass. Two problems arise. One, accelerating to FTL then stopping the fuel input causes the ship to slow down to sub-light speeds, which makes interstellar travel impossible. Two, accelerating to FTL and then using the effect of momentum to conserve fuel, causes lethal Cherenkov's radiation to be released.

Do you even understand how mometum is space even works? You don't need to maintain mometum inspace because it's vastly low gravity. Only starting and stoping is an issue.

The runing out of food and resources would ultimately end up being a issue espically for the quarians since they usually send their young on piligrmages to get resources for the flotilla because they don't have that much and have been able to barely survive as it is with the reapers devastating mostly the entire galaxy it will make it extremely hard to find good resources or any real decent resources that have been damaged to keep them going or keep up food supplies

1. They can use all the refuge from the battle to use as recourses.
2. They can makelive ships for each race to get home.
3.The asari, quarians, krogan, hannar, elchor, volius, and dell can grow human food in the live ships.
The turians can us and grow  quarian food if thequarians are still alive.

Resourses is not a problem.

[KingZayd]

mauro2222 wrote...

This guy doesn't get it. There is no such thing as FTL engines, the eezo core reduces the mass of the ship allowing it to go at FTL speeds, the eezo core needs to be running during all the trip.

The eezo core and the engines consume the fuel. If you turn off the eezo core, the ship will automatically have a higher mass, reducing the speed and killing everybody aboard.

actually you have to create an "FTL field" around the ship, where the speed of light is increased, so that you can accelerate above the speed of light (approximately 3x10^8 m/s) without encountering the infinite mass problem due to special relativity.

[_aLucidMind_]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. They can use all the refuge from the battle to use as recourses.
2. They can makelive ships for each race to get home.
3.The asari, quarians, krogan, hannar, elchor, volius, and dell can grow human food in the live ships.
The turians can us and grow  quarian food if thequarians are still alive.

Resourses is not a problem.

I doubt the Turian, Elcor, Drell, Krogan, or any other armies brought seeds needed to grow plants that are edible for them or cattle. The last thing a soldier thinks about gathering before jumping into the cockpit is "better take some carrot seeds so I have something to eat in case my commanding officer gets us stranded". So I doubt they would be able to grow their own food or anything.

Modifié par _aLucidMind_, 08 juin 2012 - 07:03 .

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Do you even understand how mometum is space even works? You don't need to maintain mometum inspace because it's vastly low gravity. Only starting and stoping is an issue.

It's nice to see you ignore everything I just said. 

I KNOW HOW F*CKING MOMENTUM WORKS. 

Using it as a means of travel is not possible for the two reasons I stated previously. Read them again. 

You complety missed the fact the flt don't need to be mantain constatly.

DERP. 

You do need to maintain it, that's my point.

Your in space. Only the start and stop is an issue..
A ship can go into flt, drop it's feild and stay at ftl. It need no constant use of fuel.

FTL DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

GOODNIGHT. 

1. No you don't.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Helium-3 

Helium-3 engine are used for propultion...Not mass effect drives. The drive areused to reduce mass, not propel the ships.
The mass effect drives are electic and use no helium-3.

[Wulfram]

Redbelle wrote...

Normandy gets away with it by being able to lower it's mass further than any other ship in the fleet.

If so, that'll effect the acceleration, but it won't effect the general practicality.

We're talking about long range transportation here, we don't need Normandy level performance.

[dreman9999]

_aLucidMind_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. They can use all the refuge from the battle to use as recourses.
2. They can makelive ships for each race to get home.
3.The asari, quarians, krogan, hannar, elchor, volius, and dell can grow human food in the live ships.
The turians can us and grow  quarian food if thequarians are still alive.

Resourses is not a problem.

I doubt the Turian, Elcor, Drell, Krogan, or any other armies brought seeds needed to grow plants that are edible for them or cattle. So I doubt they would be able to grow their own food or anything.

That why they would build live ships...

[_aLucidMind_]

dreman9999 wrote...

_aLucidMind_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. They can use all the refuge from the battle to use as recourses.
2. They can makelive ships for each race to get home.
3.The asari, quarians, krogan, hannar, elchor, volius, and dell can grow human food in the live ships.
The turians can us and grow  quarian food if thequarians are still alive.

Resourses is not a problem.

I doubt the Turian, Elcor, Drell, Krogan, or any other armies brought seeds needed to grow plants that are edible for them or cattle. So I doubt they would be able to grow their own food or anything.

That why they would build live ships...

So they would build live ships to grow vegetables that they cannot grow because they do not have the seeds native to their world to grow them?

[KingZayd]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Do you even understand how mometum is space even works? You don't need to maintain mometum inspace because it's vastly low gravity. Only starting and stoping is an issue.

It's nice to see you ignore everything I just said. 

I KNOW HOW F*CKING MOMENTUM WORKS. 

Using it as a means of travel is not possible for the two reasons I stated previously. Read them again. 

You complety missed the fact the flt don't need to be mantain constatly.

DERP. 

You do need to maintain it, that's my point.

Your in space. Only the start and stop is an issue..
A ship can go into flt, drop it's feild and stay at ftl. It need no constant use of fuel.

FTL DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

GOODNIGHT. 

1. No you don't.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Helium-3 

Helium-3 engine are used for propultion...Not mass effect drives. The drive areused to reduce mass, not propel the ships.
The mass effect drives are electic and use no helium-3.

And where do you think the electricity comes from? You can't rely on the solar power for interstellar travel you know.. the amount of sunlight you're going to get on the journey isn't very useful

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Damn. Taking heavy casualties. Man down.

Alrighty then. The aftermath is going to be more known in August... we have to wait.

* if the mass relays still destroyed we is fubared. Turians and Quarians set up dextro colony on Mars. Asari settle in northern CA and Oregon. Salarians settle somewhere in Central America. Krogan can have the Outback since parts of Tuchanka look like it (they have no females with them so..). Massive clean up of earth to take a century or so. Essentially looks like Borderlands. Research projects using dead reapers. FTL home is impractical.

* if mass relays disabled, reactivate and remap relays. Get home.

Starbrat doesn't matter. I say this: side with the Quarians on Rannoch. It makes the decision at the end much easier. Destroy the ****ers. I will not sacrifice the soul of my species.

Yes Shepard is a Mary Sue... until the end... then becomes a who am I?

[dreman9999]

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Do you even understand how mometum is space even works? You don't need to maintain mometum inspace because it's vastly low gravity. Only starting and stoping is an issue.

It's nice to see you ignore everything I just said. 

I KNOW HOW F*CKING MOMENTUM WORKS. 

Using it as a means of travel is not possible for the two reasons I stated previously. Read them again. 

You complety missed the fact the flt don't need to be mantain constatly.

DERP. 

You do need to maintain it, that's my point.

Your in space. Only the start and stop is an issue..
A ship can go into flt, drop it's feild and stay at ftl. It need no constant use of fuel.

FTL DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

GOODNIGHT. 

1. No you don't.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Helium-3 

Helium-3 engine are used for propultion...Not mass effect drives. The drive areused to reduce mass, not propel the ships.
The mass effect drives are electic and use no helium-3.

And where do you think the electricity comes from? You can't rely on the solar power for interstellar travel you know.. the amount of sunlight you're going to get on the journey isn't very useful

You and I both know how easy electrictiy can be mantained. Their many not fuel ways to get electricity with out sunlight.

Modifié par dreman9999, 08 juin 2012 - 07:13 .

[dreman9999]

_aLucidMind_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

_aLucidMind_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. They can use all the refuge from the battle to use as recourses.
2. They can makelive ships for each race to get home.
3.The asari, quarians, krogan, hannar, elchor, volius, and dell can grow human food in the live ships.
The turians can us and grow  quarian food if thequarians are still alive.

Resourses is not a problem.

I doubt the Turian, Elcor, Drell, Krogan, or any other armies brought seeds needed to grow plants that are edible for them or cattle. So I doubt they would be able to grow their own food or anything.

That why they would build live ships...

So they would build live ships to grow vegetables that they cannot grow because they do not have the seeds native to their world to grow them?

Elcor, drell, asari and krogan can eat human food with no problem.
Turians can eat quarians food like quarians can eat turian food.

This is an non-issue.

[Punisher cork]

 OP I do agree with what you say. Another point I felt annoyed by was when the Catalyst said, "you can kill all synthetic life if you want to, including the geth." He says it like, "oh you can burn down your house if you want to, then you'll never pay house payments again." 
For my playthrough, I was tolerant of the geth, thought they'd be a little misunderstood, I can attest, even when helping the quarians they can't seem to avoid shooting you in the foot. 
So when I killed the reapers, I don't believe that the geth and EDI died. I think they are alive and fine, and just the reapers died. I dont' believe crazy ghost children. I don't listen to terrorists. I like the other points you brought up OP. 

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth...Look at a star map. The home worlds are way closer then you think...It will not take a any were near 1000 years.

Wow, you completely missed the point I tried to make. 

Traveling using momentum will always be done at sublight speeds.

That means it would take thousands of years to reach the next worthwhile location. 

[eye basher]

Screw what the catalyst says he want's one thing and i choose destroy everytime i just like to see **** blow up.

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth...Look at a star map. The home worlds are way closer then you think...It will not take a any were near 1000 years.

Wow, you completely missed the point I tried to make. 

Traveling using momentum will always be done at sublight speeds.

That means it would take thousands of years to reach the next worthwhile location. 

Have a read...
http://masseffect.wi...hips:_Thrusters 

Added, ftl drives are electrily powered...Not powered by helium-3 that powers thrusters. FLT drives require no fuel to run.

So, yes...Mometum can work.

[KingZayd]

dreman9999 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Do you even understand how mometum is space even works? You don't need to maintain mometum inspace because it's vastly low gravity. Only starting and stoping is an issue.

It's nice to see you ignore everything I just said. 

I KNOW HOW F*CKING MOMENTUM WORKS. 

Using it as a means of travel is not possible for the two reasons I stated previously. Read them again. 

You complety missed the fact the flt don't need to be mantain constatly.

DERP. 

You do need to maintain it, that's my point.

Your in space. Only the start and stop is an issue..
A ship can go into flt, drop it's feild and stay at ftl. It need no constant use of fuel.

FTL DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

GOODNIGHT. 

1. No you don't.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Helium-3 

Helium-3 engine are used for propultion...Not mass effect drives. The drive areused to reduce mass, not propel the ships.
The mass effect drives are electic and use no helium-3.

And where do you think the electricity comes from? You can't rely on the solar power for interstellar travel you know.. the amount of sunlight you're going to get on the journey isn't very useful

You and I both know how easy electrictiy can be mantained. Their many not fuel ways to get electricity with out sunlight.

Electricity maintained? Are you familiar with the second law of thermodynamics?
As for generating electricity, the most efficient way (apart from solar energy), per unit mass of "fuel" is nuclear fusion. And guess what? Helium-3 can be used in fusion! What are your suggestions for the  ways they can generate the electricity without using the Helium-3?

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. No you don't.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Helium-3 

Yes you f*cking do. 

http://masseffect.wi...e:_Drive_Charge


READ the codex.

That first passage is important. It references both points I made in a previous post which refute why using momentum to conserve fuel is not a viable possibility, because it causes the ship to return to sublight speeds and release deadly radiation.

Helium-3 engine are used for propultion...Not mass effect drives. The drive areused to reduce mass, not propel the ships.

Yes, which allows FTL. F*ck me, is is that difficult to understand?

The mass effect drives are electic and use no helium-3.

And electricity comes from nowhere right? The ship propels itself by magic, right?

WRONG.

The ship uses helium-3 to propel the ship at FTL speeds, as fuel for the thrusters. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 08 juin 2012 - 07:46 .

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth...Look at a star map. The home worlds are way closer then you think...It will not take a any were near 1000 years.

Wow, you completely missed the point I tried to make. 

Traveling using momentum will always be done at sublight speeds.

That means it would take thousands of years to reach the next worthwhile location. 

Have a read...
http://masseffect.wi...hips:_Thrusters 

Added, ftl drives are electrily powered...Not powered by helium-3 that powers thrusters. FLT drives require no fuel to run.

So, yes...Mometum can work.

So you ignored what I actually said, I see. 

Travelling using momentum will always be done at sublight speeds. 

That means it would take thousands of years to reach different locations. 

Oh, and as a secondary point, the Helium-3 page of the wiki does nothing to back your point. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 08 juin 2012 - 07:52 .

[KingZayd]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth...Look at a star map. The home worlds are way closer then you think...It will not take a any were near 1000 years.

Wow, you completely missed the point I tried to make. 

Traveling using momentum will always be done at sublight speeds.

That means it would take thousands of years to reach the next worthwhile location. 

Have a read...
http://masseffect.wi...hips:_Thrusters 

Added, ftl drives are electrily powered...Not powered by helium-3 that powers thrusters. FLT drives require no fuel to run.

So, yes...Mometum can work.

No momentum can't work as mentioned already, the resistance from the dust becomes significant at very high speeds, so you have to use fuel to maintain your momentum. You also have to maintain the FTL fields unless you want to die from Cherenkov radiation, and you're going to have to generate electricity to do that, for which you're probably going to have to use up more of that Helium-3. This means you're going to have to stop frequently to refuel, and not all those gas giants have fuel refineries there, so you're either going to have to stop and build them, you're going to develop some other way of collecting that fuel, or you're going to have to carry a whole lot more fuel to make up for it. THEN, you're going to have to make sure that your ship can manage to do FTL between clusters which are pretty far apart, and our current ships can't.

It's not impossible, but it's going to take a hell of a lot more than decade before they're ready to even start that journey.

Modifié par KingZayd, 08 juin 2012 - 07:51 .

[Redbelle]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Damn. Taking heavy casualties. Man down.

Alrighty then. The aftermath is going to be more known in August... we have to wait.

* if the mass relays still destroyed we is fubared. Turians and Quarians set up dextro colony on Mars. Asari settle in northern CA and Oregon. Salarians settle somewhere in Central America. Krogan can have the Outback since parts of Tuchanka look like it (they have no females with them so..). Massive clean up of earth to take a century or so. Essentially looks like Borderlands. Research projects using dead reapers. FTL home is impractical.

* if mass relays disabled, reactivate and remap relays. Get home.

Starbrat doesn't matter. I say this: side with the Quarians on Rannoch. It makes the decision at the end much easier. Destroy the ****ers. I will not sacrifice the soul of my species.

Yes Shepard is a Mary Sue... until the end... then becomes a who am I?

Can u imagine ME4 though? Instead of just humans we get to roll any race since they are all on Earth.

Someone has put forward some dialogue deleted from Vigil that stated firing the Crucible will start a dark age of 10,000yrs.......(I think the source was based on a written text but if anyone can shed more light on this I'd be grateful). So assuming these two events pan out we have an integrated human/alien cluture on Earth or the Sol system that cannot be found elsewhere, probably.

Ouch for the Krogans though. Maybe they can hump it through..... hump.... geddit......ged........I'll get my coat.

Modifié par Redbelle, 08 juin 2012 - 07:55 .