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[General User]

Given everything the Catalyst has done, you should approach everything it says with an attitude a deepest suspicion.

And, if you choose to completely disregard part or all of what it says, doing so would not be unreasonable.

Modifié par General User, 08 juin 2012 - 08:07 .

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. No you don't.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Helium-3 

Yes you f*cking do. 

http://masseffect.wi...e:_Drive_Charge


READ the codex.

That first passage is important. It references both points I made in a previous post which refute why using momentum to conserve fuel is not a viable possibility, because it causes the ship to return to sublight speeds and release deadly radiation.

Helium-3 engine are used for propultion...Not mass effect drives. The drive areused to reduce mass, not propel the ships.

Yes, which allows FTL. F*ck me, is is that difficult to understand?

The mass effect drives are electic and use no helium-3.

And electricity comes from nowhere right? The ship propels itself by magic, right?

WRONG.

The ship uses helium-3 to propel the ship at FTL speeds, as fuel for the thrusters. 

1.Nothing in that says helium-3isneed to power the ftl drive. Also, reaper cre don't need to didcharge and afterthe war...Plenty of them are left tobe used.

2.flt drive allown down propel the ship. It's just used to allow the ship to go to ftl. The thruster are what moves the ship...Get it.

3. I'm not say that. Remeber, the mass effect universe has self recharging batters (aka like the ones used in kinetic barriers.) The helium fuel would not be used to power the core.

What you not getting is that the thrusters and the ftl drive don't use the same fuel sourse and to stay in flt speeds the thruster are not need to to stay in ftl, the ftl drives are.

[dreman9999]

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth...Look at a star map. The home worlds are way closer then you think...It will not take a any were near 1000 years.

Wow, you completely missed the point I tried to make. 

Traveling using momentum will always be done at sublight speeds.

That means it would take thousands of years to reach the next worthwhile location. 

Have a read...
http://masseffect.wi...hips:_Thrusters 

Added, ftl drives are electrily powered...Not powered by helium-3 that powers thrusters. FLT drives require no fuel to run.

So, yes...Mometum can work.

No momentum can't work as mentioned already, the resistance from the dust becomes significant at very high speeds, so you have to use fuel to maintain your momentum. You also have to maintain the FTL fields unless you want to die from Cherenkov radiation, and you're going to have to generate electricity to do that, for which you're probably going to have to use up more of that Helium-3. This means you're going to have to stop frequently to refuel, and not all those gas giants have fuel refineries there, so you're either going to have to stop and build them, you're going to develop some other way of collecting that fuel, or you're going to have to carry a whole lot more fuel to make up for it. THEN, you're going to have to make sure that your ship can manage to do FTL between clusters which are pretty far apart, and our current ships can't.

It's not impossible, but it's going to take a hell of a lot more than decade before they're ready to even start that journey.

FTL drives are electic powered and don't  as thrus the same fuel sourse as thrusters...Also, kinetic barriers repeal the dust. If it did't the mass relays would not work.
Also, the mass effect univers have self recharging electric power sources.

Modifié par dreman9999, 08 juin 2012 - 08:13 .

[LiarasShield]

well if nothing does truly get resolved hopefully the good destroy ending could be indoctrination at least it makes shepard not give into the being controling the reapers

[dreman9999]

point to any thing in the codex that says ftl drives are powered by helium -3.

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...

What you not getting is that the thrusters and the ftl drive don't use the same fuel sourse and to stay in flt speeds the thruster are not need to to stay in ftl, the ftl drives are.

Yes they do, Helium -3.

It powers the fusion plant. The fusion plant powers the thrusters, and the FTL drive.

Fuel is always being consumed during flight. Once you stop using fuel, the ship drops out of FTL, and everyone dies. 

[General User]

I thought that it was the fusion reactors that provide the electricity for the mass effect drives.

In any case.  You need H3.  And Sol has the largest sources of H3 in Alliance space.

Modifié par General User, 08 juin 2012 - 08:22 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

But no one has considered one other possibility....

* Assembled on Earth and Mars we may have some of the greatest minds in the Galaxy. Granted some of them might be a bit insane (Daro Xen for example), but genius nonetheless.

* The Protheans had developed mass relays. It has also been suggested that the Asari might also have been able to build a mass relay.

* There is going to be a great incentive for certain races to get the hell home, and given the fact that Earth is a steaming pile right about at that time with refined eezo pollution all over the place, you're looking at an extinction event. Hence a population reduction. So you're probably going to want to get at least to the colonies. Incentive.

* Research: a joint Salarian/Turian/Human/Quarian/Asari research group might develop a self-contained mass effect drive for starships that allows interstellar travel over vast distances without the need for a mass relay. New tech evolved past the reapers. Optimism.

It follows: all technological advancement due to overcoming limitations. Need to get home. Limitation. Invent new drive.

Is this any more preposterous than FTL drive? No. Is this any more preposterous than Mass Relays themselves? No. They've used jump drives in numerous sci-fi novels. Any more preposterous than those? No.

And they could still call a sequel Mass Effect because they're using a Mass Effect field to power the the ship. There. I've done it. Optimism. Hope. Can anyone latch onto this?

[LiarasShield]

The collector base will always be my prime example where depending on you as the player everybody dies or everybody lives if people were able to choose between a sad bittersweet ending or a happy uplifting ending I think mostly everybody would have been satisfied

[KingZayd]

dreman9999 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth...Look at a star map. The home worlds are way closer then you think...It will not take a any were near 1000 years.

Wow, you completely missed the point I tried to make. 

Traveling using momentum will always be done at sublight speeds.

That means it would take thousands of years to reach the next worthwhile location. 

Have a read...
http://masseffect.wi...hips:_Thrusters 

Added, ftl drives are electrily powered...Not powered by helium-3 that powers thrusters. FLT drives require no fuel to run.

So, yes...Mometum can work.

No momentum can't work as mentioned already, the resistance from the dust becomes significant at very high speeds, so you have to use fuel to maintain your momentum. You also have to maintain the FTL fields unless you want to die from Cherenkov radiation, and you're going to have to generate electricity to do that, for which you're probably going to have to use up more of that Helium-3. This means you're going to have to stop frequently to refuel, and not all those gas giants have fuel refineries there, so you're either going to have to stop and build them, you're going to develop some other way of collecting that fuel, or you're going to have to carry a whole lot more fuel to make up for it. THEN, you're going to have to make sure that your ship can manage to do FTL between clusters which are pretty far apart, and our current ships can't.

It's not impossible, but it's going to take a hell of a lot more than decade before they're ready to even start that journey.

FTL drives are electic powered and don't  as thrus the same fuel sourse as thrusters...Also, kinetic barriers repeal the dust. If it did't the mass relays would not work.
Also, the mass effect univers have self recharging electric power sources.

Where's the electricty coming from? Please tell us.

As for the kinetic barriers repelling the dust? Newtons 3rd Law, the dust also pushes back at the ship, leading to.. resistance.

Mass relays create massless corridors of space. They don't have to push stuff away, they make it have approximately zero mass, so it's as if it isn't there at all.

Which self recharging electric power sources?

[KingZayd]

dreman9999 wrote...

point to any thing in the codex that says ftl drives are powered by helium -3.

Read through your list of war assets in the war room

And i agree they don't HAVE to be powered by Helium-3, but it's the sensible choice, and apparently that's what they use.

[LiarasShield]

well I hope you all are doing well

[KingZayd]

yeah..
How did we get onto FTL btw? Is that in any way relevant to your OP?

[WhiteKnyght]

ardias89 wrote...

I actually think the Catalyst reveals its true intention when it says the part about making ways for new life. But it doesnt matter neither pro-enders or anti-enders know what to take as bad writing or truth. The moment we have to speculate and assume is the moment that ending failed.

Not true, plenty of things have endings which are open for interpretation.

The ending of an anime called Code Geass was a lot like that. You saw Lelouch be killed, but the last moment  before it cut out implied a lot and left people wondering. Rather than rant and b!tch about it, people speculated and apparently had fun doing so.

The ending of Tales of the Abyss, they didn't reveal whether it was Luke, Asch, or some amalgam of the two, leaving people to speculate.

That might be the reason so many people hate ME3's ending. It's almost anime-like in its approach. The fact that I'm an anime fan might be part of the reason I'm not b1tching like all of you. Context means a lot in any genre of anime. You ignore context and you're just left going "wtf."

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 09 juin 2012 - 12:30 .

[LiarasShield]

KingZayd wrote...

yeah..
How did we get onto FTL btw? Is that in any way relevant to your OP?

I don't know we went from talking about the catalyst to  ezo cores and fuel rods lol O_O

Modifié par LiarasShield, 09 juin 2012 - 12:30 .

[LiarasShield]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

ardias89 wrote...

I actually think the Catalyst reveals its true intention when it says the part about making ways for new life. But it doesnt matter neither pro-enders or anti-enders know what to take as bad writing or truth. The moment we have to speculate and assume is the moment that ending failed.

Not true, plenty of things have endings which are open for interpretation.

The ending of an anime called Code Geass was a lot like that. You saw Lelouch be killed, but the last moment  before it cut out implied a lot and left people wondering. Rather than rant and b!tch about it, people speculated and apparently had fun doing so.

The ending of Tales of the Abyss, they didn't reveal whether it was Luke, Asch, or some amalgam of the two, leaving people to speculate.

That might be the reason so many people hate ME3's ending. It's almost anime-like in its approach. The fact that I'm an anime fan might be part of the reason I'm not b1tching like all of you. Context means a lot in any genre of anime. You ignore context and you're just left going "wtf."

I love gundam code geass blue gender dragoball z and many other animes I don't think you being a anime fan has anything to do with it lol

[Joe Del Toro]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

That might be the reason so many people hate ME3's ending. It's almost anime-like in its approach

This I can get behind.

The fact that I'm an anime fan might be part of the reason I'm not b1tching like all of you. Context means a lot in any genre of anime. You ignore context and you're just left going "wtf."

Man I love this guy. Even his avatar looks punchable, it's awesome.

Modifié par Joe Del Toro, 09 juin 2012 - 12:32 .

[LiarasShield]

so is he trying to imply that hes the only anime fan on bsn?

[Taboo]

Body dismorphsim always relates the truth well ladies and gentlemen.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Hold on. Hold on.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry. Plenty of films have WTF endings. This shows me how little you've ventured into the art world.

Ever see Hausu? That's Japanese. And that's CERTAINLY more WTF than any anime.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 09 juin 2012 - 12:35 .

[LiarasShield]

I don't know I guess he implying that has the only anime fan on bsn or something but what does anime have anything to do with mass effect or my thread topic lol O_O?

[Jenonax]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

That might be the reason so many people hate ME3's ending. It's almost anime-like in its approach

Oh what first comics and now anime?  

Stop throwing my favourite things down Walter's fail hole.  

You people are horrible!

[Hey]

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[Taboo]

I still haven't been able to take him seriously because he told me he chose Synthesis because it removed diversity and made everyone the same.

OH GOD WHY.

[KingZayd]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

ardias89 wrote...

I actually think the Catalyst reveals its true intention when it says the part about making ways for new life. But it doesnt matter neither pro-enders or anti-enders know what to take as bad writing or truth. The moment we have to speculate and assume is the moment that ending failed.

Not true, plenty of things have endings which are open for interpretation.

The ending of an anime called Code Geass was a lot like that. You saw Lelouch be killed, but the last moment  before it cut out implied a lot and left people wondering. Rather than rant and b!tch about it, people speculated and apparently had fun doing so.

The ending of Tales of the Abyss, they didn't reveal whether it was Luke, Asch, or some amalgam of the two, leaving people to speculate.

That might be the reason so many people hate ME3's ending. It's almost anime-like in its approach. The fact that I'm an anime fan might be part of the reason I'm not b1tching like all of you. Context means a lot in any genre of anime. You ignore context and you're just left going "wtf."

I like anime, but the problem I have with the literal interpretation of the ME3 ending is the amount of plot holes introduced, particularly concerning the events in ME1.

I haven't watched much sci-fi anime though.. only Cowboy Bebop and Noein.

[WhiteKnyght]

KingZayd wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

ardias89 wrote...

I actually think the Catalyst reveals its true intention when it says the part about making ways for new life. But it doesnt matter neither pro-enders or anti-enders know what to take as bad writing or truth. The moment we have to speculate and assume is the moment that ending failed.

Not true, plenty of things have endings which are open for interpretation.

The ending of an anime called Code Geass was a lot like that. You saw Lelouch be killed, but the last moment  before it cut out implied a lot and left people wondering. Rather than rant and b!tch about it, people speculated and apparently had fun doing so.

The ending of Tales of the Abyss, they didn't reveal whether it was Luke, Asch, or some amalgam of the two, leaving people to speculate.

That might be the reason so many people hate ME3's ending. It's almost anime-like in its approach. The fact that I'm an anime fan might be part of the reason I'm not b1tching like all of you. Context means a lot in any genre of anime. You ignore context and you're just left going "wtf."

I like anime, but the problem I have with the literal interpretation of the ME3 ending is the amount of plot holes introduced, particularly concerning the events in ME1.

I haven't watched much sci-fi anime though.. only Cowboy Bebop and Noein.

I saw no plot holes. Only an open conclusion to a game that was nothing but an ending. Cure or Sabotage, Quarians, Geth, or Peace, and Control, Destroy, or Merge are all drastically different outcomes for each scenario.

Leaving an ending open for player imagination is a stroke of genius. It's not Bioware's fault that players misunderstood the context behind it and jumped to the conclusion that the destruction of the relays blows up the galaxy no matter what, or that choosing anything but destroy is going to indoctrinate Shepard just because his half synthetic eyes glowed when they've done that more than once before.

It would have been worse if the game had ended with no reason for the Reaper's actions given. Preventing technological singularity from destroying all organic life is a geniune concern that had been in the galaxy for some time already. And the fact that the Reapers' master could realize there were more peaceful solutions than slaughter is a good way of showing that the Reapers aren't one dimensional villains. They can change too.

Also you should check out the Ghost in the Shell franchise. It's awesome.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 09 juin 2012 - 06:54 .